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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 8, 2016 23:10:30 GMT
It's something that I've often wondered about, but never got around to asking.... Why do people in the military have to move around so much? Why can't they just stay on one base all the time? Presumably each base always has people working there, so why can't it be the same people? Surely it would make for much happier families and employees. I will admit to complete ignorance in this topic!
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Post by marimoose on Jan 8, 2016 23:58:06 GMT
My dad was military and we moved, thankfully it slowed down as I was getting older though. I never asked and assumed that it had to do with promotions but I am sure someone on here will be able to come on and share the real reason, if thata is incorrect. I will say that I thought it was awaste of money to pay to move families so often but I wasn't paying for it and simply never thought to inquire any further. I plead ignorance to and have no excuse for it.
The plus side of moving is that I saw much for of the US than any of my friends and though I hated it as a kid, it made me who I am today, easily adapting to new situations and I can talk to anyone that I stand near. I was a introverted kid who was forced to come out of my shell in my new schools or blend into the wall.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 9, 2016 0:01:36 GMT
I taught next to a military base and we got a lot of kids with military parents. During the Gulf War, I had 16 kids with one or both parents deployed. With my experience (just as a teacher), the moving around for the Army branch has become less and less. I don't know if that is true overall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 0:08:39 GMT
I don't know the real reason, but I have always assumed that it's to encourage the flexible mindset that is needed to survive deployments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 0:10:08 GMT
It's something that I've often wondered about, but never got around to asking.... Why do people in the military have to move around so much? Why can't they just stay on one base all the time? Presumably each base always has people working there, so why can't it be the same people? Surely it would make for much happier families and employees. I will admit to complete ignorance in this topic! Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? The frequent change over also means things are done "by the book" and by regulation without developing small local loyalties that could divide a national military. While there are down sides to moving frequently there are also upsides to it. My kids got to spend a few years in Italy that they remember without spending their entire childhood there. They also got to experience an assignment close to extended family. Both good experiences and both experiences I wouldn't have wanted them to miss out on one or the other.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 9, 2016 0:29:47 GMT
Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? I totally get that. I guess I was thinking more about bases in the US.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jan 9, 2016 0:33:20 GMT
It's something that I've often wondered about, but never got around to asking.... Why do people in the military have to move around so much? Why can't they just stay on one base all the time? Presumably each base always has people working there, so why can't it be the same people? Surely it would make for much happier families and employees. I will admit to complete ignorance in this topic! Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? The frequent change over also means things are done "by the book" and by regulation without developing small local loyalties that could divide a national military. While there are down sides to moving frequently there are also upsides to it. My kids got to spend a few years in Italy that they remember without spending their entire childhood there. They also got to experience an assignment close to extended family. Both good experiences and both experiences I wouldn't have wanted them to miss out on one or the other. All of this. Plus people either retire or get out of the military all the time, so others need to moved into those vacancies. There are avenues to take if a military member wants to keep their family in one place longer though, like for their kids to finish school, or having a special needs child that can only get services in certain locations. Our shortest duty station was two years in Germany, and our longest was six years in Texas. I kind of wish those had been reversed . My husband also did two individual year-long assignments in Korea, where I and the kids stayed behind.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jan 9, 2016 0:34:21 GMT
Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? I totally get that. I guess I was thinking more about bases in the US. Trust me, there are bases in the US where people wouldn't want to spend their entire military career. My dad was a 30-year submariner so we had awesome duty stations including two tours in Hawaii for a lot of my childhood. We moved there in 1955 before it was a state. Sweet memories for sure.
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Post by mellyw on Jan 9, 2016 0:46:43 GMT
Not every job is at every installation. Within the Air Force, there are a large variety of aircraft, each with it's own special needs. While they can all (mostly) share runways, the wear & tear will be different say from a F-15 to a C-5. The local population & what's built around the base is also a consideration.
That's only with Air Force aircraft. We have survival training bases in different regions to simulate a variety of conditions. Training in the American Northwest isn't going to prepare for desert conditions So instructors will move between those bases to keep *their* training sharp.
My DH worked within the communications area his last 10 years. Just within that career field, certain bases have mobile communications, who deploy to war zones. Burn out could be fairly high, so you switch to another area of communications, which usually meant a move to another base with that type of job.
And the always present complacency. It effects us all so moving even within the vast U.S will keep you sharper. Also Volt makes a damn good point, being stuck somewhere you don't like is Hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 0:52:42 GMT
Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? I totally get that. I guess I was thinking more about bases in the US. Even in the US there are bases/duty people don't want to be stuck with long term. But, you can't view it in the vacuum of bases in the US and bases overseas because the overseas bases have to be filled by US citizens. What happens to overseas bases has a major impact on what happens to bases on the continent. They are all part of the same military. So, Joe goes to Iraq because that is what is open when he leaves boot camp. He does a year there. The govt recognizes it is not good to leave service members in high stress jobs longer than that (another reason to move people is to relieve them of high stress jobs) But to move Joe to a base on the continent someone else has to leave to make room for him to arrive. How do you propose to do that and allow everyone the right to stay where they are? Also, you can't staff unfavorable places with all newly enlisted.. those newly enlisted need some upper enlisted and officers to lead them. So, your dh is now an upper enlisted and gets tagged to go.. how long do you want him to stay?
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 9, 2016 1:00:16 GMT
Good points, thanks for the replies. It must be a tough life in a lot of ways, but there are rewards too, such as: The plus side of moving is that I saw much for of the US than any of my friends and though I hated it as a kid, it made me who I am today, easily adapting to new situations and I can talk to anyone that I stand near. I was a introverted kid who was forced to come out of my shell in my new schools or blend into the wall.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 9, 2016 1:01:13 GMT
Not every job is at every installation. Within the Air Force, there are a large variety of aircraft, each with it's own special needs. While they can all (mostly) share runways, the wear & tear will be different say from a F-15 to a C-5. The local population & what's built around the base is also a consideration. And the always present complacency. It effects us all so moving even within the vast U.S will keep you sharper. Also Volt makes a damn good point, being stuck somewhere you don't like is Hell. I was thinking of that too, different jobs/needs on different assignments. We were in Great Lakes because that is where the boot camp is, dh couldn't be a recruit commander in Washington because we didn't have a boot camp. Also in the Navy you don't do all your time at sea, you rotate between sea duty and shore duty.
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Post by elaine on Jan 9, 2016 1:08:27 GMT
Because there are bases were no one (or few) want to be for a long period. If everyone stayed long term where they wanted to be the unsavory assignments would be hung on someone long term too. Someone would get stuck for years away from spouse/kids or extended family, for instance, who do you know what would want to spend 20 years on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq just because that is what was available when they first came out of boot camp? I totally get that. I guess I was thinking more about bases in the US. Minot AFB in North Dakota is not a popular assignment. There are a number of US bases that are less desireable than others. We are a diverse country, and some bases are located in harsher climates in terms of temperature (hot OR cold) and humidity (swampy vs. so dry your glued furniture falls apart due to drying out).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 1:14:38 GMT
I totally get that. I guess I was thinking more about bases in the US. Minot AFB in North Dakota is not a popular assignment. There are a number of US bases that are less desirable than others. We are a diverse country, and some bases are located in harsher climates in terms of temperature (hot OR cold) and humidity (swampy vs. so dry your glued furniture falls apart due to drying out). Or surprisingly, Hawaii! One of the most sought after assignment (paradise!) But also one people are typically ready to leave because it is so remote. Travel to see family is insanely expensive and LONG and there is no way to take a road trip in the car. Many people end up with "rock fever" and ready to go some place else well before their three years is up. It is a fabulous place to vacation but when you start looking at school systems for your child's education it can be very inadequate compared to the educational systems on the east coast/New England areas.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 9, 2016 1:40:20 GMT
We have 10 moves in 16 years. We most commonly moved do to a promotion (job wasn't available for his rank) or a school (4). Plus, it builds experience. Since he can't do all jobs at one installation, moving has created a well rounded military member with varied experience.
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Post by elaine on Jan 9, 2016 1:43:39 GMT
Minot AFB in North Dakota is not a popular assignment. There are a number of US bases that are less desirable than others. We are a diverse country, and some bases are located in harsher climates in terms of temperature (hot OR cold) and humidity (swampy vs. so dry your glued furniture falls apart due to drying out). Or surprisingly, Hawaii! One of the most sought after assignment (paradise!) But also one people are typically ready to leave because it is so remote. Travel to see family is insanely expensive and LONG and there is no way to take a road trip in the car. Many people end up with "rock fever" and ready to go some place else well before their three years is up. It is a fabulous place to vacation but when you start looking at school systems for your child's education it can be very inadequate compared to the educational systems on the east coast/New England areas. Yes! While 19 and in college in CA, I decided if I had to live and work somewhere during the summer, that I'd rather do it in HI, than in Los Angeles. So, I went to Waikiki, rented a studio apartment and got a job as a cocktail waitress (drinking age was still 18 in HI back then) in a bar that was frequented mostly by GIs. I loved that job, because the boys were so nice to me - most of them away were the farthest away from home that they had ever been and just longing for a smiling face and a conversation. Many were extremely homesick. With my kids' needs - we were in the EFM Program - we never pursued a billet there because it wouldn't have worked for them.
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Post by ten&rose on Jan 9, 2016 2:05:35 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring.
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Post by Daikon on Jan 9, 2016 2:16:35 GMT
My dad was promoted so his promotions would be located on other bases or ships. He was in food service so he would be in the stationed on galleys on the ships when he first enlisted. Once he moved up he was stationed in the mess halls on the base. He retired from the Navy working in the Officer's Club.
One of the plus sides of my dad being Navy was that we were always stationed near the ocean. We stayed put for 3 years at the most and well that sucked.
I was fortunate to experience so much in such a little time. I have lived all over the East Coast. I have met so many people, and tried so many things that many of my classmates never got to experience. I am thankful for my experiences now.
As a kid I hated moving around a lot and always having to make new friends. After awhile I gave up even trying to make new friends. My dad retired when I was 10 so we left the ocean behind and headed back to NY. To this day I don't like to stay put, I adapt well to changes and I love to travel.
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Post by Daikon on Jan 9, 2016 2:23:25 GMT
Minot AFB in North Dakota is not a popular assignment. There are a number of US bases that are less desirable than others. We are a diverse country, and some bases are located in harsher climates in terms of temperature (hot OR cold) and humidity (swampy vs. so dry your glued furniture falls apart due to drying out). Or surprisingly, Hawaii! One of the most sought after assignment (paradise!) But also one people are typically ready to leave because it is so remote. Travel to see family is insanely expensive and LONG and there is no way to take a road trip in the car. Many people end up with "rock fever" and ready to go some place else well before their three years is up. It is a fabulous place to vacation but when you start looking at school systems for your child's education it can be very inadequate compared to the educational systems on the east coast/New England areas. I attended New England schools as a military kid. My education there surpassed any I received in another location. I actually sat through the last part of 5th grade when my father retired to New York. Rhode Island was so far ahead of the curriculum compared to New York. I was learning foreign language and advanced math and science in Rhode Island. New York didn't we wouldn't even start till junior high in NY. They didn't know what to do with me for 3 months. Needless to say, I started schools in the South and I was a mess by the time I got to Rhode Island.
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Post by moodyblue on Jan 9, 2016 2:26:32 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring. What does PCS mean?
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 9, 2016 2:29:00 GMT
Permanent Change of Station.
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Post by elaine on Jan 9, 2016 2:32:25 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring. What does PCS mean? Fancy term for when they assign you to another job and/or base/location. They call it a 'permanent" change of station, but permanent in the military means 1 year or more.
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Post by moodyblue on Jan 9, 2016 2:32:59 GMT
Permanent Change of Station. Thanks! I've seen this many times here, but never knew what it stood for although I kind of knew it meant a move.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 9, 2016 2:39:06 GMT
And some jobs are very limited in where you can go so the longer you are in you just rotate between those few places. Being in the Air Force taught me how to start over in a place where I didn't know anyone. It's the one skill that has served me well in my work life. I can go anywhere and jump right in with confidence.
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 9, 2016 2:47:50 GMT
Some families never have to move or maybe only once. It depends on the military person's job, their desire to apply for other tours of duty to increase promotion potential. Some people are stationed places they don't like and put in for other assignments to a more desireable location.
It depends on many factors but I have known many families who have been at one base the entire time and when/if the military member takes a remote tour they request to go back to the same base where they were where the family remained.
Other people have jobs that do require moving around. But for example if you work with missiles you are only going to be stationed where there are missiles. If you work on a certain plane engine you are only going to go where that plane is flown. If you are a heart surgeon you are only going to be stationed where there are large enough medical centers to have a cardiac unit.
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Post by meridon on Jan 9, 2016 3:15:01 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring. I have no idea what any of this means.
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Post by elaine on Jan 9, 2016 3:22:01 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring. I have no idea what any of this means. LT = lieutenant CPT - captain MAJ - major LTC = lieutenant colonel PCS = permanent change of station - in civilian speak, a transfer In terms of seniority from lowest to higher rank for officers in Air Force, Army, and Marines (different for enlisted and Navy) - lieutenant is at the bottom, then captain, then major, then lieutenant colonel, then colonel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 3:28:42 GMT
From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT many less for a CPT, only 2 for MAJ and one for an LTC and nothing for any ranks higher. We are at our 3rd duty station currently. DH has already PCSd to the 4th and we'll join him in the spring. I have no idea what any of this means. From an officer stand point in a battalion there are lots of jobs for a LT (LT = lieutenant which is the lowest entry level officer rank) many less for a CPT (CPT = Captain, somewhat higher rank then the lieutenant which they have expected some to choose to get out of the military to pursue other life goals, some be injured etc) only 2 for MAJ (MAJ = Major the rank above Captain.. and some will get out for various reasons, be forced out or have their career stagnant where they can't get a promotion) LTC is a Lieutenant Colonel which is above a Major... at every rank up there are fewer positions available so fewer people get promotions. THey are going to take on the jobs no one wants to earn something akin to a resume in hopes of being worth to promote. PCSd means a "permanent change of station" The dh has moved and the family will be joining him in the spring (I assume after the end of school to keep from disrupting a school year for the kids. It is a choice many families make)
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Post by mom2rjcr on Jan 9, 2016 3:30:55 GMT
My dad was in the Air Force. We had moved 5 times by the time I was 10. Some places he was stationed at longer than others. He was a doctor, so that limited where he could be stationed. I remember how worried he was that we would have to move to Minot, ND, because they needed a dermatologist to fill a spot. Turns out we didn't end up in Minot, but he ended up going to Southeast Asia during the last two years of the Vietnam War. I think we might have preferred Minot. LOL
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Post by compwalla on Jan 9, 2016 4:11:54 GMT
The basic idea behind moving so much is so that local practices don't become entrenched. When you leave the same people there year after year they tend to develop their own ways of doing things and the longer that goes on the farther it strays from standards. When you keep rotating people then that tends to happen less.
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