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Post by bc2ca on Jan 19, 2016 23:28:15 GMT
What is the point of posting this deal here? Seriously good question, why post this topic and why link to the blog unless your goal is to start a smack war .
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 0:05:10 GMT
I understand and I'm not mad at you gigibunbun. It's just an unfortunate series of events perpetuated by truly hateful, small minded, intolerant bullies. Thank you, very gracious of you!
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Post by meridon on Jan 20, 2016 2:36:11 GMT
I read a bunch of the comments over there, and at first I was sad. Their lives must be miserable if they have that much hate for scrapbookers. I mean come on. But then I thought about it, and they obviously think THEY are perfect. They must get off on cutting other people down. Totally ridiculous. Bye Felicia. Bye Felicia for the win! Seriously, Tracie, I listen to the Scrap Gals pretty regularly and you and Tiffany come across as completely genuine to me. What craziness. So glad you're not letting it get to you too much. I also get that it's human nature to see what others are posting and I'd also have a hard time overcoming the temptation to look every now and again. I have a very low threshold for that kind of thing, which is why I don't do social media at all. No FB or Instagram or Twitter for me. Just this place!
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Jan 20, 2016 3:22:03 GMT
I read a bunch of the comments over there, and at first I was sad. Their lives must be miserable if they have that much hate for scrapbookers. I mean come on. But then I thought about it, and they obviously think THEY are perfect. They must get off on cutting other people down. Totally ridiculous. Bye Felicia. Bye Felicia for the win! Seriously, Tracie, I listen to the Scrap Gals pretty regularly and you and Tiffany come across as completely genuine to me. What craziness. So glad you're not letting it get to you too much. I also get that it's human nature to see what others are posting and I'd also have a hard time overcoming the temptation to look every now and again. I have a very low threshold for that kind of thing, which is why I don't do social media at all. No FB or Instagram or Twitter for me. Just this place! Thank you. You are a smart girl. I would give up social media altogether if I didn't rely on it to grow my business. I appreciate your kindness.
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guess
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Post by guess on Jan 20, 2016 6:20:26 GMT
I have to jump in here- I own the blog in question. I admit that not all the comments are what I would want, but the one thing I promised when I started that blog a very long time ago was that no comment would be removed-since then I did amend that promise to make an exception for comments concerning children. The reason why I made that promise was that there was no place where anyone could go to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without comments being deleted, threads disappearing or people having their accounts deactivated. Why was that happening? Because the all the existing boards belonged to companies that did business with each other, or the boards sold ads so they could not afford to make enemies of the companies because they needed the ad revenue.
Even today it's hard to know when you are getting an honest opinion of a new product or not. So many "average" people make money or get product from the companies they talk about on their blogs. It's just a way of life.
As far as readers go- I average 2000 unique page views a day, not a lot for a blog that's been around as long as mine, but a lot for a blog that no one will admit to reading. On "good" days I may hit about 5000.
I have never discussed who reads or who doesn't read or who comments there, even though some people have actually contacted me directly, and I am not going to discuss any individual person today. I do however think it's interesting that most people who post about being discussed on the blog have been sent there to read it by their friends, no one ever admits to visiting on a regular basis and no one ever admits to posting there.
If you don't like the blog don't read it. I don't care one way or the other.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 20, 2016 6:32:32 GMT
THANK YOU for showing your colors, you sound EXACTLY like a few of those not very nice posters. I have no ulterior motives, you'll have to take me at my word for that, just like you want people to take your word for not being "one of those" smackers. I said my reason for posting, and it is true. When you say that you are horrified and a line was crossed on the behavior of the smackers (regarding Mrs Tyler) and you continue to participate and support it giving it attention, as one of the anonymous ones, when all are anonymous--then you all become one. That blog stopped being "scrap related" a long while ago. I hate that blog, don't post there anymore since it has become such a cesspool of personal attacking. I figured that if I kept posting, supporting that ugliness by even posting to it, then I was no better than any of them, because it keeps that blog alive. It CAN start with one voice to stop that madness. (I don't think I am alone in my belief either) You don't think smack hurts people, then you are an ice cube. There are people, real people attached to the vile things that they say there. Those people have feelings and do not deserve the crap that they spout off. You are quite prone to dramatics, aren't you? I have been nothing but respectful toward you. Disagreement is not the same as being disrespectful. I'm curious as to what you think you are going to accomplish here. So far, all you have done is: 1. Lead people to the "cesspool of personal attacking" that you never visit but are quite worked up about; 2. Remind mzza111 of what a good spreadsheet keeper you are; 3. Call attention to Tracie's supposed haters; and, 4. Make unfounded accusations toward those of us who admit reading the blog. Do you think that the people who go on those crazy rants at the smack blog are going to read your comments here and change their behavior? What are you hoping to accomplish? Also, I'm curious. You say you stopped visiting there, so why did you suddenly decide to go on a crusade against the blog? Why all this interest, now, when you no longer visit there? When did you decide to have a conscience about this matter?
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 15:27:44 GMT
THANK YOU for showing your colors, you sound EXACTLY like a few of those not very nice posters. I have no ulterior motives, you'll have to take me at my word for that, just like you want people to take your word for not being "one of those" smackers. I said my reason for posting, and it is true. When you say that you are horrified and a line was crossed on the behavior of the smackers (regarding Mrs Tyler) and you continue to participate and support it giving it attention, as one of the anonymous ones, when all are anonymous--then you all become one. That blog stopped being "scrap related" a long while ago. I hate that blog, don't post there anymore since it has become such a cesspool of personal attacking. I figured that if I kept posting, supporting that ugliness by even posting to it, then I was no better than any of them, because it keeps that blog alive. It CAN start with one voice to stop that madness. (I don't think I am alone in my belief either) You don't think smack hurts people, then you are an ice cube. There are people, real people attached to the vile things that they say there. Those people have feelings and do not deserve the crap that they spout off. You are quite prone to dramatics, aren't you? I have been nothing but respectful toward you. Disagreement is not the same as being disrespectful. I'm curious as to what you think you are going to accomplish here. So far, all you have done is: 1. Lead people to the "cesspool of personal attacking" that you never visit but are quite worked up about; 2. Remind mzza111 of what a good spreadsheet keeper you are; 3. Call attention to Tracie's supposed haters; and, 4. Make unfounded accusations toward those of us who admit reading the blog. Do you think that the people who go on those crazy rants at the smack blog are going to read your comments here and change their behavior? What are you hoping to accomplish? Also, I'm curious. You say you stopped visiting there, so why did you suddenly decide to go on a crusade against the blog? Why all this interest, now, when you no longer visit there? When did you decide to have a conscience about this matter? 1. you keep insisting that I have never visited-again not true no matter how many times you keep saying it. Being worked up over the personal attacks is a normal reaction, one would think, no? 2. Not a spreadsheet keeper at all. It took me all of 5 minutes to gather that info. You forget, I mentioned I was a pea for a long, long time. I do remember things and people. It was publicly posted and I gave the example when mzza111 posted negatively (word for word) here what was posted on the smack as to how easy it is for someone to find out about another. 3. The haters draw attention to themselves with the hateful comments that they made. 4. Unfounded accusations? I think not. I don't even know what you are insinuating regarding this one. I have not made accusations towards anyone. 5. Yes, I think the people who go on the crazy rants will read any comments here, that has already been established. As for changing their despicable behavior, that would be great! I posted more than once why I even posted to start. These people who post such awful things need to be reminded that there is a human being with feelings on the end of their attacking. Maybe-just maybe that will be enough to sway them into thinking twice before posting such personal garbage. 6. I did stop posting there. I read there just a few days ago. I have not liked the personal attacks at all, they are not warranted, are horribly mean and really uncalled for. It was not some epiphany or anything, it is just wrong. You keep inserting YOUR words about me not having visited there, you need to stop saying that I am saying it, because that is just not true, it is YOU saying it. I am honestly shocked that people find that it's okay to be attacking people like that. It is not. It is not okay for anyone to say the stuff that they have, I have not just suddenly developed a conscience for it, I am just sick of the horrible stuff that they write. No crusade, just one person speaking out against what seems to be normal in some circles. It is NOT okay to body shame, personally attack someone for their looks, their religion, their families, their spouses. People can Google a persons name and see all that crap. It needs to stop. Honestly it surprises me that people are so mean, that they take the time and effort to attack that way. I just cannot fathom the place that these people come from to be that ugly and vile.
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 15:38:14 GMT
I have to jump in here- I own the blog in question. I admit that not all the comments are what I would want, but the one thing I promised when I started that blog a very long time ago was that no comment would be removed-since then I did amend that promise to make an exception for comments concerning children. The reason why I made that promise was that there was no place where anyone could go to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without comments being deleted, threads disappearing or people having their accounts deactivated. Why was that happening? Because the all the existing boards belonged to companies that did business with each other, or the boards sold ads so they could not afford to make enemies of the companies because they needed the ad revenue. Even today it's hard to know when you are getting an honest opinion of a new product or not. So many "average" people make money or get product from the companies they talk about on their blogs. It's just a way of life. As far as readers go- I average 2000 unique page views a day, not a lot for a blog that's been around as long as mine, but a lot for a blog that no one will admit to reading. On "good" days I may hit about 5000. I have never discussed who reads or who doesn't read or who comments there, even though some people have actually contacted me directly, and I am not going to discuss any individual person today. I do however think it's interesting that most people who post about being discussed on the blog have been sent there to read it by their friends, no one ever admits to visiting on a regular basis and no one ever admits to posting there. If you don't like the blog don't read it. I don't care one way or the other. You must be so proud to claim ownership of such a mean place where body shaming, lies, deeply personal insults, telling people to just die already, religious and ethnic bashing are a weekly thing. And I don't think that your statement is true in this thread that "most people who post about being discussed on the blog....no one ever admits visiting/posting..." because those posting on this thread they admit to doing so, no one has claimed (here) that they have not. While I understand the idea of having the blog in the beginning, that reason is a total wash now. It is NOT okay to cyber bully and bash people in the manner that the posters of the blog do. It is NOT okay to make up lies about people and run with them just because they can. It is NOT okay to personally attack people because they look a certain way, are a member of a specific religion or race. I find it strange that you seem proud to be the owner/creator of a blog where the purpose is to body shame women, personally attack them, lie about them, and allow that behavior to continue. That's not a badge of honor, it is a disgrace.
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Post by tracyarts on Jan 20, 2016 16:57:53 GMT
The reason why I made that promise was that there was no place where anyone could go to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without comments being deleted, threads disappearing or people having their accounts deactivated. Why was that happening? Because the all the existing boards belonged to companies that did business with each other, or the boards sold ads so they could not afford to make enemies of the companies because they needed the ad revenue. Oh bullshit. If your "promise" was all about providing a place to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without any kind of corporate blowback, that's the kind of place you'd be providing. You enjoy the excitement of all of the cringeworthy overgrown mean girl drama and the chance to be the woman/man behind the curtain who makes it all happen. You come here and blow smoke up our asses by saying that you don't moderate your blog (except when it comes to kids) not because you want to run a hate forum, but because you nobly want to offer a place to speak freely because scrapbookers deserve to have their opinions about products and companies heard. Do you really think that we're stupid enough to buy that? I hope you don't because, honestly, that's pretty delusional. You think it distances yourself from the ugliness because you claim to just let it happen, instead of actively promoting it? There's no difference but you're too cowardly to acknowledge that and own it. As it is now, your blog has turned into something embarrassing. It's not edgy or rebellious. Fail and cringe are the two words that come to mind. It's what you expect from teenagers and basement dwellers. It's actually kind of a joke. But maybe you're in on the joke and are laughing just as hard at the people who comment on your blog as other people do? If you want to run a hate space, admit that you do and own it and go about your business with it. But don't try and pretend that you have to allow it to be a hate space because "freedom of speech" because that's just hilarious.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Jan 20, 2016 17:03:47 GMT
Gigibunbun, you are a hypocrite. You are just so busy being self righteous that you can't see it. You admit to visiting the blog regularly, but you've only now decided that it's wrong. But now that you've decided that it's wrong for you, you think you have the right to come here and act all high and mighty.
My guess is that you're someone who regularly reads and posts at the blog and you are all bent out of shape because you read something about yourself there.
You refuse to see how hypocritical your behavior is, and you are completely over the top about the blog. Are there nasty people there? Yes. But there are a lot of other comments that you are ignoring. Not everything there is hateful, and you just come off as hysterical when you say the things you do about that place.
Stay away from the blog from now on. Don't read, don't post, don't effing visit, not even so your pure little heart can read the ugliness but not participate in it. Your long diatribes here do NOTHING except show your hypocrisy and tendency to exaggerate.
Oh, and since you don't seem to understand what I am saying, I will lay it out clearly: I understand that you visit the blog regularly. That's what makes your newfound conscience laughable.
Every comment at the blog isn't evil, but I think you know that. You are just upset because someone smacked you personally and you don't have the guts to own it.
That's the reason for the fake user id, imo. You're afraid of being found out because then it'll be obvious that you're upset because you got smacked. Why don't you tell us your real name since you are all about truth and integrity?
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inkedup
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by inkedup on Jan 20, 2016 17:14:11 GMT
For the record, I am not so heavily invested in the blog that I feel the need to defend it. To be honest, I don't visit it all that often. I checked it out yesterday (thanks for the link, gigibunbun), but I can't remember the last time I checked it otherwise.
What does bother me, though, is the fact that Tracie and gigibunbun both readily admit that they actively read there until just a couple of days ago, until they decided to grow a conscience and come here and hand slap the people who engage in....the exact same behavior that Tracie and gigibunbun were engaging in until just recently.
Tracie and gigibunbun were rolling around in the blog dirt until just a few days ago, but now they're clean enough to come here and point fingers at others? Or does it not count when they visit the blog because they say it doesn't count?
Yes, there are a few people who post awful comments at the blog. There are people all over the internet who like to stir things up. There are also many people who dislike and disagree with the posters who attack others personally.
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 18:07:06 GMT
Gigibunbun, you are a hypocrite. You are just so busy being self righteous that you can't see it. You admit to visiting the blog regularly, but you've only now decided that it's wrong. But now that you've decided that it's wrong for you, you think you have the right to come here and act all high and mighty. My guess is that you're someone who regularly reads and posts at the blog and you are all bent out of shape because you read something about yourself there. You refuse to see how hypocritical your behavior is, and you are completely over the top about the blog. Are there nasty people there? Yes. But there are a lot of other comments that you are ignoring. Not everything there is hateful, and you just come off as hysterical when you say the things you do about that place. Stay away from the blog from now on. Don't read, don't post, don't effing visit, not even so your pure little heart can read the ugliness but not participate in it. Your long diatribes here do NOTHING except show your hypocrisy and tendency to exaggerate. Oh, and since you don't seem to understand what I am saying, I will lay it out clearly: I understand that you visit the blog regularly. That's what makes your newfound conscience laughable. Every comment at the blog isn't evil, but I think you know that. You are just upset because someone smacked you personally and you don't have the guts to own it. That's the reason for the fake user id, imo. You're afraid of being found out because then it'll be obvious that you're upset because you got smacked. Why don't you tell us your real name since you are all about truth and integrity? You can say what you want, STILL does not make it true. I have not been the target of anyone on that blog. You are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. Wasn't it you accusing me of being "accusatory" without a benefit of the doubt? You don't bother to read the posts instead you just are posting what you think you read and it is off by a mile. You have made a lot of accusations that are so off that it is laughable. I wrote, more than once that I posted under a new ID because I did not want the smackers to target me and attack me like they have others. Shit, look at what you are doing to me here!!!! it has nothing to do with truth or integrity because that is a characteristic that most smackers lack when they are on the attack. You ARE one of "those" smackers== You think that the garbage that you right is free speech, that you are somehow justified in your actions. And because it is not as painfully obvious to you as it is to others, I don't care about the smack that has to do with bad service or bad products. That was never the issue, that was never the reason for the OP. It was all about a bunch of people who are just mean girls, attacking personally, cyber bullying, lying. If you are okay with yourself posting there and participating in that then that is all about you. YOU can be part of that mean girl mentality. I have chosen not to participate any longer because of where the blog is going. tracyarts said it much better than I could in a few posts above.
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 18:07:53 GMT
The reason why I made that promise was that there was no place where anyone could go to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without comments being deleted, threads disappearing or people having their accounts deactivated. Why was that happening? Because the all the existing boards belonged to companies that did business with each other, or the boards sold ads so they could not afford to make enemies of the companies because they needed the ad revenue. Oh bullshit. If your "promise" was all about providing a place to honestly discuss issues with products or companies without any kind of corporate blowback, that's the kind of place you'd be providing. You enjoy the excitement of all of the cringeworthy overgrown mean girl drama and the chance to be the woman/man behind the curtain who makes it all happen. You come here and blow smoke up our asses by saying that you don't moderate your blog (except when it comes to kids) not because you want to run a hate forum, but because you nobly want to offer a place to speak freely because scrapbookers deserve to have their opinions about products and companies heard. Do you really think that we're stupid enough to buy that? I hope you don't because, honestly, that's pretty delusional. You think it distances yourself from the ugliness because you claim to just let it happen, instead of actively promoting it? There's no difference but you're too cowardly to acknowledge that and own it. As it is now, your blog has turned into something embarrassing. It's not edgy or rebellious. Fail and cringe are the two words that come to mind. It's what you expect from teenagers and basement dwellers. It's actually kind of a joke. But maybe you're in on the joke and are laughing just as hard at the people who comment on your blog as other people do? If you want to run a hate space, admit that you do and own it and go about your business with it. But don't try and pretend that you have to allow it to be a hate space because "freedom of speech" because that's just hilarious. tracyarts---THANK YOU! You have said it much better than I have been.
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gigibunbun
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Post by gigibunbun on Jan 20, 2016 18:14:53 GMT
For the record, I am not so heavily invested in the blog that I feel the need to defend it. To be honest, I don't visit it all that often. I checked it out yesterday (thanks for the link, gigibunbun), but I can't remember the last time I checked it otherwise. What does bother me, though, is the fact that Tracie and gigibunbun both readily admit that they actively read there until just a couple of days ago, until they decided to grow a conscience and come here and hand slap the people who engage in....the exact same behavior that Tracie and gigibunbun were engaging in until just recently. Tracie and gigibunbun were rolling around in the blog dirt until just a few days ago, but now they're clean enough to come here and point fingers at others? Or does it not count when they visit the blog because they say it doesn't count? Yes, there are a few people who post awful comments at the blog. There are people all over the internet who like to stir things up. There are also many people who dislike and disagree with the posters who attack others personally. sure....sure..... You accused me of never going to the blog... I find it hilarious that you are now saying that you don't go there often. But okay. I believe you. What your brain is not connecting is that I stopped going there BECAUSE OF THE PERSONAL SMACK. Sure, (I've said it numerous times before but you want others reading there to believe that I have somewhere denied ever going there, which is not true) it is the PERSONAL, HATEFUL, NASTY, LYING SMACK that I have finally said ENOUGH to be done. When the blog and it's better predecessor WERE about the industry smack (products, service) is what I participated in. I don't condone and will no longer sit by and watch perfectly fine people be the target of some mean girls attacking others. You are not getting it. It is not about the business side of the smack it is the personal attacking that is what 90% of that blog is about anymore. It is AWFUL. I don't think myself better than the next person about this, my OP was asking WHY DOES THIS EVEN HAVE TO HAPPEN??? And to be honest, not one person has answered. WHY dish out smack on such an ugly personal manner?? If you don't like someone, why take to the airwaves and terrorize and spread such vicious virtrol? WHY?
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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by inkedup on Jan 20, 2016 18:34:10 GMT
Sigh. You are too busy clutching your pearls to see how much of a hypocrite you are, but I think I've laid it out pretty clearly.
Yes, I admitted that I visit and have posted there. How is that any different from your admission of the same? I frankly don't care whether you believe me about what I post there or when.
People post vile things all over the Internet for no other reason than the fact that they are able to. Humans are cruel and the anonymity of the Internet makes some people more cruel than they normally are. You might think you're a warrior for social justice, but you're really just wasting time and energy on this. All the dramatic posts in the world aren't going to change human nature.
To that end, I'm done wasting time on this, too. I think you are way too invested in the blog, and I hope you stay away from it for real. It seems to have impacted you in an abnormal way.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 18:43:29 GMT
I read the smack blog. I already owned up to that on this thread. I'm not embarrassed by that fact and don't deny it. I also read the Enquirer while in line at Walmart. Going to that site is not mandatory for anyone. People can and do say horrible things on the Internet, including here.
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Post by casualbystander on Jan 20, 2016 19:05:57 GMT
I'll admit to visiting the smack blog and reading because it is a study in human behavior and I am interested in psychology. I've been watching this discussion here and there and it is quite astounding that grown women can participate in bullying to this extent and not be called out on their behavior more than is happening. Would you stand on a public street and do nothing but watch as another person was being verbally attacked and cursed at? Do those of you who read and participate in the blog approve of bullying since it is in virtual form only? Hate is hate no matter how or where it is communicated. Do those of you who actively bully others on the smack blog think of yourselves as someone who stands for truth, freedom and justice for all people? Would you approve of a gay person being attacked in this matter? How about a person of color? Where do you draw the line on who it is appropriate to bully and who should be protected? Those of you who participate in this childish behavior should feel shame and realize the hypocrisy of your own life if you have ever protested an injustice for any group in society. You are the face of injustice to another human being.
To the owner of the blog....if you haven't seen some type of cosmic karma over allowing bullying to this extent to go on under your watch...just wait...karma's a bitch.
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Post by Night Owl on Jan 22, 2016 3:06:53 GMT
Same here, well said.
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