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Post by smalltowngirlie on Oct 31, 2015 3:00:06 GMT
I feel like I should make one continuous thread for all my questions about DS being a senior and getting ready for college.
Anyway, DS got accepted into his first choice. We visited it once and they have a special day in January for students in enrolling in the College of Engineering, but I kind of want to visit sooner to talk to a financial aide counselor and someone to talk about his transferring credits. DH thinks we should just got to the one in January, but I know there are some scholarship app deadlines on February 1st, and if we wait until the January visit that would give DS less than a week to get the apps done. DS and us really want him to apply for all scholarships possible. I feel talking to a financial aide person from the college would really help to make sure he knows all he can.
DS also wants to see what credits will actually transfer from his college level courses now, if any. He is also taking a PSEO class this fall and wants to take one for the Winter/Spring semester, but can not decide which one. More CAD or maybe a Technical Writing course. He will need to register before January, so again, we don't really want to wait. Both courses would benefit him, but which would be the best.
I get what DH is saying to just make it all work for January, but there are some things that just cannot wait until then.
We also kind of want to see the residence hall he will be applying to. When they did the tour they did not go into the residence hall because it was one DS knew he would not stay in, opposite side of the campus than his college.
Am I overthinking all of this? DS is kind of torn, he could go either way.
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Post by ellen on Oct 31, 2015 3:10:59 GMT
My daughter visited the college she enrolled in twice - once in October and she returned in January for a scholarship interview. The school is about 4 hours from where we live. I think I'd see if my questions could be answered over the phone if there was some distance involved.
eta - Couldn't he work on the scholarship applications prior to visiting in January?
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Post by beaglemom on Oct 31, 2015 3:11:22 GMT
I would think that most of those questions could be answered over email. I went and visited the school I attended after I was admitted and then didn't go back till the day I moved in. Also where I went as freshman there were only a couple hosting options, you ranked your choices and then were placed by lottery. All dorms had info online for viewing. Granted I lived in California and the school was in Texas, but I didn't feel the need to visit more than once.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 3:13:08 GMT
Granted, I went to college a plane ride away, but I still would not visit extra times. All of the financial aid and course transfer stuff can be handled by your DS via phone and/or email.
Your DS can see the dorms online. An in-person visit is not necessary before the admitted student day in January.
You are overthinking this and there's an awful lot of "I/we" in your post. Your son should be taking the lead on these issues, not you. (Not saying you shouldn't be involved, but you should be assisting, not leading.)
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Oct 31, 2015 3:25:30 GMT
We did ONCE. And I didn't even see it until DD moved in. We toured every college in NC (where we lived), and by the time she wanted to look out of state, I was just tired and finished with DD and DH having the same conversation over and over. (He's a nuclear engineer, and he wanted her to major in engineering, which she didn't want. Rinse and repeat.) DH took her to USC without me and I'm sure did the "major in engineering" show for that tour too. And of course she loved it. Plus side, it ended up being the most affordable with the scholarships she got. She was accepted everywhere she applied but USC was the one she wanted. I saw it on move-in day and was okay, and so was everyone else. She's graduating in May and will be an actuary. Oh, and Go Gamecocks!!
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Post by CarolT on Oct 31, 2015 3:40:59 GMT
Each of my kids visited their colleges once, then went back for orientation right after HS graduation. All of the sorts of things you described they handled via email.
They both went to college about 2 hours from home.
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Post by Tamhugh on Oct 31, 2015 3:47:04 GMT
DS #1 visited his college once with us as a junior. He knew immediately that it was his first choice. He then made an official visit for an overnight with the track team his senior year, but he had already decided to go there by that time.
DS#2 went to the same school so he had been on campus several times visiting his brother. He did an official tour his junior year also. We did not visit any of their other choices more than once.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 4:19:42 GMT
You only need to visit once. All your questions about financial aid and transfer credits are easily handled via email (and probably prefered to be handled via email) You are making this MUCH more complicated than it needs to be.
While knowing about financial aid is a big field to work in, your student is going to be offered a package and it isn't a flexible "what do you want to choose from a list of options" but more of a "here is what you are offering; you can take it or pay out of pocket"
Course transferability is likewise already set. Either a course transfers or it won't. Many universities have this information on their website already. We have it listed as "transfer guide" some places will call it "articulations" If it isn't listed on the website a quick email will answer HIS questions without having to step foot on campus.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 31, 2015 4:29:53 GMT
Breathe MamaPea Breathe.
Oh and don't wait until a visit to do scholarship applications. If you get any additional information on the tour review the scholarship application, adapt and adjust accordingly.
FWIW My son's college went through his HS transcript and testing and gave him more credits than what we were expecting. I know we do this only a few times but if the college is not good at this stuff I personally would be concerned at where else they would drop the ball.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 31, 2015 5:24:47 GMT
With DS, we visited schools across the country, so they were all a one-time visit before applying. Once he got his acceptances, he was certain about his choice. DD was undecided between a couple of schools. One of them sent a plane ticket voucher to revisit on admitted student weekend. That is the school she ended up choosing.
The financial aid office should be able to answer all of your questions over phone or email. As far as coursework, they can put your son in touch with an academic advisor to help him choose the best class to prepare him for his major.
Try not to overthink it. A January visit should be fine. It sounds like the hardest part is behind you— he got into his first choice school! I take that back. The hardest part is paying for it!
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 31, 2015 5:26:31 GMT
DS is a freshman at a private university in St. Paul, Mn. We live in Virginia (military family.) He visited over the summer between his sophomore and junior year and again between his junior and senior year when he had his choices narrowed down. The first visit, we just got the general tour by an engineering student. The second year, he met with an admissions counselor and we went over his current classes, estimated what credit he would be given based on his AP classes and grades, and he was offered conditional admission (based on actually submitting a package and maintaining his grades. We were also given an estimated merit scholarship amount that was based on his test scores (ACT and SAT), class rank, grades, and AP classes. All that could have been done by email. The university also flew him in in February for a campus visit weekend and had DS attend some engineering classes. So 3 visits.
But what was very valuable was meeting with the Dean of Engineering with that second summer tour. He gave DS a tour of the Engineering building and facilities and talked with him for almost 2 hours. They discussed which of DS's HS engineering and math classes would transfer over and what classes DS should take his first year. DS did Project Lead the Way and it was recommended that he not take first year math or physics, but to take the first year engineering course. Not because DS really needed to learn the material, but because it was a good over view of the engineering program. The engineering professors all team teach the class and DS is getting to know them all. He says they really aren't covering new material, but that how it's presented and the ideas behind are more in depth.
When DS applied for the engineering scholarships, he already knew the dean (who was part of the screening board) and another professor. I think it definitely helped, especially with the phone interview. He'd met the dean twice (and the dean remembered him.) He had also met the other professor when he was there in February. He didn't get the $10,000 scholarship, but he did get the $4,000 one. I'm not sure why you would wait until after the January visit to do the engineering scholarship application. Most of those scholarship applications take more than a week to put together. I would have the package ready to go and just fine tune it after the visit and then submit it. I'm pretty sure there was about a month between the engineering scholarship deadline and the interview, so your DS would have met any professors before an interview (if there is one. That was the only scholarship where DS had an actual interview outside of the submitted package.)
A fall visit may be valuable if you can actually meet with a professor, but I'm not sure it's necessary for HS class credits or need based financial aid. For an estimate of need based aid, you can go to the FAFSA website and enter last year's tax info to get an estimated total.
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Post by maryland on Oct 31, 2015 13:13:01 GMT
That's how I felt last year! I had so many questions! But I will probably have just as many questions next year when my 16 yr. old is a senior. Some of my friends tell me it takes getting a couple into college and you still feel clueless!
My daughter is at the college I went to and it's 5 hrs. away. I took her and her sisters on day long tours of the college every summer while we were at my parents house for a week. They live 20 min. from the school. Her other top choice is 9 hrs. away and she only got to see it once. I think she would have liked to see it longer, but it's hard when it's so far away.
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Post by littlemama on Oct 31, 2015 13:41:38 GMT
We have been to ds' university four times. We went Novemeber of junior year to an open house admissions event, because we were trying to get a benchmark of what a college visit might consist of- this included a campus tour and speaking with professors from different majors. We went the week before school started (for ds) and met one on one with an admissions counselor. We were not able to do a tour that time because it was the first week of classes for the university. DS applied immediately following thks visit. A few weeks later, we were back for another admissions event, which included lunch at the cafeteria and another tour. No meetings with professors that time. This was a smaller event than the open house. He received his acceptance letter the following Monday. And finally, we were there yesterday so he could accept his scholarship and meet with a professor from his major to ask questions. It was only him and one other student, so we were all able to ask tons of questions. Then, we had lunch in the cafeteria again. The girl from our group was interviewing for a specific program, so she sat at a table for those students. Ds an I were sitting alone, and then we were joined by the person in charge of transfer students. We have enjoyed getting all of the different perspectives and everyone we talked to told us something we had not heard before. I believe we could have taken another tour also. We had one question that no one could answer on the spot, so the person from transfers tracked down the answer and called ds after we arrived home. If you have more questions than could be answered in an email, make an appointment and go. They should be happy to talk with you- you are their prospective customer, and they know you could still change your minds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 13:45:26 GMT
DD visited her college exactly once before going there. She went to the accepted students weekend in Aril and loved it so much she decided to go there.
DS has visited lots and lots of schools. He's applying to music conservatories, and it's important to meet the clarinet professors and take a lesson with them. He'll go back to each school for auditions. Different process completely.
Most of the colleges he's looked at consider students for scholarships based on their general application, auditions, and financial aid. There's only one that he goes to the school to apply -- and write an essay. It's all part of the general application/financial aid application. If you qualify, you're considered for it.
The local ones require an application. At our high school, they have about 150 scholarships that the Guidance department presents to the different scholarship committees, so you only have to fill out one application.
So congratulations to your son! He got into his first choice! The rest will fall into place -- he can email his questions and visit in January.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 31, 2015 13:45:08 GMT
I am probably going to be the odd parent out with our experience, but maybe it will help. My older son did not visit his school at all. He knew that he wanted to go out of state, he picked his school, applied, was accepted and went. I filled out the financial aid forms, he got Pell money. He joined the National Guard, he received money to help pay for tuition/books. He moved into a dorm-the one that he was assigned. He was told that if he was miserable with his choice, he could come home and attend the local community college for a while and make a different decision later. He wasn't (in fact, in my estimation he had TOO good of a time) and all is right in the world. My younger son has zero desire to do the rounds of formal college visits. His top two choices are in state schools. One is the school that both his dad and I graduated from and he has been dragged to for football games since he was a kid. He says he has seen the campus, thank-you-very-much. The other school is in the town the I grew up in. He has been dragged around that campus at various times throughout the years-up to a recent stay in the dorms on campus for Boy's State. For him, I will fill out the financial aid forms, he will likely get merit based money from the state and the rest will be made up from his dad. Both kids were able to easily figure out transfer credits based on dual enrollment and AP credits by looking on line. Most schools have the information in a fairly easy to understand chart for AP classes. Dual enrollment classes are almost always accepted for credit (there are exceptions, but for the most part articulation agreements between community colleges and state universities allow for easy transfer of credits based on a common course numbering system and regional accreditation agreements.) *Something that did confuse me was that my older son's SAT scores tested him out of freshman level English classes and a math class. I assume that would be the case with my younger son as well, but he took an AP class that after the exam he tested out of both freshman level classes. This, though, was sorted out when the older son went to speak to academic advisor prior to registering for his first go round of classes. I suspect that will happen with the younger kid as well. Any, the long-winded essay above is to tell you that it all works out in the end. A great deal of the information can be found online. Specific questions can be asked via email, the schools are used to that. A great resource is the guidance counselor at the school-particularly for questions about how credits transfer. I understand that all this is new, but don't make it harder on yourself and the family than it really is. It can actually be a ton of fun and exciting...and don't worry about asking questions. Lots of us have been through it and have had a LOT of different experiences (take ours-I have almost been completely hands off at the behest of the kids) and we are very willing to share. (Okay-I will admit to this though-the deadline for UF's applications is tomorrow. I ask every morning if it is done and turned in. EVERY MORNING. Because damn it, he will go to Florida if it is the last thing I do. )
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Post by tuva42 on Oct 31, 2015 14:16:12 GMT
I would get on the phone now and find an admissions/financial aid adviser to talk to. How dependent is your son on receiving scholarships in order to attend the university? I think figuring out the total cost and asking a financial aid adviser what you might expect to receive from the school would be a great thing to do now. Plus right now, they might be a little less busy than in January, so more time to chat with you.
Look on the website and see if they have photos/layouts of dorm rooms. We found most of the colleges DD is looking at offer that. She found that some of the freshman dorms at her first choice do not have A/C, but people who apply early get first choice at other dorms, so that was helpful to know.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 31, 2015 14:39:36 GMT
Granted, I went to college a plane ride away, but I still would not visit extra times. All of the financial aid and course transfer stuff can be handled by your DS via phone and/or email. Your DS can see the dorms online. An in-person visit is not necessary before the admitted student day in January. You are overthinking this and there's an awful lot of "I/we" in your post. Your son should be taking the lead on these issues, not you. (Not saying you shouldn't be involved, but you should be assisting, not leading.) I agree with you about the student should lead. But as another mom in the midst of this process, I can tell you many students are in front only because their parents are behind them pushing! My kid runs with a motivated crowd, but you'd never know it looking at their actions now. Yes, a few have completed and gotten acceptance letters, but it's not typical. Can't imagine what it's like for average kids, maybe it's simpler. His high school even required five essay responses by PARENTS on request for teacher rec.
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Post by txdancermom on Oct 31, 2015 15:13:37 GMT
both of mine visited the colleges they went to twice - the last time was in the spring for an accepted applicant weekend.
most of the questions you have can be answered by email. but realize they may not be able to answer the credit questions until the end of the school year.
do the scholarship applications before january, don't wait until you visit with the financial aid people.
let your ds make the decisions, it will be his life....
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 31, 2015 15:19:01 GMT
Oh and don't be "that person" at one of our visits who had done the exact same visit 5 times. TBH it was distracting because the staff on that visit knew her so well. Don't know what her deal was and don't care, if you are that wishy washy you probably are looking for an excuse not to go there not the deciding factor to go there IMHO.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 31, 2015 17:47:06 GMT
Oh and don't be "that person" at one of our visits who had done the exact same visit 5 times. TBH it was distracting because the staff on that visit knew her so well. Don't know what her deal was and don't care, if you are that wishy washy you probably are looking for an excuse not to go there not the deciding factor to go there IMHO. Oh wow, crazy pants- maybe they hoard the free stickers?. I know the tour guides can make a huge difference, but still can't imagine making the time for repetition.
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Post by stampinbetsy on Oct 31, 2015 18:25:12 GMT
We did an official visit on campus to DD's college in November before she graduated. Then we went to a preview day they had locally in February. We went to auditions in February also (she's a music major). Then she went to a weekend where they invite admitted students to come stay in the dorm and work on a service project. She got to stay with a couple of girls who are in the choir (I don't think we knew she was in the choir yet when she did this - but she really, really wanted to be in the choir).
I would say definitely get the financial aid stuff done as soon as you can.
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Post by RiverIsis on Nov 1, 2015 3:45:22 GMT
Oh and don't be "that person" at one of our visits who had done the exact same visit 5 times. TBH it was distracting because the staff on that visit knew her so well. Don't know what her deal was and don't care, if you are that wishy washy you probably are looking for an excuse not to go there not the deciding factor to go there IMHO. Oh wow, crazy pants- maybe they hoard the free stickers?. I know the tour guides can make a huge difference, but still can't imagine making the time for repetition. I'm pretty convinced that she didn't know what she wanted and she probably was either avoiding a class by going on a college visit or didn't arrange to go anywhere else. I know one of the professors asked her what she thought she would learn this time that she hadn't on the other visits.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 1, 2015 17:14:26 GMT
Both my girls attended the colleges they went to once. The youngest one we had some financial aide questions, and since the college was 4 hrs away, we skyped with them. Worked out great.
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