IAmUnoriginal
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jan 12, 2016 21:25:34 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Jan 12, 2016 21:46:34 GMT
Well, unfortunately, if the boats 'drifted' into Iranian waters as the article says, then detaining them, investigating and releasing is the expected action. It's the least the US would do.
Unless the crew is treated poorly or they don't release them, or something I can't find fault with that action. It's what sovereign nations do when a craft enters their water without permission.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 12, 2016 21:50:44 GMT
This seems like a fairly straight forward non story.
Two boats strayed into Iranian waters, were detained, we apologized, they're being released.
Is there anything to even discuss here?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 21:54:24 GMT
Go ahead...poke the dragon.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Jan 12, 2016 21:58:00 GMT
I agree with the above. We would do the same here. So long as they release them as they have stated they will there shouldn't be an issue.
Its very likely that my son knows at least one of these sailors, if not more than one. He's on USS Harry S Truman and thats where they currently are, so I would guess maybe these 10 are off of Truman.. Its a bit nerve racking, but hopefully they will release and such and there won't be any problems. I'm fairly confident that my son is not one of the 10, he's nuclear and typically stays in the bottom of the carrier, there's not any reason why he would have been on a smaller boat doing a training mission(or whatever they were doing) but I bet the mommas of sailors it could potentially be are on edge.. again hopefully the release will go without issue.
but then. Iran did fire a "test rocket" in the direction of Truman the week before Christmas, in International waters, and after only issuing a 23 second warning.. so lets hope they aren't up to causing trouble and this doesn't escalate. They'll be biting off more than they want that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 22:37:55 GMT
The Iranians saying they will release our sailors and them actually doing it are two different things. I will be shocked if they don't hang to them for as long as they can or use them as bargaining chips in some way.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 12, 2016 22:52:52 GMT
but I bet the mommas of sailors it could potentially be are on edge.. again hopefully the release will go without issue. My son is there as well and on the VBSS team for his ship, so...
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Post by gracieplusthree on Jan 12, 2016 23:01:22 GMT
but I bet the mommas of sailors it could potentially be are on edge.. again hopefully the release will go without issue. My son is there as well and on the VBSS team for his ship, so... I don't know what a VBSS team is,but I hope your son is safe and that the 10 are released back without event soon!>
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Post by anonrefugee on Jan 12, 2016 23:16:38 GMT
Well, I chose the wrong day to not have TV news playing in the background! At least I was in the car catching NPR, but apparently not all news stories!
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 12, 2016 23:19:20 GMT
VBSS is Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure -- basically a first responder team for his ship if they get boarded or they have to interdict another ship. I've seen pictures of my son on those "small boat" vessels like they are talking about. Makes for a nervous mama. Thank you gracieplusthree for your good wishes. I'll keep your son in my thoughts as well.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 12, 2016 23:24:20 GMT
VBSS is Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure -- basically a first responder team for his ship if they get boarded or they have to interdict another ship. I've seen pictures of my son on those "small boat" vessels like they are talking about. Makes for a nervous mama. Thank you gracieplusthree for your good wishes. I'll keep your son in my thoughts as well. I was just reading about this and thought about you and yours. I am also hoping that your son is safe and sound.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 12, 2016 23:36:42 GMT
My son is there as well and on the VBSS team for his ship, so... I don't know what a VBSS team is,but I hope your son is safe and that the 10 are released back without event soon!> yeah that!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 17:56:09 GMT
Diplomacy at it's finest. I'm sure the President's critics are a little disappointed that they can't use this incident against the President. Boo hoo.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jan 13, 2016 18:35:44 GMT
The Iranians saying they will release our sailors and them actually doing it are two different things. I will be shocked if they don't hang to them for as long as they can or use them as bargaining chips in some way. I'm so glad that you think so highly of where my family is from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 18:37:51 GMT
The Iranians saying they will release our sailors and them actually doing it are two different things. I will be shocked if they don't hang to them for as long as they can or use them as bargaining chips in some way. I'm so glad that you think so highly of where my family is from.This has nothing to do with your family, and I'm sorry you jumped to that conclusion. It's not about the Iranian people, but about their government. I'm basing my comments on the extremely tense and hostile history between the US and Iran.
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Post by gar on Jan 14, 2016 8:01:54 GMT
I'm so glad that you think so highly of where my family is from. This has nothing to do with your family, and I'm sorry you jumped to that conclusion. It's not about the Iranian people, but about their government. I'm basing my comments on the extremely tense and hostile history between the US and Iran. I thought the relations between you and the Iranian government were good at the moment.....aren't sanctions about to be lifted? Anyway it seems your sailors have been swiftly released and all's well. Good news.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jan 14, 2016 9:20:15 GMT
The Iranians saying they will release our sailors and them actually doing it are two different things. I will be shocked if they don't hang to them for as long as they can or use them as bargaining chips in some way. They were released yesterday, the 13th, just hours after the incursion happened. Iran said, in a press statement, they didn't suspect them of spying and the incursion was unintentional. After release the sailors made a video saying that it was a mistake and their fault and that their craft had broken down. So all over in a very limited time and no bargaining involved.
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Post by gypsymama on Jan 14, 2016 9:29:40 GMT
amazing how different people percieve the same set of events
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Post by gar on Jan 14, 2016 9:48:55 GMT
amazing how different people percieve the same set of events Probably down to how it's reported?
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Post by dockmaster on Jan 14, 2016 13:41:49 GMT
That video was not made after they were released. Just sayin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 13:55:35 GMT
The video is a violation of the Geneva conventions. Iran just humiliated us, is using the video as propaganda, and John fricking Kerry comes out praising them.
What a bunch of weak, feckless, jackasses we have running this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:11:21 GMT
This has nothing to do with your family, and I'm sorry you jumped to that conclusion. It's not about the Iranian people, but about their government. I'm basing my comments on the extremely tense and hostile history between the US and Iran. I thought the relations between you and the Iranian government were good at the moment.....aren't sanctions about to be lifted? Anyway it seems your sailors have been swiftly released and all's well. Good news. I don't know that I'd call them good. It's only been a few weeks since the Iranians conducted "live fire exercises" on a US warship in international waters. They're definitely testing us and our allies prior to the sanctions being lifted. Once the sanctions are gone, they'll have no motivation to play nice. Diplomacy works when there's something to back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:14:04 GMT
The Iranians saying they will release our sailors and them actually doing it are two different things. I will be shocked if they don't hang to them for as long as they can or use them as bargaining chips in some way. They were released yesterday, the 13th, just hours after the incursion happened. Iran said, in a press statement, they didn't suspect them of spying and the incursion was unintentional. After release the sailors made a video saying that it was a mistake and their fault and that their craft had broken down. So all over in a very limited time and no bargaining involved. The video was made by the Iranians while the American sailors were being held prisoner. It's clear to me the sailor speaking in the video was only repeating words he'd been told to say. The US government has denied issuing an apology of its own, though Iran claims we did.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 14, 2016 14:16:39 GMT
The video is a violation of the Geneva conventions. Iran just humiliated us, is using the video as propaganda, and John fricking Kerry comes out praising them. What a bunch of weak, feckless, jackasses we have running this country. There's the crazy I was waiting for! Yep, let's cause an international disaster and go to war because someone says they feel embarrassed. That's mature and prudent and wise and strong! That's exactly what I want from the leadership of this country. Screw all this peaceful, calm resolution stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 14:21:51 GMT
The video is a violation of the Geneva conventions. Iran just humiliated us, is using the video as propaganda, and John fricking Kerry comes out praising them. What a bunch of weak, feckless, jackasses we have running this country. In what way? I wasn't aware that the US was at war or involved in any armed conflict with Iran. The Geneva Convention are rules of international humanitarian law in armed conflicts. I'm guessing and probably very near the truth having read your post, that Iran was putting on record what actually happened and how exactly they reacted so that no " guessing" or any baseless accusations be made against them. And not that it matters to you but I think John Kerry handled the situation very well........it's called diplomacy!
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Post by myshelly on Jan 14, 2016 14:49:42 GMT
The video is a violation of the Geneva conventions. Iran just humiliated us, is using the video as propaganda, and John fricking Kerry comes out praising them. What a bunch of weak, feckless, jackasses we have running this country. In what way? I wasn't aware that the US was at war or involved in any armed conflict with Iran. The Geneva Convention are rules of international humanitarian law in armed conflicts. I'm guessing and probably very near the truth having read your post, that Iran was putting on record what actually happened and how exactly they reacted so that no " guessing" or any baseless accusations be made against them. And not that it matters to you but I think John Kerry handled the situation very well........it's called diplomacy! I agree with you. But this is how the crazy far right is spinning this here in the U.S. - this successful use of peaceful diplomacy somehow means this administration is weak and bad. This incident was somehow an insult to Americans and we should have responded with armed action,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 15:04:36 GMT
In what way? I wasn't aware that the US was at war or involved in any armed conflict with Iran. The Geneva Convention are rules of international humanitarian law in armed conflicts. I'm guessing and probably very near the truth having read your post, that Iran was putting on record what actually happened and how exactly they reacted so that no " guessing" or any baseless accusations be made against them. And not that it matters to you but I think John Kerry handled the situation very well........it's called diplomacy! I agree with you. But this is how the crazy far right is spinning this here in the U.S. - this successful use of peaceful diplomacy somehow means this administration is weak and bad. This incident was somehow an insult to Americans and we should have responded with armed action,
How sad Peace in this world will be a very long time coming if too many think that way.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 14, 2016 15:05:21 GMT
In what way? I wasn't aware that the US was at war or involved in any armed conflict with Iran. The Geneva Convention are rules of international humanitarian law in armed conflicts. I'm guessing and probably very near the truth having read your post, that Iran was putting on record what actually happened and how exactly they reacted so that no " guessing" or any baseless accusations be made against them. And not that it matters to you but I think John Kerry handled the situation very well........it's called diplomacy! I agree with you. But this is how the crazy far right is spinning this here in the U.S. - this successful use of peaceful diplomacy somehow means this administration is weak and bad. This incident was somehow an insult to Americans and we should have responded with armed action, I agree also. For a country where people {supposedly} get too offended over straight talking and reasonable actions, there seems to be some that are pushing the hypocritical realm.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 14, 2016 15:23:44 GMT
I agree with you. But this is how the crazy far right is spinning this here in the U.S. - this successful use of peaceful diplomacy somehow means this administration is weak and bad. This incident was somehow an insult to Americans and we should have responded with armed action,
How sad Peace in this world will be a very long time coming if too many think that way. I absolutely agree. That's why opinions like @lynlam's scare me so much.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jan 14, 2016 15:27:40 GMT
They were released yesterday, the 13th, just hours after the incursion happened. Iran said, in a press statement, they didn't suspect them of spying and the incursion was unintentional. After release the sailors made a video saying that it was a mistake and their fault and that their craft had broken down. So all over in a very limited time and no bargaining involved. The video was made by the Iranians while the American sailors were being held prisoner. It's clear to me the sailor speaking in the video was only repeating words he'd been told to say. The US government has denied issuing an apology of its own, though Iran claims we did. That sailor is also now being investigated if he broke military Code of Conduct. He may face his own set of problems for reading those words.
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