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Post by bc2ca on Feb 13, 2016 1:46:54 GMT
Anyone else planning to watch? This is her first TV interview since the Columbine massacre.
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Post by gloryjoy on Feb 13, 2016 2:03:54 GMT
I have it set to record.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Feb 13, 2016 2:38:05 GMT
I am recording it also. I was actually coming here to post that it was on.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Feb 13, 2016 2:49:15 GMT
I'm recording it but will watch it before bed tonight. I just like the ability to skip past ads. I'm also in the wait list at the library for her book.
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Post by TankTop on Feb 13, 2016 3:06:43 GMT
I am recording it. I have to be in the right frame of mind to watch it.
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Post by kath323 on Feb 13, 2016 3:07:31 GMT
Watching (thanks to this post). Only five minutes in and it's definitely hard to watch.
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Post by Drew on Feb 13, 2016 3:08:55 GMT
She's never done a TV interview but is doing one now because her book is being released. I understand that the proceeds are going to mental health charities but I still think the book is poor form.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Feb 13, 2016 3:16:21 GMT
She's never done a TV interview but is doing one now because her book is being released. I understand that the proceeds are going to mental health charities but I still think the book is poor form. Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Feb 13, 2016 3:27:18 GMT
I'm watching it now.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 13, 2016 3:35:01 GMT
I am watching, but I don't know how I feel about her writing a book and giving these interviews.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Feb 13, 2016 3:38:32 GMT
So sad it seemed a lot of people /officials missed signs that those 2 kids were not well.
I liked the analogy that they all had pieces to the puzzle but were unaware of how they all fit together.
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Post by Drew on Feb 13, 2016 4:17:58 GMT
She's never done a TV interview but is doing one now because her book is being released. I understand that the proceeds are going to mental health charities but I still think the book is poor form. Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately. I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Feb 13, 2016 4:22:07 GMT
Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately. I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO. But don't you think those families relive it with Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and all the other shootings too. I guess my point is she deserves to be able to heal too. I think she will be condemned and judged no matter how she acts or what she does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 4:30:13 GMT
Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately. I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO. You're fooling yourself if you think they don't already relive it every day regardless. And if her talking/writing about what they saw but didn't recognize as important, signs they missed but understand in retrospect, etc. could help one other parent of a disturbed child prevent another tragedy like Columbine, it's worth it. I think most of the victims' families would probably agree with that too.
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Post by cannes on Feb 13, 2016 4:39:02 GMT
Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately. I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO. I'm sure they hurt. Every day. Her story is important to tell. Probably one of the most important stories out of the horror that is Columbine. Because we NEED to understand. To see what she missed. To know what was rationalized away. So that other parents don't make the same mistakes. Because if it helps one parent, one teacher, one friend, one counselor recognize a warning sign and prevent another tragedy, then it's worth it.
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Post by annabella on Feb 13, 2016 4:42:52 GMT
So what did she say she missed? What went wrong?
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Feb 13, 2016 4:55:57 GMT
So what did she say she missed? What went wrong? She said she wished she would have dug deeper into why he was moody/isolating himself. She also wished she had read that story he had wrote in school and had followed up with the guidance counselor. She also said she wished she had gone thru his room instead of respecting his privacy.
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Post by RiverIsis on Feb 13, 2016 4:59:29 GMT
I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO. I'm sure they hurt. Every day. Her story is important to tell. Probably one of the most important stories out of the horror that is Columbine. Because we NEED to understand. To see what she missed. To know what was rationalized away. So that other parents don't make the same mistakes. Because if it helps one parent, one teacher, one friend, one counselor recognize a warning sign and prevent another tragedy, then it's worth it.
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Post by melissa on Feb 13, 2016 5:01:18 GMT
Her story is important to tell. Probably one of the most important stories out of the horror that is Columbine. Because we NEED to understand. To see what she missed. To know what was rationalized away. So that other parents don't make the same mistakes. Because if it helps one parent, one teacher, one friend, one counselor recognize a warning sign and prevent another tragedy, then it's worth it. This. It is so important to hear what she has to say. I only caught part of the interview and intend to watch the full interview later. She does indeed talk about what she missed. She talks about her parenting. How she would say something like "Hey, Dylan, are OK? It looks like something is bothering you" and how she would accept a brush offed answer from him. She talks about what she would have done differently. She talks about how several people each had a tiny piece of the puzzle and how not one of them put the pieces together. It is clear that she blames herself for not putting it together. While writing the book may have been part of her healing, it is clear that she is not healed and that is not what this is about. She is still tormented by the death and destruction. There is mention that families have come to her and spoken of forgiveness, yet I don't think she has forgiven herself and certainly not her child. Columbine was the first. There are so many now that we don't even know them all. There are too many to just count off now. There have been 270 school shootings of any sort since then. 270. WTF. Truly, if one parent or one teacher or one counselor stops a single shooting, this was worth her breaking her silence. My child was a baby when this happened. How sad it is that many of our children have grown up in a world where school shootings are now a thing. It was not a concern when I went to school. A bomb threat was just that, a threat. Today, a bomb threat throws entire towns into a panic. I see it here with the posts. I see it on FB. Back in the day, a bomb threat was like a fire drill. You went outside for a little. The police and fire trucks came. You went back inside. It rarely even took an entire period.
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Post by RiverIsis on Feb 13, 2016 5:02:08 GMT
So what did she say she missed? What went wrong? She said she wished she would have dug deeper into why he was moody/isolating himself. She also wished she had read that story he had wrote in school and had followed up with the guidance counselor. She also said she wished she had gone thru his room instead of respecting his privacy. I hope she can forgive herself. I know my DS's isolated themselves and I gave them privacy during the teen years. We had points of daily engagement but honestly, that sounds like parenting 99% of teenage boys from my experience and what most other parents tell me.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Feb 13, 2016 5:12:06 GMT
She said she wished she would have dug deeper into why he was moody/isolating himself. She also wished she had read that story he had wrote in school and had followed up with the guidance counselor. She also said she wished she had gone thru his room instead of respecting his privacy. I hope she can forgive herself. I know my DS's isolated themselves and I gave them privacy during the teen years. We had points of daily engagement but honestly, that sounds like parenting 99% of teenage boys from my experience and what most other parents tell me. I hope so too. Yes I agree as she talked I said to my hubby geez that was our 2 older boys at points in their teens. I think a lot of parents would chalk it up to being part of growing up as a teen much like she did. One of my boys was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 17 and I know I beat myself up daily on signs I missed before his breakdown that led to his diagnosis. I think as parents we struggle with parenting/ giving kids freedom but also rules and the whole privacy thing and she didn't even have the whole social media thing either then to contend with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 5:41:57 GMT
Her story is important to tell. Probably one of the most important stories out of the horror that is Columbine. Because we NEED to understand. To see what she missed. To know what was rationalized away. So that other parents don't make the same mistakes. Because if it helps one parent, one teacher, one friend, one counselor recognize a warning sign and prevent another tragedy, then it's worth it. This. It is so important to hear what she has to say. I only caught part of the interview and intend to watch the full interview later. She does indeed talk about what she missed. She talks about her parenting. How she would say something like "Hey, Dylan, are OK? It looks like something is bothering you" and how she would accept a brush offed answer from him. She talks about what she would have done differently. She talks about how several people each had a tiny piece of the puzzle and how not one of them put the pieces together. It is clear that she blames herself for not putting it together. While writing the book may have been part of her healing, it is clear that she is not healed and that is not what this is about. She is still tormented by the death and destruction. There is mention that families have come to her and spoken of forgiveness, yet I don't think she has forgiven herself and certainly not her child. Columbine was the first. There are so many now that we don't even know them all. There are too many to just count off now. There have been 270 school shootings of any sort since then. 270. WTF. Truly, if one parent or one teacher or one counselor stops a single shooting, this was worth her breaking her silence. My child was a baby when this happened. How sad it is that many of our children have grown up in a world where school shootings are now a thing. It was not a concern when I went to school. A bomb threat was just that, a threat. Today, a bomb threat throws entire towns into a panic. I see it here with the posts. I see it on FB. Back in the day, a bomb threat was like a fire drill. You went outside for a little. The police and fire trucks came. You went back inside. It rarely even took an entire period. I've recorded it, but not watched it yet. My oldest was in high school at the time. I was out running errands when my husband called to tell me there was a shooting at one of the high schools, but he didn't know which one yet. We had only moved here just about 3 1/2 months before. It turned out that it wasn't her school, but that seemingly never ending moment of panic until we knew. And then thanking God that we had not chosen the house in that school district. One that we had looked at and liked.
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Post by ametallichick on Feb 13, 2016 9:17:32 GMT
Does anyone know where I can watch this after the fact? I didn't even know about it but I'd like to watch it.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 13, 2016 12:42:10 GMT
I was at Columbine two days before this happened and I remember exactly where I was when I heard about it. I will never forget it. I think it's good she is attempting to figure out what went wrong and giving the money from the book to charity (I hope all of it).
That said, as a parent of three teens who live in a small town, I watch parents bury their heads in the sand about their own kids. They dismiss (!!) complaints by teachers and other parents about their kids. They ignore the problems and basically expect to be their kids' friends. They refuse to parent. Do their kids turn into killers? No (or not yet). But are they hateful human beings? Some of them are. Some, no matter what the parents do, turn out great.
So while you never really know, I think it would have been very helpful if we had heard from the elementary teachers of her son Dylan. How did he behave in school? I would have loved to have heard from parents of Dylan's friends when he was young about how his parents were. That, to me, would have been more helpful than a parent looking for signs when this boy was a teenager and many of these traits/problems a done deal.
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Post by CeeScraps on Feb 13, 2016 12:53:51 GMT
Yes, Yes, Really Red!! I too would like to hear from the Elementary teachers of these boys.
As an Elementary teacher we try. We try to explain to parents various things about their child. Some just DO NOT want to hear it. Then their child goes into the next grade and the next teacher is sharing the experiences with the previous teacher. The experiences with both the child/parent match up.
At the Elementary level we document and document and document even more. Are things done with all of that? Yes, if the parent hears us. If the parents don't then all it ends up to be is a pile of paperwork.
It's just sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:57:48 GMT
20/20 said there were a lot of "puzzle pieces" that would have warned that he was in trouble but no one put them together. These were all things that were discovered from different sources...employer, friends,parents, school counselor, school teacher, police. He had 2 prior felonies, I think. (At least one)
They also put the major responsibility on his friend...20/20...not his mom. She said almost nothing about the other boy. 20/20 Said his friend was a psychopath. They also emphasized that this was the first so no one ever thought something like this would happen.
She is giving the proceeds of the book to charity.
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Post by cakediva on Feb 13, 2016 13:34:46 GMT
Maybe the book and interview are to help her heal. It has been close to 20 years and she hasn't come forward in all that time to me that speaks more it not being for the wrong reasons! I think no matter what she did people will dog her and doubt her intentions unfortunately. I just feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured. They have to relive the experience now that the story is back in print, on tv, on amazon, etc. Their peace is more important than her healing, IMO. Why is their peace more important than her healing? I feel for the families of the dead and permanently injured as well. But this poor woman has to live with the fact that her son did this terrible thing. And how she missed the signs that something was wrong. Her healing is just as important as theirs I think. I can't imagine how guilty I would feel if my child did something so terrible. Not sure I could ever quite reconcile it in my head. I know it was just a TV show - but it puts me in mind of the Criminal Minds episode where the agent trainee came on board to help profile because her father had been a serial killer.....and how at the end, she couldn't reconcile the fact that he was so awful, but she just couldn't hate him. And how she spoke of how the families of these killers feel - they are ashamed and horrified, and want to apologize and can't.
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Post by melissa on Feb 13, 2016 13:56:55 GMT
There is also a part where some expert reviewed the journals of the 2 boys. Dylan's had things like hearts, future plans and positive things mixed in with his teen frustrations. Eric's was filled with fantasies of death and destruction.
You also hear about when things began to change with Dylan, including the felonies. You hear about that and you hear about her stopping herself from going through his room, like she used to do, because she was giving him some privacy as he was now an older teen. That got me. It reminded me of conversations here with parents talking about "spying" on their kids whether it is in their rooms, on their computers, phones or social media. It often turns into a controversial thread with people falling on either side. She's saying screw that expectation of privacy for a child in your household.
I wish we had heard the same things about Eric. I am sure there is a story there as well. They did certainly present him as the one who had been into death and destruction and let you draw the lines that he was the bigger influence.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2016 14:06:25 GMT
While I think the issues her son had were way beyond 'typical' teen boy behavior, none of what she said she saw before hand necessarily pointed to violently killing others. BUT clearly it was more than normal average teen boy stuff. There was also very conflicting signals. Felony robbery is serious stuff, not normal teen phase. Then on the other hand he was released from his community service sentance with a glowing statement. I feel for her because it's so hard to give children privacy and still know what's going on.
I certainly DO go into my children's rooms. I do not read their journal.
I have to wonder what the one guy who knew they were getting guns and making ( thankfully wrong ) pipe bombs was thinking they were doing?? I'm not saying it's 'his' fault, but I'm curious how he rationalized away that they were building pipe bombs?
And it was interesting that the other boy WAS in therapy. We all think if we see the signs we can get our children help. But they got him help and it wasn't enough. Somethings you just can not fix or help.
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Post by jamielynn on Feb 13, 2016 14:33:03 GMT
It seems like there are a lot of good points brought up on here. I can't imagine losing my child in an event like this - I also can't imagine being the parent that missed the signs that my child was the terror. Neither will ever be good feelings or recovered from.
I give her credit for speaking out. She gave the families of the victims nearly 20 years to heal - and I think she has some great parenting advice here on what we as society may be convinced is normal, respectful - versus what her reality became of accepting that teens are moody, sometimes have friends that are less than desirable (but not telling them no potentially), and respecting their bedroom privacy. Those are all points we have discussed here many times.
I didn't know this was going to be on, but will be curious to watch it online.
I believe I was around the same age when this happened - I remember it for sure, but can't recall all the details - I will have to re-read about it today.
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