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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Oct 25, 2015 15:32:19 GMT
kept her on life support and eventually put her in private care? I haven't noticed any reports in a long time. I was wondering if any knew what had become of her?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 25, 2015 15:37:30 GMT
Teri Shaivo? I can't remember the spelling. Her husband eventually won in court and was allowed to let her pass away peacefully. He had a long-term girlfriend and I *think* they got married. (At least I hope they did). I will check and see if there is anything else. This was in Florida, right? ETA en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_caseIs this the one?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 25, 2015 15:39:09 GMT
Teri Shaivo? I can't remember the spelling. Her husband eventually won in court and was allowed to let her pass away peacefully. He had a long-term girlfriend and I *think* they got married. (At least I hope they did). I will check and see if there is anything else. This was in Florida, right? no it was a young girl who was in the hospital for surgery. Her family brought her ice cream even though she wasn't supposed to eat. Something happened and she ended up brain dead. Death certificate was issued, but the family would take her off life support. I believe a Catholic organization stepped in
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 25, 2015 15:42:53 GMT
Ah I remember her, too, but just vaguely. She was having her wisdom teeth taken out, right? Or tonsils?
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Post by magentapea on Oct 25, 2015 15:45:39 GMT
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 25, 2015 15:46:52 GMT
I was just thinking about this the other day. Here is a link to the facebook page that someone set up link. Here is the most recent article I found about her linkHi, you are linking right back to my post. (I don't know how you did that but show me ok? This is good info!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 15:47:26 GMT
Something that starts with a J and the last name is McMath. I ran into something a few weeks ago about her. According to her family she is still "alive" (via machines) and is as pretty as she ever was. But I don't think she has been seen by much of anyone outside of family. I couldn't tell if she was at home or in an institution being cared for.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 25, 2015 15:48:22 GMT
Wasn't she moved to somewhere like San Francisco or somewhere else in California?
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Post by GiantsFan on Oct 25, 2015 15:48:32 GMT
Her name is Jahi. It was somewhat local to me and there has been no mention for several months. The last I heard she was taken to an undisclosed location (east coast maybe) to a convalescent hospital or special home to care for her. They have a doctor who says shes alive (this doctor doesn't believe in brain death). And the parents are suing the hospital.
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Post by GiantsFan on Oct 25, 2015 15:49:08 GMT
Wasn't she moved to somewhere like San Francisco or somewhere else in California? It happened in Oakland, CA and she was moved to the east coast.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 25, 2015 15:50:42 GMT
Ok I knew *something* happened in California and Oakland is near SF right? She got moved to Chicago maybe?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 25, 2015 16:01:02 GMT
I just read up on. Her family just celebrated her 15th birthday. She continues to have a machine breathe for her and is fed through a tube. She has not changed at all. Her heart still beats with the medical help.
Her parents have sued and want her declared still alive. Some thinking on this is there is a cap for damages on a dead person, but not a live one. The court has or is thinking about throwing out part of the lawsuit because a dead person cannot sue.
Her family and supporters are still in huge denial. They praise God that she lives.
Her body has not deteriorated according to what I read.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on Oct 25, 2015 16:27:08 GMT
Thank you all. I couldn't remember her name.
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Post by tincin on Oct 25, 2015 16:53:43 GMT
A sad situation all around.
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Post by basketdiva on Oct 25, 2015 17:01:12 GMT
In the pictures, they always have a blanket up to her chin. It's almost like they are hiding the breathing tubes and want people to think she is breathing on her own.
It is a sad situation for all concerned.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 25, 2015 17:22:25 GMT
In the pictures, they always have a blanket up to her chin. It's almost like they are hiding the breathing tubes and want people to think she is breathing on her own. It is a sad situation for all concerned. and in many of the photos she has so wthing on her eyes, sunglasses, paper hearts, and other things.
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Post by disneypal on Oct 25, 2015 17:47:25 GMT
Of course none if us really know what we would do in that situation, but to me, at least, that is not "living". Her family say she us alive but if she were not on machines, she wouldn't be.
Just sad, all around
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Oct 25, 2015 19:03:36 GMT
Ok, so I went and read a little on the facebook page listed here. One post the mom says something in regards to people saying to take her over the vent but that there wasn't a vent in the picture and she was breathing on her own. Could the vent be in her trach? Then there was a post from some time back that said that she had started her period. Is that possible for someone to do if they are indeed brain dead?
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Post by melissa on Oct 25, 2015 19:13:42 GMT
I just went to research more on the case of Jahi McMath and found out she is living near here! Apparently, NJ law allows for patients to remain on life support if their religion does not recognize brain death.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 25, 2015 19:42:21 GMT
Of course none if us really know what we would do in that situation, but to me, at least, that is not "living". Her family say she us alive but if she were not on machines, she wouldn't be. Just sad, all around Actually, we do know what we are going to do (we being my family.) The Terri Shivo case was right next door to me and the majority of my family so we saw reports almost daily of the 'fighting.' We (my parents, brothers, sisters, etc) discussed our wishes in great detail in the event something like this happened to us. It is all written down in our wills and in our medical directives. It was horrible watching that family argue and not one single one of us wanted to leave our families responsible for having to make those types of decisions.
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Post by disneypal on Oct 25, 2015 20:23:41 GMT
Of course none if us really know what we would do in that situation, but to me, at least, that is not "living". Her family say she us alive but if she were not on machines, she wouldn't be. Just sad, all around Actually, we do know what we are going to do (we being my family.) The Terri Shivo case was right next door to me and the majority of my family so we saw reports almost daily of the 'fighting.' We (my parents, brothers, sisters, etc) discussed our wishes in great detail in the event something like this happened to us. It is all written down in our wills and in our medical directives. It was horrible watching that family argue and not one single one of us wanted to leave our families responsible for having to make those types of decisions. That is great - everyone should do this. Do you know, though, if a minor is allowed to have a living will/advance directive? I don't know for sure (in this case, the girl is a minor) so I don't know the laws about that.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 25, 2015 20:31:28 GMT
Actually, we do know what we are going to do (we being my family.) The Terri Shivo case was right next door to me and the majority of my family so we saw reports almost daily of the 'fighting.' We (my parents, brothers, sisters, etc) discussed our wishes in great detail in the event something like this happened to us. It is all written down in our wills and in our medical directives. It was horrible watching that family argue and not one single one of us wanted to leave our families responsible for having to make those types of decisions. That is great - everyone should do this. Do you know, though, if a minor is allowed to have a living will/advance directive? I don't know for sure (in this case, the girl is a minor) so I don't know the laws about that. You know, I don't know. My ex-husband and actually sat down and talked about it and decided what we would do if something happened to one of the boys so there wouldn't be a disagreement between the two of us if we had to make a decision like this. When the kids were little, they weren't included in medical decisions, but as they got older they were and while they may not have been legally able to have a say, we allowed them an extraordinary amount of freedom to make decisions about their own medical care. But I will also say that my ex and I don't argue at all about medical stuff-if one of feels strongly enough about something, we general go along with it. Don't parents make the decisions for their kids?
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Post by disneypal on Oct 25, 2015 20:38:26 GMT
That is great - everyone should do this. Do you know, though, if a minor is allowed to have a living will/advance directive? I don't know for sure (in this case, the girl is a minor) so I don't know the laws about that. You know, I don't know. My ex-husband and actually sat down and talked about it and decided what we would do if something happened to one of the boys so there wouldn't be a disagreement between the two of us if we had to make a decision like this. When the kids were little, they weren't included in medical decisions, but as they got older they were and while they may not have been legally able to have a say, we allowed them an extraordinary amount of freedom to make decisions about their own medical care. But I will also say that my ex and I don't argue at all about medical stuff-if one of feels strongly enough about something, we general go along with it. Don't parents make the decisions for their kids? I suppose it would be up to the parents of a minor - it is good to have those discussions, as you said, to ensure the parents are on the same page regarding decisions to be made about their kids.
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Post by melissa on Oct 25, 2015 21:09:24 GMT
This isn't even one of those "what would you do in this situation" issues. Sadly, the young girl was declared brain dead. She cannot and does not breathe without a ventilator. There are no photos of her where her neck is not covered with blankets. If she was really breathing on her own, every photo would not have her with blankets under her chin. Because she has been declared brain dead, we know that her pupils are no longer reactive to light, she has no gag reflex and no response to stimulation of any of the other cranial nerves. I strongly believe that the vast majority of people, once told their loved one is brain dead, would disconnect the ventilator.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Oct 25, 2015 21:11:08 GMT
This isn't even one of those "what would you do in this situation" issues. Sadly, the young girl was declared brain dead. She cannot and does not breathe without a ventilator. There are no photos of her where her neck is not covered with blankets. If she was really breathing on her own, every photo would not have her with blankets under her chin. Because she has been declared brain dead, we know that her pupils are no longer reactive to light, she has no gag reflex and no response to stimulation of any of the other cranial nerves. I strongly believe that the vast majority of people, once told their loved one is brain dead, would disconnect the ventilator. So is the ventilator in her throat? I have always thought a ventilator would be in the mouth. One of pics of her and her mom has her mom saying there is no vent (but then why are all the pics w/the blanket up to her neck)?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 25, 2015 22:08:20 GMT
The ventilator is through her tracheostomy (sp?) Which is the thing in her throat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 23:41:28 GMT
What a horrible thing to have to face.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 26, 2015 1:34:10 GMT
I think it's cruel for everyone involved not to let her go. The nastiest decision in the universe is the decision to turn off someone's life support. BTDT and it was horrible, but so necessary. Though it was a parent and not a child it was still agony. You always wonder if there was a shred of hope and you acted too soon; however, common sense and science tell you that you did the right thing. Is the family working w/social workers or people who can guide them and support them as they make the hard choices? Sounds like they're not in touch w/reality.
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Post by Belia on Oct 26, 2015 2:10:59 GMT
I was just thinking about this case the other day. So, so sad.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 26, 2015 2:18:12 GMT
I've just read the link that magentapea provided above...... What an absolute whack job that Dr Paul A Byrne is!!! He should be struck off - he is either outright lying, or he is dangerously incompetent / delusional. Here is another link to an article he wrote on the Renew America site. Scary that someone like him is still practicing.
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