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Post by sunnyd on Dec 3, 2015 6:02:21 GMT
in your car? Dd is 20 so she doesn't necessarily need our permission to go BUT she needs permission to drive our car with our insurance. Dh is an insurance man so he's always paranoid about liability plus he's very over-protective in general. The trip is about 700 miles from home (so 1,400 round trip) & the destination is the Los Angeles area. We've driven there many times so she's kind of familiar with the heavy traffic & locations, although she has never driven there. Overall, she's a responsible 20 year old. Dh says no way; however, I'm open to discussion. What age would you allow it? I swear I've asked this very question before. Luckily the thought passed at that time but has arisen again, lol. TIA!
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 3, 2015 6:12:14 GMT
With our insurance (USAA), DS is insured no matter where he drives or how many miles.
If she is on your insurance, I'd say sure. It sounds like she is ready for a road trip. If she is not and is not insured herself, I'd say no.
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Post by katiekaty on Dec 3, 2015 6:17:23 GMT
Youngest DD was 18 at the time of her first roadtrip about 300 miles away to San Antonio. Oldest DD was 22 and it 1500 miles one way and had BF with her. Oldest DS was 19-20 on his first. Youngest DS about 20. They were all very responsible and all were on our insurance.
I will say this, if she is going to LA, she needs to watch out regarding parking. My two sons flew up to pick up a 35 year old Toyota truck they wanted to restore this past July and they parked in a secured parking attached to a really nice hotel. Several cars were stolen and stripped from the lot. A note was left on their truck about nobody wanting that piece of garbage! the boys were laughing because at that point, their truck stripped would have been worth more than most of those cars in the lot! It was a fairly rare truck and when restored should bring them about 50-70 thousand at auction.
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Post by mlana on Dec 3, 2015 7:03:39 GMT
We homeschooled, so my son was able to start interning with his dad when he was 14. He got his learner's permit when he was 15 and from that day forward, he did all the driving when he worked with his dad. By the time he got his driver's license at 16, he was very well seasoned for driving in almost any situation - ATLANTA traffic is not for the faint of heart. For his 17th birthday, we gave him a week at an extreme skate camp in PA. He drove there, then to upper NY state to see a friend. When he was done, he drove back to GA. I didn't worry about him on the road near as much as I worried about him on skates on ramps.
DD didn't do nearly as much driving during her learning period. I worried about her just driving to the grocery store less than a mile away. Once she got her license, though, she insisted on doing all the driving when we went somewhere. By the time she left for college 200+ miles away, I knew she could handle the road. Since then, she has travelled all over the South without any fear on her part. I admit I tend to track her using The app Find My Friends, but she's okay with that.
I'd make sure Your DD had some sort of tracking program on her phone and very good directions. Help her plan the trip so she's going thru any tricky areas in daylight during the lightest traffic. Make sure she has a Bluetooth or hands free phone hookup in case you notice something on the map or traffic report and want to tell her about it without distracting her. Do you have AAA? Or some very reliable roadside assistance program? Help her think Thru the preparations, then let her fly free.
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Post by gar on Dec 3, 2015 8:55:42 GMT
Insurance aside, I based it on experience essentially. How long has she been driving? Has she experience of the type of driving she'll have to do? If you're comfortable with the answers then 20 seems a very reasonable age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:23:39 GMT
I think 20 is plenty old enough. Just tell her if she doesn't pay attention and something totally stupid that raises the insurance rates the increase will be hers to pay until she is financially independent of you and off your insurance.
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Post by littlemama on Dec 3, 2015 12:01:51 GMT
That is a very long distance for a 20 year old to drive. Will there be others with her? Will she drive it in one day? If not, will she be able to get a hotel room(not sure what the age is to get a hotel room).
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Post by anxiousmom on Dec 3, 2015 12:16:02 GMT
We don't really have a choice about road trips-I have a son who is the same age as your daughter. He is in school in another state about 8 hours away. If he wants to come home, he either has to take a bus, fly or drive. I have zero control over what he does while he is away and if he and his friends want to take a road trip, he goes. I figure if he is responsible enough to sign on the dotted line to join the National Guard, then I am going to have to trust that he is responsible enough to drive around the country if that is what he chooses.
The younger boy is only 17 so my control is a little tighter, I wouldn't want him driving all over just yet. But pretty soon I am not going to be able to control that either. He will also go away to school soon enough and once that happens, I will have to trust that he capable of taking a road trip of his own.
What I have to do is trust that I have taught them to be responsible citizens and that they will do the right things. Beyond that, I can't stop them...they are officially adults. That would apply to both driving their own cars and mine.
(although for the record, no one ever wants to drive my ancient beast of a truck so driving my car isn't ever an issue, even if it is to run up to Publix.)
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Post by maryland on Dec 3, 2015 12:36:24 GMT
We are not overprotective with our teen daughters at all with one exception. Driving! I don't trust others on the road.
My daughter was offered a drive back to college a few days ago with her best friend (their colleges are 30 min. apart from each other). But it is a 6 hour drive. Her friend is 18 and hasn't been driving since summer because she didn't have a car on campus. I didn't feel comfortable, the drive is through a mountainous area with a lot of fog and then on the DC beltway for part of the trip. My husband was fine with it. He is very laid back and doesn't worry. But I thought I would drive her myself. Of course she is an adult, and for all I know she could be going on road trips with friends while away at college and I wouldn't even know!
But she is my oldest, and maybe by the time my middle daughter is that age I would be fine with it!
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Post by cyndijane on Dec 3, 2015 12:48:18 GMT
I went to college about that distance from home. Often drove myself there and back. While it was easier with friends vs alone, when I brought friends, my rule was it didn't matter who's car we took- I was driving while in Dallas.
I'm sure my mom was panicky, because she's a mom. But life is to be lived. I'd let her go, although I'd feel better if she weren't alone.
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Post by melanell on Dec 3, 2015 13:05:39 GMT
It would totally depend on the kid, for me, not the age. Our insurance has always covered others driving our vehicle, so the insurance aspect would not concern me. My concern would be only the actual driving of the trip, dealing with any emergencies, being safe in terms of the other drivers, etc. Does she have some sort of roadside assistance, either through AAA or your insurance? That would make me feel better about it whether it was my kid or me.
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Post by ReneeH20 on Dec 3, 2015 13:05:51 GMT
My youngest is 20. She took a road trip from Minneapolis to Florida with 2 of her friends this summer. They drove friend's car and stayed at friend's grandparent's house while down there. Everything went fine. They had a great time.
Her older sibling had done several smaller road trip from about age 19 on....Wisconsin Dells, Chicago, St. Louis. All went fine.
Let her do it. With GPS and cell phones, unless she is totally untrustworthy, I'd let her go. Sure you are going to worry about your kids. I tell mine that once you are a mom you can't turn off mom-mode. You can give good advice, but let her spread her wings.
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Post by grinningcat on Dec 3, 2015 13:17:10 GMT
At 20 if you questioned me about taking a road trip, I'd be renting a car or borrowing someone else's and making fast plans to get the hell out of your house as fast as I can. Nothing better than babying a 20 year old. Good grief. I thought when I opened this post you'd be asking about a 16 year old, not a 20 year old. This is why there are entitlement issues with the younger generations, they aren't allowed to grow up and be responsible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 13:22:21 GMT
My son is 17 and has been making many college visits this year. I think 5 hours is about the furthest. He's experienced, careful, and covered by USAA. I have no problem with it--I trust his driving. DD drove to Montreal with friends (about 5-6 hours) when she was 17. If she's an experienced driver, and your insurance covers her, I'd say yes. Make sure she has AAA or the equivalent. Also make sure she knows to stop often to rest her eyes and stretch out. Get a hotel room for the night--that's a long stretch for one day. ETA: grinningcat Haha you'd be stuck renting a car at 20-- They only rent to 25+ these days. I've used that fact on my kids before
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Post by grinningcat on Dec 3, 2015 13:29:28 GMT
My son is 17 and has been making many college visits this year. I think 5 hours is about the furthest. He's experienced, careful, and covered by USAA. I have no problem with it--I trust his driving. DD drove to Montreal with friends (about 5-6 hours) when she was 17. If she's an experienced driver, and your insurance covers her, I'd say yes. Make sure she has AAA or the equivalent. Also make sure she knows to stop often to rest her eyes and stretch out. Get a hotel room for the night--that's a long stretch for one day. ETA: grinningcat Haha you'd be stuck renting a car at 20-- They only rent to 25+ these days. I've used that fact on my kids before True enough. I realised that after I wrote it, but it doesn't change my stance that the OP is babying her 20 year old and is being ridiculously helicopterish. That said, I know people who have gotten around the 25+ age restriction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 13:41:00 GMT
ETA: grinningcat Haha you'd be stuck renting a car at 20-- They only rent to 25+ these days. I've used that fact on my kids before True enough. I realised that after I wrote it, but it doesn't change my stance that the OP is babying her 20 year old and is being ridiculously helicopterish. That said, I know people who have gotten around the 25+ age restriction. I agree that 20 is plenty old enough to make those kind of decisions. At 20, I was in college 7 hours away from home. I used to drive it regularly by myself. I was married and completely financially independent from my parents by 22. I've been working hard to be sure my kids can handle the independence as well. DD graduates this spring and will be on her own, and she's certainly prepared for it. Wasn't easy, but worth it. It takes a lot of effort to bite my tongue sometimes and let them fail.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Dec 3, 2015 13:50:01 GMT
I can't believe we're having this discussion about a 20-year-old. Granted, she's on your insurance so that's a factor, but she's 20. At what age will you consider her responsible?
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Post by dockmaster on Dec 3, 2015 14:00:52 GMT
My daughter is the same age and I would not even blink an eye. She drives to and from Atlanta for school (about 5 hours) every Semester and all over Atlanta while in School. She is a good driver.
I was barely 19 when I took my 1st road trip 30 years ago. Michigan to Texas with an 8 month old who was teething. Two days on the road with an Atlas and all our belongings. No cell phone or GPS back then. I had good tunes on the radio though.
The Mister and I raised string independent young ladies. I worry about them, but I am also not afraid to let them do their thing when the time.comes. I would just make sure they had a plan and plenty of money.
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Post by maryland on Dec 3, 2015 14:08:03 GMT
At 20 if you questioned me about taking a road trip, I'd be renting a car or borrowing someone else's and making fast plans to get the hell out of your house as fast as I can. Nothing better than babying a 20 year old. Good grief. I thought when I opened this post you'd be asking about a 16 year old, not a 20 year old. This is why there are entitlement issues with the younger generations, they aren't allowed to grow up and be responsible. Good point! I too would have done the same thing! I guess I sometimes forget how I felt at that age and how I would not have liked being told what to do. At least my husband would be fine with it, even if our kids were 18!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 14:29:16 GMT
When she's old enough to own her own car? Rent her own car? Has her own insurance?
The actual age isn't the really issue for me. It's the liability. She may be covered by your policy but it's YOUR policy and any issues will be on YOUR shoulders. It has nothing to do with babying anyone. I'm with your husband on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 15:01:47 GMT
At 20 if you questioned me about taking a road trip, I'd be renting a car or borrowing someone else's and making fast plans to get the hell out of your house as fast as I can. Nothing better than babying a 20 year old. Good grief. I thought when I opened this post you'd be asking about a 16 year old, not a 20 year old. This is why there are entitlement issues with the younger generations, they aren't allowed to grow up and be responsible. I am pretty sure you have to be 25 to rent a car. Well, years ago that was the rule... added......oooooops I did not read all the posts before commenting.
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Post by utmr on Dec 3, 2015 15:12:47 GMT
I think the kid and the situation are the big factors. Some would be fine at 16, others probably not at 25.
Is she going to/from school? Or to visit someone? Or is this a lets just explore the country side?
If she is ordinarily responsible and a generally good driver, then I'd probably be ok. I'd feel better (or less worried) if she was traveling with someone else, if they had phones and GPS, if they were traveling interstates or other well paved roads (not back roads or isolated) and if they had a destination. So if they didn't arrive on time someone would be looking for them.
It's hard to turn off the mom mode, but if they had a plan and were level headed it would be a lot easier to power down the rotors.
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Post by kelly8875 on Dec 3, 2015 15:35:36 GMT
I took my first road trip at 16, 500 miles one way. No cell phone and I didn't use a map. If it's an insurance reason your dh is giving, just get her insured for the trip... Problem solved
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 3, 2015 15:46:02 GMT
For me, the decision would be entirely based on how experienced a driver DD is. I wouldn't hesitate to let DD (18) to make that drive, but she has driven through LA several times and is a good driver.
I also like the idea of her taking one of our cars that I know are well maintained and have good navigation systems.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Dec 3, 2015 15:47:32 GMT
I read the OP asking more about "in your car" I don't think the question is would you let your 20 year old go on a road trip.. but would you let them take your car.
If not having the car while she is gone is not a burden. I would. I would ask her to stop and spend the night somewhere and have a friend. That is at least a 12 hour drive, with bathroom breaks and gas stops.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Dec 3, 2015 15:52:30 GMT
Depends on the driving history. My DS is 20 and a road hazard. No way would I let him drive my car to the store much less on a road trip. ETA: My DS is unique in his irresponsibility. My parents would've let me drive their car at 20.
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Post by sunnyd on Dec 3, 2015 16:05:59 GMT
LOL, I love that!! Yes, the issue is in using our car with our insurance that we are liable for. She's already lived in Europe for a semester with no parental involvement & currently lives over 2,000 miles away from home, working full time at an internship, & is doing just fine, albeit without a car. At what age will you consider her responsible? I guess when she buys her own car & pays for her own insurance. Thanks so much to everyone for posting! I really appreciate the differing opinions! Between my mom drilling in my head, when I was on her insurance, that every time I got behind the wheel of her car I was risking everything she owned. (And she was the opposite of a helicopter mom, ha!) and dh's insurance job which has given him liability paranoia, our poor kid might as well buy stock in uber, lol! There are a few companies that rent to 20 year olds but it's outrageous, over $150 per day and you still have to provide proof of insurance, which would be used in case of damage. Thanks again! I'll let you know if we decide to let her use our car for the road trip & how it goes.
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Post by ~Susan~ on Dec 3, 2015 16:19:34 GMT
I have no problem with my twentysomething taking a roadtrip, just not in my vehicle. I barely let my DH drive my vehicle. I am just funny that way.
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Post by cmpeter on Dec 3, 2015 16:27:16 GMT
I wouldn't even think twice about letting my 20 year old take a road trip like that. Aren't you more likely to get in a car accident close to home or in a parking lot than on a road trip? Do you allow her to drive to the grocery store?
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Post by STBC on Dec 3, 2015 16:33:41 GMT
dh's insurance job which has given him liability paranoia What exactly is he paranoid about?
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