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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 22:45:37 GMT
I'm looking for advice re "tightening up" things in general at home--basically a complete overhaul of how things run in our house. I've been in the pod long enough to know I'm opening myself to criticism here but ask for gentleness since I've been beating myself up plenty in coming to this realization.
To give a little backstory, we have four children, ages 4, 9, 13 and 18. I fully admit to being the weakest link, having minimal expectations and not following through on discipline over the years. (DH is no help in this regard, either, and right or wrong, I'm going to have to be the one to lower the boom with this).
As a result, I go around saying things like "I'm not the maid," but I am. Toys aren't put away, clothes left on the bathroom floor, generally messes everywhere. Our middle two bicker and fight on a regular basis and are disrespectful to me. I feel stressed on a regular basis.
Additionally, the kids don't have set chores and they often resist when asked (because they know they'll succeed in wearing me down). Sometimes I hit my breaking point, yell and have them do a mandatory cleanup before a fun activity but I would rather it not even get to that point. (My 18 year-old does do her own laundry, picks up after herself and will pitch in when asked).
I know that in addition to causing major stress to and extra work for myself, I'm not doing them any favors in setting the example of how a family works and just being competent in general.
For those of you who run a "tight ship," how do things work in your house in terms of chores, household rules/routine and consequences? (I'm not necessarily looking for the "take everything out and the door off the room" sort of punishments, just a general framework of what's expected, allowed and what happens when the rules aren't followed).
I'd also especially be interested in hearing from anyone who has been in my situation and turned things around. If you've read this far, thank you.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 24, 2014 22:52:21 GMT
Do they get an allowance? Maybe start with who to earn the money they want to spend?
Or assign chores and days. If a chore isnt done on time, that person has to do one chore from each of the other's list.
have a bucket with things you had to pick up. Each item has a chore or money value that must be done in order fo get it back. All items not reclaimed after x time get donated and the owner is charged x for transportation fee.
the catch is, no matter what you implement, you need to be faithful and consistant
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 22:57:47 GMT
This is ONLY a suggestion for the chore issue and not th bigger issues at play. But, it may help, so I'm putting it out there.
This summer, I wanted DS to get more independent in doing his daily/weekly tasks around the house. I stumbled across an app called ChoreMonster (free) and it's been great. I set up his jobs and the frequency at which he has to do them. Then you assign each task a point value (I assigned more points to the things I knew he's be more resistant to doing, not necessarily to the things that are harder/more time consuming). You also assign awards to various point values. For the most part, we do free things like X points for Y screen time, or Z points for a trip to his favorite birdwatching site, (here, again, I assign point values in ways that encourage him to pick things we'd rather have him pick - like he could get two birdwatching visits for the same number of points as 30 minutes of screen time; a birdwatching visit is a lot more than 30 minutes, but it's also outside, learning, active, etc. - all of which we'd prefer to screen time KWIM?).
Anyway, it's been working like a charm. DS checks his app every day - without being reminded - to see what he needs to do. And he does it, without whining or complaining or even being reminded. He loves it. I love it. It's like a chore chart, but for me, it's easier. And as he can see the points building up, he gets excited and it's a great motivator. It also reinforces what we're woking on with money - saving over time for bigger things, delayed gratification, etc..
The app is too young for your older two, but there are similar apps for older kids. Or you could just apply the concepts to a pen and paper model. Whatever.
I know a lot of people don't believe in rewards for chores, but I'm not philosophically opposed to it. As time goes on, we gradually reduce the point rewards for things that have become habit and introduce new tasks. Rinse, lather, repeat.
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Post by Minty118 on Jul 24, 2014 23:22:10 GMT
I'm the neat one, husband and 4 kids are of the mind: "Mom likes it done, she'll just do it". Three weeks ago, I went on "strike". I made up a chore chart. Kids rotate weeks doing the bathroom, the dining room, vacuuming, and dusting. The three older kids each do dishes twice a week and the youngest empties the dishwasher. I do the laundry, the mopping and our mud/laundry room. Husband takes out the trash and recycling.
The first week took a lot of reminding and the kids lost their bonus, or allowance. The second week they worked harder, but only earned half of their bonus. We are on week three, and they are doing pretty well. Sometimes I still have to remind or call them back to finish, but not as much as the first week. It's been working for us so far. Hopefully once school starts and we are busier I will stick to my guns to make them keep it up! This week has been so much less stressful.
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Post by rst on Jul 24, 2014 23:47:43 GMT
Any time you want to make changes, I think it's best to start with attainable, limited scope with big rewards for all. So figure out 3 things you want to change in the next month and focus there.
With chores, in our household, we have a rotating schedule. a) unload dishwasher, set table b)take out trash, scoop dog poop c) recycling and sweep entry and stairs. Those are given tasks, and the expectation is that the kids will get them done without reminders. If one of them is going to be away from home and will not get his chore done, it's up to him to trade with a brother.
Then there "extra" chores, some of which are for pay, and some are just part of family "chore day". When we have a lot to do, I make up a big long list, and assign a value between 1 (easy and quick) to 4 (hard or time consuming or somehow otherwise not desirable to do). I total all the points, then divide that by the people taking part in chore day (I include myself usually). Each person has to do that number of points. We take turns picking chores from the list. This gives them the option of doing a bunch of little chores or just one or two harder things. And because we're taking turns in picking, there's some "fairness" in the allocation.
Beyond chores -- just general family life things, what you want is to get buy-in from your kids. Beginning of the school year is a great time to make some changes in how things run, so again, pick 3 top things that will smooth your life, and focus on those. Maybe lunches and snacks, how papers from school are managed, and laundry. Get feedback from your family about what they find frustrating or difficult and problem solve together. If they're like my kids, they will just shrug and say "I dunno". So that's when you get to institute your plan, along with rewards for good behavior, and some consequences for failure to comply. The trick is to pick consequences that you actually will institute. If you say that you are only going to wash laundry that's put in the hamper and turned right side out, and if they don't comply, they will have to wear dirty clothes, be sure you are willing to go there, for example.
I guess my main point is that you'll do better if you pick prime targets rather than trying to change everything and everyone. Pick things that will have a big impact for everyone, and when you succeed there, you'll have the energy and cooperation to make more changes. Your kids are still at an age where they can and will take direction and learn new routines, but the biggest thing to work on is your own self-- being consistent and keeping it positive instead of an endless nag (I know this because it's my own experience). Find ways to remind yourself of your goals-- write them down someplace you'll see them multiple times a day, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:58:50 GMT
Thanks for all of the suggestions. I agree that setting achievable goals and being consistent are the two most important things right now. I didn't even realize some of what I was doing until my mom gently pointed out something she overheard one day when we were on the phone together.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:23:30 GMT
rst has a good point. Trying to change it all at once is probably going to end in frustration on everyone's part -- especially since you know that you have problems with consistency. Pick a few things and concentrate on those over the summer. Then when school starts, add a couple more. That way you can concentrate on the things you have all decided are most important. Don't sweat the others yet -- pay attention to those few things until they've become habits and routine for everyone.
Use whatever means you think will work -- an app, a points system, a chart. Whatever you think you can stick with.
I have the same sort of issues -- and I'm trying to prod my DS16 back into some semblance of a routine. Summer is so hard to start something like this because we were so incredibly burnt out from a tough school year and work schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 22:17:40 GMT
This thread had some great advice in it.... 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/2823/come-jesus-kids-thoughtsI tend to yell when regular talking doesn't work. I feel I give plenty of time for chores to be done before I clean via the garbage bag method. I am very much the disciplinarian in the family and fortunately bf and I are on the same page with expectations and consequences if they're not followed. You need to be a united front. I'd remind them that nothing, really, in your house truly belongs to them (18yr old may be a different story...) and that you have power to ground, punish and take away things as you see fit. They're going to continue to treat you poorly until you make them stop. Good luck getting them in order again!!!
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 26, 2014 22:22:52 GMT
I like how the family on 71 Toes does chores and allowances. It's been awhile since I read it and there's more to it than this... They get paid based on age, miss one chore I think they get pass, but miss 2 and their allowance is cut in half. They mark charts each day and a parent signs off. They are taught to save and donate x percent. I believe they match what each child chooses to save. I think they start with kids at 8 or 9. I may start my 7 year old with something similar.
It's hard to follow through. I'm at home more with my son, but I work, too. We also get home at 7 most nights and I'm just tired. I need to follow through, but everyone needs to do it too.
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