Judy26
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 1, 2016 1:42:38 GMT
DD and I love watching HGTV. I've always wondered how young couples are paying $500,000 and up for homes. I live in bumfuck, PA so I know I'm not in the mainstream but how does someone just starting out have that kind of income? Is this the norm? Inquiring minds and all that...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 2:04:14 GMT
I think that they must be at least two career wage earners. But also with interest rates so very low a $350K mortgage over 30 years is less than $2000 a month (dependent of course on insurance/property tax escrows). But then again, I have to wonder how many aren't getting help from parents (at least with down payments, etc)
Last time we moved, DH and I decided to stick at half the amount we would qualify for! But this is our 3rd house, so definitely not a starter. It blows me away the ones that start with that as a "starter" home.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jan 1, 2016 2:10:43 GMT
We live in a geographic area (northern Virginia, Beltway area) where single family homes start in the 500's and go from there. The vast majority of people our age who are living in one of those homes bought their first property before the housing bubble and made a bunch of money on it, and/or were lucky on a stock grant from an employer, and/or received a large gift from family to make a down payment, and/or had a large inheritance. And/or are living paycheck to paycheck because their house payment is so big. Alternative financing is certainly another possibility on that list, as there were some creative loans that got made in the last 10 years.
We live in a townhouse that cost less than that and we bought it on an 80/10/10 so we only had to come up with a modest down payment - in fact our down payment was my DH's severance check from a previous employer which we stashed away and didn't spend. We have since refinanced into a 15yr fixed but that is how we bought this property with a small down payment.
ETA that 500k here doesn't buy you a big fancy house. It gets you 1980s-built, big-development, HOA-governed, 2000 square feet in the middlishly far out suburbs in a decent neighborhood with great schools and a postage stamp yard.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 1, 2016 2:11:25 GMT
It boggles my mind. I love the shows where their budget is $150,000.00 or less. I've never lived in an ostentatious house and wouldn't want to. Some of the people shown as buyers don't look like they could possibly have the money to afford the houses they are looking at. But I still enjoy seeing houses and especially those in other countries.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 1, 2016 2:19:28 GMT
Those shows always baffle me, and are nothing like the housing/cost of living here. 500k here buys a huge house or a very nice house in an uppy neighborhood. I have a 3000 sq ft home with a half acre backyard in a nice neighborhood. It's not even half that cost.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jan 1, 2016 2:21:31 GMT
Here's $500k in my zip code, a 3/2 1960s rambler: You gotta spend a million bucks to get to this in my zip code, and even it is "only" 3000 square feet:
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Post by melanell on Jan 1, 2016 2:24:35 GMT
I agree that the area in which you live makes all the difference and makes the amounts being spent or the budgets on any of these shows pretty much useless unless by coincidence a show has a couple buying in the same area in which you live.
Because for every house on House Hunters where the better part of a million bucks gets you (what I would consider) practically nothing, there is a house on Fixer Upper going for (what seems to me to be ) so little that my jaw drops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 2:26:42 GMT
Extended mortgages--50 years.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 1, 2016 2:26:58 GMT
Here's $500k in my zip code, a 3/2 1960s rambler: You gotta spend a million bucks to get to this in my zip code: Here that top house would be 110k and the bottom house 300-350k
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Post by ntsf on Jan 1, 2016 2:27:41 GMT
$500,000 won't buy a closet here. crappy tiny houses or condos start at $900,000...though those are getting rarer...so 60+% of the population rents and there is no middle class left. my kid is trying to find a studio to rent for under $2500...and is still looking. most nice (2 bedroom ok neighborhood).. are 1.2-1.8 million. two great income families buy them or you try to inherit a house. even to rent the house two doors from us (smaller house--1100 sq ft) you need an income of $125,000. over 65% of houses are over 1 million...
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Post by hollymolly on Jan 1, 2016 2:31:34 GMT
$499,000 in my zip code Over a million
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 1, 2016 2:44:06 GMT
You can't even get a 50's ranch tear down for $500,000 in my neighborhood. We are about the least expensive neighborhood in our area. Excellent schools and close proximity to downtown have driven prices up. It would be too expensive for us to buy in here now.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 1, 2016 2:54:24 GMT
The white one is $500k, the yellow is $1.1M Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 3:10:12 GMT
$500k $1MM
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Post by txdancermom on Jan 1, 2016 3:15:34 GMT
my ds and dil are looking for a house, and they live in the DC area and house prices are expensive, they are looking in the $200,000 - $300,000 range - and that would be a small house. DH and I thought our house was expensive, and it was under $100,000
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 1, 2016 3:30:02 GMT
I paid $57,900 for a 1200 sq ft 2BR 1.5BA townhouse in 1983 in Baton Rouge when I was 35. DS bought a $400,000 1100 sq ft 2 BR 1.5BA townhouse earlier this year at age 29. He started saving his money when he got his first part-time job when the graduated from HS and kept the job throughout college. Lived at home and graduated without any debt. Living at home was the only way he would ever be able to buy a place in our area and we were amazed that he was able to do it without touching his Roth IRA. ETA: He had to put 25% down because he bought non-owner occupied and could qualify for $100,000+ more.
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Post by Leone on Jan 1, 2016 3:30:39 GMT
What gets me is the couple in their twenties who think they can afford $500k but of course the kitchen is a complete gut job they insist would have to happen. You couldn't possibly live without stainless. And if I hear "natural light" one more time I want to barf. Eight times House Hunters has zeroed in on things that are identical in my house and the diva shrieks...can you imagine someone living with that! I am really sick of the proberty brothers. I also hate when they are looking at condos and they fail to mention how much the HOA is...some are outrageous.
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Post by perumbula on Jan 1, 2016 3:39:33 GMT
That's less than 500k. It's on 5 acres, has a horse barn and pasture, a four car garage with an RV bay (taller than standard with extra tall door), but is a bit smaller at only 2550 sq ft. The 120 year old Queen Anne that's for sale in my town (3000 square feet, 5 bedroom) is under contract for $225k. If you are willing to go up to $525k you can get this beauty: It's only a 3 bedroom, but you get 30 acres of farm land to go with it. It's all in where you live. I notice that the shows where the couples are spending over $350k take place in higher priced areas, usually a metro area. Income is usually higher and often in high priced areas banks are willing to fudge a bit on debt to income ratios. It does blow me away though at what some of these kids want, expect, and can afford in a home. I promise starter homes in my area look very different. Many young couples can buy new, but most often the homes are 3/2 under 1500 square feet.
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Post by bethquiroz on Jan 1, 2016 3:51:17 GMT
Many of the HGTV shows are filmed in Canada, where the houses are much more expensive (probably due to the exchange rate).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 3:59:05 GMT
Many of the HGTV shows are filmed in Canada, where the houses are much more expensive (probably due to the exchange rate). House Hunters is mostly in the U.S. Homes are expensive in most metro areas, especially on the coasts. Some areas are much much cheaper. Its just perspective. If you live in a lower cost of living area, the housing prices in some areas seem outrageous. When you live in a higher cost of living area, you are shocked that it's possible to buy a home for under $100,000 in some places.
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Post by edie3 on Jan 1, 2016 4:02:15 GMT
Oh, that paint color is horrible. I gotta have stainless appliances, granite countertops. What, no garage?
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Post by bethquiroz on Jan 1, 2016 4:11:05 GMT
Many of the HGTV shows are filmed in Canada, where the houses are much more expensive (probably due to the exchange rate). House Hunters is mostly in the U.S. Homes are expensive in most metro areas, especially on the coasts. Some areas are much much cheaper. Its just perspective. If you live in a lower cost of living area, the housing prices in some areas seem outrageous. When you live in a higher cost of living area, you are shocked that it's possible to buy a home for under $100,000 in some places. Exactly - one of the reasons I love living in Montana!
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Post by melanell on Jan 1, 2016 4:13:26 GMT
My only pet peeve is when people claim to "need" something that they merely want. They start going on about how they need these 17 things and I'm sitting there thinking "Really? Your family of 3 cannot possibly survive without those things?" Then they buy a home with only 7 of the features they claimed they "needed" and I think "Guess you didn't need those other 10 after all."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 4:25:15 GMT
Oh, that paint color is horrible. I gotta have stainless appliances, granite countertops. What, no garage? I hardly think a garage is on par with granite and stainless. A garage can't be easily added, and not having one is a big issue in a lot of climates. I would never buy a house without a garage. Where would you store bikes, yard equipment, tools, etc... not to mention cars!
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Post by katybee on Jan 1, 2016 13:21:00 GMT
For the record, I know a lot of recent college graduate that make a lot more than I do! They chose to go into STEM careers-- engineering, software developers-- or finance. Makes me seriously question my decision to be a teacher. What the hell was I thinking?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 1, 2016 15:24:01 GMT
I know that big cities have bigger salaries, but even for the college educated in a good job some of the prices are crazy. I do wonder just how house poor they are. I also say this as someone who was burned by buying at the height of the bubble. I am so thankful we didn't spend a lot and lose a lot of equity when the market fell. We've never made money on the sale of a house other than having a lot of equity due to paying over our required mortgage payment.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 1, 2016 15:32:53 GMT
Oh, that paint color is horrible. I gotta have stainless appliances, granite countertops. What, no garage? I hardly think a garage is on par with granite and stainless. A garage can't be easily added, and not having one is a big issue in a lot of climates. I would never buy a house without a garage. Where would you store bikes, yard equipment, tools, etc... not to mention cars! Funny, we have a "garage" but it isn't for parking modern cars. The curse of living in an old house, it comes with a tiny Model T size garage.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jan 1, 2016 15:40:59 GMT
Oh, that paint color is horrible. I gotta have stainless appliances, granite countertops. What, no garage? I hardly think a garage is on par with granite and stainless. A garage can't be easily added, and not having one is a big issue in a lot of climates. I would never buy a house without a garage. Where would you store bikes, yard equipment, tools, etc... not to mention cars! I had garage on my list one time we moved! Left a historic city neighborhood for suburbia. If you live in a place built before cars you might be lucky enough to get a carriage house- but in our previous neighborhood those had all been spun into separate properties and turned into studios. The city lots had no access or space for garages.
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Post by bosoxbeth on Jan 1, 2016 15:45:40 GMT
Here where we live (suburbs of NYC), the houses are very expensive. We paid $500,000 13 years ago for our four bedroom house with 1/2 acre of land and all original (ugly) bathrooms, kitchen, etc. Property taxes are $14K a year. Over the years we put in a lot of work and renovated much of it. It's worth like $700,000 now. But many houses near us are way over a million and they aren't THAT amazing...not mansions or anything by any means! It's a lot of "location, location, location." If you want to be within 20 miles of NYC, you are going to pay for it dearly!
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Judy26
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 1, 2016 15:56:21 GMT
I get that housing prices vary. I just watched one show where the husband was quitting his job to go into teaching and the wife worked for a non profit. They were having a child and we're looking for a house in the upper 700,000 range which for them was a huge modern house. It just makes me wonder how that works.
There is a couple who just one a million on a scratch off. They had previously lost everything and are living with his mother. They are looking for a house up to 800,000. After taxes they can't have that much money. Oh, and they need room for the boat they are going to buy. Just makes me shake my head.
I guess I need to go back to work on Monday so I don't waste any more brain cells wondering about people I will never even meet!
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