huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Jul 24, 2014 22:51:59 GMT
Just wondering based upon a Facebook post I read.
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Post by lightetc on Jul 24, 2014 23:02:19 GMT
This doesn't mean I stomp around criticising men and burning my underwear, but my expectations of equal treatment land me well and truly in the feminist category.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 24, 2014 23:03:34 GMT
I do. I also know that over the years I have learned that there are a LOT of definitions of what people consider to be feminism.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Jul 24, 2014 23:03:57 GMT
This doesn't mean I stomp around criticising men and burning my underwear, but my expectations of equal treatment land me well and truly in the feminist category. And that is what feminism means. I am disturbed by the younger generation of women who believe that feminism is hating men, etc.
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Post by SabrinaM on Jul 24, 2014 23:06:32 GMT
No. While I believe in equal treatment etc I also believe each gender has it's own strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 24, 2014 23:07:38 GMT
This doesn't mean I stomp around criticising men and burning my underwear, but my expectations of equal treatment land me well and truly in the feminist category. And that is what feminism means. I am disturbed by the younger generation of women who believe that feminism is hating men, etc. That is exactly what I am saying...so many different definitions. being a feminist has nothing to do with hating men. To me, being a feminist means, among other things, being treated equal in all things, and being allowed to make decisions without recrimination (e.g. having/not having children, stay at home mom/working mom...)
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Post by lightetc on Jul 24, 2014 23:17:27 GMT
No. While I believe in equal treatment etc I also believe each gender has it's own strengths and weaknesses. Of course we do - but that doesn't mean you should expect less of me because of my gender. I'm an engineer - because this is a traditionally male role and because they tend to have better spatial awareness and critical thinking skills due to their biological make up does not mean I'm worse at my job, should be paid less and treated any differently. Just because our strengths are different doesn't mean we can't achieve the same outcomes. If my design drawings work just as well as the guy next to me's do then I should be paid the same regardless of the thought process involved and I certainly should not be expected to take meeting minutes by default. It also doesn't mean that when the time comes that I won't make the choice to stay home with my children. But at least it will be a choice and not a given. Knowing my grandmother had to quit work when she got married makes me grumpy. Knowing that she said "stuff the status quo" and went back to work 3 months later makes me proud.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Jul 24, 2014 23:18:02 GMT
No. While I believe in equal treatment etc I also believe each gender has it's own strengths and weaknesses. Feminism means just that: equal treatment for both genders. It isn't putting women above men.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:19:05 GMT
Yes, and I think everyone SHOULD.
Feminism is about equality between men and women. Nothing more. How can anyone NOT believe that is just beyond me. I know people will bring up all sorts of crazy fringe ideas and say they don't want to call themselves feminists because they don't want to be associated with butchy, hairy, bra-burning insane women, but that's NOT what feminism is about and I think that it does a great disservice to ALL women out there when another woman puts down feminists and feminism.
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Post by donna on Jul 24, 2014 23:26:40 GMT
No because it is impossible to treat two different genders equally. There are just some areas where no matter how hard we try, we can't be equal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:28:11 GMT
Every human is equal. No matter their sex. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:28:33 GMT
Absolutely. Proudly.
I think it's a shame that some use it like it's a dirty word. What possibly could be wrong with supporting political, social, and economic equality for women? It depresses the hell out of me that there are women who believe it's OK for women to be legally inferior to men.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 24, 2014 23:29:38 GMT
Yes, I'm a proud feminist. I have so much respect for the suffragettes because of their work I have rights! That didn't used to be the case in this country. I'm allowed a voice, a choice, rights, ownership and I'm okay being proud of my femininity.
I had a male colleague say to me once, "When you take care of the women and children, you take care of the nation." It struck a nerve with me. It isn't the white/black/yellow/red women, it's women. How can anybody think less of me because of my gender is insanity. My gifts and talents are equal. We underestimate the struggle some women have simply due to gender.
I was proud to be a feminist when in the last election, women had 51% of the vote. Might have taken a 100+ years but... It matters greatly for my daughters.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 24, 2014 23:30:33 GMT
Yes, I'm a feminist.
My father's a feminist, my brother's a feminist, my husband's a feminist and my two son's are feminists.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:31:48 GMT
No because it is impossible to treat two different genders equally. There are just some areas where no matter how hard we try, we can't be equal. So it's OK that women get paid less money for the exact same work men do?
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 24, 2014 23:32:32 GMT
No because it is impossible to treat two different genders equally. There are just some areas where no matter how hard we try, we can't be equal. Can you please elaborate? I can't see how this applies to voting rights, land ownership, salary increases, etc. I'm sure I'm missing something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:34:12 GMT
Honestly it really really bugs me when a woman can actually feel that women as a whole aren't equal. I just cannot understand that mindset and it makes me feel sorry for them. It's the epitome of beating other women down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:36:15 GMT
No because it is impossible to treat two different genders equally. There are just some areas where no matter how hard we try, we can't be equal. Is it impossible to pay men and women the same for the same work?
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Post by seikashaven on Jul 24, 2014 23:37:42 GMT
I believe my value is the same as a man, so yes. I am a feminist.
I believe that men and women are incredibly different so we will never be "equal". Perhaps I believe in equity over equality?
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Post by purplebee on Jul 24, 2014 23:37:42 GMT
This doesn't mean I stomp around criticising men and burning my underwear, but my expectations of equal treatment land me well and truly in the feminist category. And that is what feminism means. I am disturbed by the younger generation of women who believe that feminism is hating men, etc. Yes, my sentiments exactly!
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Post by Amelia Bedelia on Jul 24, 2014 23:38:41 GMT
I always think it's interesting when people say things like "I believe women should be treated equally, have equal pay, etc. Men should be active in the home so household duties and parenting doesn't fall completely on the woman's shoulders, especially when she's working also." And things like that, but then vehemently deny being a feminist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:38:53 GMT
Equal means entitled to the same rights and having equal worth/value, not that men and women are exactly the same.
To borrow a math example, the intergers 1 and -1 are absolutely DIFFERENT. But their net value is the same: |-1| = 1.
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Post by Anita on Jul 24, 2014 23:42:34 GMT
Yes. I'm shocked by some of the "definitions" of feminism.
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Post by garcia5050 on Jul 24, 2014 23:43:29 GMT
I hope this isn't taken in the wrong way, but yes, I want equal treatment and equal pay. But . . . I'm not doing anything to actively try to make this happen, short of the people I vote for based on the views they hold/things they say. I guess I'm saying that I find it hard to label myself as a feminist when I'm not an "activist" about it.
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Post by Tamhugh on Jul 24, 2014 23:44:37 GMT
I don't know. I believe in equal rights, equal opportunity, and equal pay with no regard to gender. Because of this I always considered myself a feminist. However, I raised boys. I taught them to hold doors for women and to always give up their seat to a woman. I have told them that when they get married, they should speak to the girl's family and ask for their blessing before they propose. It's these little traditional things that make my friends say that I am not really a feminist, so who knows?
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 24, 2014 23:48:01 GMT
I for one am grateful for those butchy, hairy, bra-burning insane women. If it weren't for them most of us would still be barefoot and pregnant. There would have been no change if not for the ruckus that they caused. If I were dictator I'd make a Women's History class a requirement for graduation from both High School AND college...for both genders.
Though we've made great strides towards Equal Rights for Women, we are not even close to being there yet. Every living, breathing woman should be a feminist because every living breathing woman has at some time been bared from having a choice just because they are female.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:48:04 GMT
I don't know. I believe in equal rights, equal opportunity, and equal pay with no regard to gender. Because of this I always considered myself a feminist. However, I raised boys. I taught them to hold doors for women and to always give up their seat to a woman. I have told them that when they get married, they should speak to the girl's family and ask for their blessing before they propose. It's these little traditional things that make my friends say that I am not really a feminist, so who knows? I don't find any of those things being anti-feminism. The only one I have an issue with is asking for a blessing before proposing. That makes the girl seem like property to me. My dad would've laughed if my dh had done that to be honest. But it isn't anti feminism. Heck I hold doors for people and give up my seat for the elderly or others. That's just proper human nature.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 23:54:12 GMT
This doesn't mean I stomp around criticising men and burning my underwear, but my expectations of equal treatment land me well and truly in the feminist category. And that is what feminism means. I am disturbed by the younger generation of women who believe that feminism is hating men, etc. I don't think it's just the younger generation, though. I vividly remember a time when I was in elementary school, and something must have been in the news, and a group of kids on our bus asked our bus driver if she was a feminist. Her answer was "No, I like men to hold doors for me." I don't know. I believe in equal rights, equal opportunity, and equal pay with no regard to gender. Because of this I always considered myself a feminist. However, I raised boys. I taught them to hold doors for women and to always give up their seat to a woman. I have told them that when they get married, they should speak to the girl's family and ask for their blessing before they propose. It's these little traditional things that make my friends say that I am not really a feminist, so who knows? Tamhugh, I don't think that raising your sons to act like gentlemen negates feminism in any way.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 24, 2014 23:56:30 GMT
I don't know. I believe in equal rights, equal opportunity, and equal pay with no regard to gender. Because of this I always considered myself a feminist. However, I raised boys. I taught them to hold doors for women and to always give up their seat to a woman. I have told them that when they get married, they should speak to the girl's family and ask for their blessing before they propose. It's these little traditional things that make my friends say that I am not really a feminist, so who knows? Personally, I believe in the social niceties also. I have boys that I have taught to the same things (exception being the permission before proposal thing) and many more. I am, as I say all the time, a child of the south and those are things that make for polite society in my world. These are things that make for kindnesses in the world. And, as a single mother, I also taught my boys how to cook, clean and take care of themselves without relying on me to do all the "girly" stuff and to consider that women ARE equal to them. That has made them into feminists in their own right.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 24, 2014 23:58:26 GMT
Without a doubt. My user name is that of a nineteenth century American suffragette.
Convincing women to pander to men by denying feminism ("I'm no feminist, but I believe in equal blah, blah...") was a truly remarkable snow job, and just shows how submissive (or maybe malleable?) women continue to be.
No other groups who have been been victims of discrimination (e.g. racial minorities) ever deny being civil rights advocates - maybe 'cause the leaders of their movements are invariably men?
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