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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 18:55:14 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. Right because people who receive benefits should never have any treats. Why should their kid get a bakery birthday cake? If their parents wanted them to have a fancy cake they shouldn't have had kids until they could after a 15 dollar bakery cake without using SNAP.
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Post by iluvpink on Feb 13, 2016 19:04:34 GMT
The older I get the less I judge about this kind of thing. Shit happens and you just don't know what's going on in another person's life. We all have issues, none of us are perfect and few get through life without some sort of trial.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2016 19:14:53 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. I don't know where you shop but at my grocery store I can get 15 packs of ramen or 3 boxes of Mac n cheese for the cost of 4 apples. I know because I noticed this week when I got 4 nice ruby frost apples and it cost nearly 5$ I can buy 4 boxes of Kellogg's pops for the price of 1 dozen eggs since eggs have gone thru the roof. I get that the eggs for breakfast are healthier, so dies the mom with no money. But I assure you her kids would rather have breakfast all week and eat pops than have breakfast for 2 days and eat eggs. If you want to fill your children up you buy as much volume as you can with the money you have. Otherwise they will go hungry later in the week. Like when my SIL made judgements about the balogna and American cheese on white bread sandwich while her kids were getting Rosemary ham with imported Swiss and sliced avocado on artisan whole grain bread with fresh bean sprouts. Ummm yea you $5 on ham, $4 on cheese, $6 on bread, $4 on bean sprouts and $2 on avocado for a total of $21 and that woman has to make $35 feed them for the week. If you MUST complain about it then go complain to the food companies that grossly overprice anythung with nutrition and Mark down to nothing all the 'junk' food.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 13, 2016 19:17:33 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. People often don't realize that shelf life is much more of the driver for choosing processed foods than convenience or even cost. You see it directly at the food bank where nothing costs anything. People are still much more likely to choose something that is still edible in 30 days than something perishable even for like items.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 19:20:56 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. Right because people who receive benefits should never have any treats. Why should their kid get a bakery birthday cake? If their parents wanted them to have a fancy cake they shouldn't have had kids until they could after a 15 dollar bakery cake without using SNAP. Snap is not about providing treats. It is about supplementing nutritional needs in a family. And it isn't about the one bakery cake, it is about the multi packages of frozen foods( pizzas), hamburger helper, piles of package cookies/crackers/chips and all those treat things like twinkies.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 19:24:29 GMT
Yeah. Do people really look at how the person pays in front of them? I'm way too busy arranging my items on the belt in the order I want them bagged. (Or, of course, trying to assure a kid that we are "almost done" 17 times a minute. )
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 13, 2016 19:24:56 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. I don't know where you shop but at my grocery store I can get 15 packs of ramen or 3 boxes of Mac n cheese for the cost of 4 apples. I know because I noticed this week when I got 4 nice ruby frost apples and it cost nearly 5$ I can buy 4 boxes of Kellogg's pops for the price of 1 dozen eggs since eggs have gone thru the roof. I get that the eggs for breakfast are healthier, so dies the mom with no money. But I assure you her kids would rather have breakfast all week and eat pops than have breakfast for 2 days and eat eggs. If you want to fill your children up you buy as much volume as you can with the money you have. Otherwise they will go hungry later in the week. Like when my SIL made judgements about the balogna and American cheese on white bread sandwich while her kids were getting Rosemary ham with imported Swiss and sliced avocado on artisan whole grain bread with fresh bean sprouts. Ummm yea you $5 on ham, $4 on cheese, $6 on bread, $4 on bean sprouts and $2 on avocado for a total of $21 and that woman has to make $35 feed them for the week. If you MUST complain about it then go complain to the food companies that grossly overprice anythung with buried ys and Mark down to nothing all the 'junk' food. I betting she never had to base what she bought at the store on the weight of what she had carry walking home, either.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 19:27:49 GMT
*shrug* My dear friend is a single mom whose income is below the poverty level - I know this because I help her with her taxes every year - drives a Mercedes SUV way nicer than anything I've ever driven. Her brother gave it to her when her husband was in a severe car accident and they couldn't buy a replacement vehicle. Not my life, not my place to say. Having a reliable vehicle is probably one of the things most people take for granted the most. And one of the things those in need find the hardest to acquire. She is so fortunate to have someone so generous in her life.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 19:35:10 GMT
I think you can designate someone to use your food stamps for you (at least it used to be this way). So, they could be buying food for someone that was sick and couldn't make it to the store. There are some many different scenarios in life that we can never imagine. That's a great point. There are plenty of sick, disabled, and/or elderly people who simply are not able to shop on their own. My grandfather lost his sight in his 80s, and at that point my aunt started shopping for him every week. If my grandfather had food benefits I'm sure my aunt would have received some looks since she wouldn't have "looked the part" of someone using SNAP.
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 13, 2016 19:44:19 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. People often don't realize that shelf life is much more of the driver for choosing processed foods than convenience or even cost. You see it directly at the food bank where nothing costs anything. People are still much more likely to choose something that is still edible in 30 days than something perishable even for like items. Good point, and one I don't often think about. And I also agree that sometimes, especially for those walking or catching a bus, being able to carry what you buy is also a factor. It's way too easy to judge others based on a tiny snapshot of their life - but I try to remember that I wouldn't want someone else to judge me based on a thirty-second glimpse of some moment.
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Post by nlwilkins on Feb 13, 2016 19:46:26 GMT
I admit I do a little judging and then realize what I am doing and give myself a mental lecture. But, one thing I can't seem to stop judging on is the ones who smoke a pack a day and drink a six pack every night then say they can't afford school supplies.
The free lunch program at the schools is something that makes me practice my no judging rule as well. When I was teaching, I would see so much food being thrown away and so many free lunches going out to kids who I know don't need it because as their teacher I knew what their lives were like. But, Ialso knew that there were students who did not eat except at school and I would never want to do away with the free lunch program. When it comes to feeding kids, I say lets err on the cautious side.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 13, 2016 19:48:32 GMT
Right because people who receive benefits should never have any treats. Why should their kid get a bakery birthday cake? If their parents wanted them to have a fancy cake they shouldn't have had kids until they could after a 15 dollar bakery cake without using SNAP. Snap is not about providing treats. It is about supplementing nutritional needs in a family. And it isn't about the one bakery cake, it is about the multi packages of frozen foods( pizzas), hamburger helper, piles of package cookies/crackers/chips and all those treat things like twinkies. Perhaps. Right now my food budget is beyond tight. I mean tighter than tight. As I walk through the grocery store with my list, I make all kinds of decisions about what kind of foods to make. I am a capable cook with years of experience on how to cook from scratch. But I have to tell you, sometimes I want pizza and a when Publix puts theirs on sale, I can't make them for anywhere close the same cost. It is infinitely cheaper to buy theirs. Do I know it would be more healthy to make my own? Of course I do but if I was getting SNAP benefits why shouldn't I be afforded the same ability to make a decision for my family about a frozen pizza vs. making one as any other person in the store?
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 19:53:12 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. People often don't realize that shelf life is much more of the driver for choosing processed foods than convenience or even cost. You see it directly at the food bank where nothing costs anything. People are still much more likely to choose something that is still edible in 30 days than something perishable even for like items. Yes, because we come right back to the transportation issue again. I can drive 20 minutes one way, 3 times a week to go shop for fresh produce if I really want to. But if you aren't sure when you're going to next be able to find a ride to buy groceries, you're going to want non-perishables. I also think you need to look at situations in which generations of family have been struggling to put food on the table, too. In those cases, the adults shopping for their kids today may not know what the hell to do with fresh ingredients. If they saw their mother buy nothing but canned this and boxed that, then that's what they know how to make. DH & I love to try new recipes now and again, often with new foods, and there's always the chance that you're going to invest $10-$20 bucks in a new recipe only to totally mess it up. (Like the time I burned the fondue, for instance.) If the 20 bucks in your wallet is all you have for the rest of the month, you're not going to want to risk it on anything that you might mess up or that people will hate. Because it would be crazy to do so. You have to be sure to buy food that will be consumed and that will last.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 19:56:34 GMT
People often don't realize that shelf life is much more of the driver for choosing processed foods than convenience or even cost. You see it directly at the food bank where nothing costs anything. People are still much more likely to choose something that is still edible in 30 days than something perishable even for like items. Good point, and one I don't often think about. And I also agree that sometimes, especially for those walking or catching a bus, being able to carry what you buy is also a factor. It's way too easy to judge others based on a tiny snapshot of their life - but I try to remember that I wouldn't want someone else to judge me based on a thirty-second glimpse of some moment. The length of time it takes you to get home can be an issue, too, particularly in the summer. You're walking home in 90 degrees, or sitting on a bus for over an hour, and you refrigerated or freezer foods are getting warmer by the minute. And sure, you can bring an insulated bag and freezer packs, but those cost money and add more weight.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 13, 2016 19:56:35 GMT
Honestly? Put me in the category of , if you have hamburger helper in your cart , I am going to judge. Wait a minute. I guess that goes for everybody! I don't care what you look like, but really IMHO snap should be used only for the basics. Vegetables, protein, eggs, dairy. People often don't realize that shelf life is much more of the driver for choosing processed foods than convenience or even cost. You see it directly at the food bank where nothing costs anything. People are still much more likely to choose something that is still edible in 30 days than something perishable even for like items. yes that too.
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 13, 2016 19:59:18 GMT
Snap is not about providing treats. It is about supplementing nutritional needs in a family. And it isn't about the one bakery cake, it is about the multi packages of frozen foods( pizzas), hamburger helper, piles of package cookies/crackers/chips and all those treat things like twinkies. Perhaps. Right now my food budget is beyond tight. I mean tighter than tight. As I walk through the grocery store with my list, I make all kinds of decisions about what kind of foods to make. I am a capable cook with years of experience on how to cook from scratch. But I have to tell you, sometimes I want pizza and a when Publix puts theirs on sale, I can't make them for anywhere close the same cost. It is infinitely cheaper to buy theirs. Do I know it would be more healthy to make my own? Of course I do but if I was getting SNAP benefits why shouldn't I be afforded the same ability to make a decision for my family about a frozen pizza vs. making one as any other person in the store? I just bought my husband a Jack's pizza this week because it's the kind he likes. I know I can make better pizza than the frozen ones. I've worked at 3 different pizza places in my long life. I can make dough from scratch. I could never make it as cheap as this pizza was. It was on sale for $1.88 and I had a 25 cent coupon. Another thing is I buy this type of thing for him for when I am gone because he's not going to cook anything for himself from scratch. I think the same thing is true for some children who have to cook for themselves because there parents are working.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 20:00:31 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. ETA: Thanks, everyone for the quick replies.
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Post by compwalla on Feb 13, 2016 20:01:33 GMT
People are judgy assholes. I hear people go on and on about people on food stamps shouldn't be buying chocolate or shrimp or cake mix or any other thing. And I think those people should go fuck themselves in the ass with a cactus because you never know the inside of someone else's situation. Have a little goddamn humanity and empathy for other people and mind your own business.
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 13, 2016 20:02:15 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. It's only for food.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 13, 2016 20:08:04 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. No. SNAP benefits do not cover anything beyond foodstuffs. All paper products, cleaning products and personal hygiene supplies are not included. And that leads to this information: As a rule, when people start talking about 'welfare payments' they are talking about people who get cash assistance (TANF-temporary cash assistance) which WAS designed to help purchase those ancillary supplies. There is a cap on how much a family can get (last time I heard it was around $300 per month for a full on family of six or more-anything smaller and the monthly benefit was significantly lower) it is relatively low particularly when you compare it to what people think it is, and there is a lifetime limit on how long you can receive these benefits. It is supposed to cover the things that snap doesn't cover. ETA: TANF is also the one of the benefits that require 40 hours of participation in either full time enrollment in school or work, job prep/search or combination of any of the above.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 20:09:00 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. It's only for food. Thank you. ETA: And thanks to anxiousmom as well.
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Post by paperaddictedpea on Feb 13, 2016 20:09:17 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. SNAP benefits are for food only - no toiletries, diapers, etc. I didn't know this until we did a volunteer event at work somewhat recently where we packed shoeboxes full of basic toiletries, which were then given to low income families by a local organization.
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Post by melanell on Feb 13, 2016 20:10:58 GMT
Can someone educate me on something. I know WIC is just for food and drinks, and certain ones at that. But the SNAP type benefits---are they only for food, or do they cover toilet paper, tampons, diapers, etc. as well? Because let's face it, those items may not feed you, but they're pretty darn important. SNAP benefits are for food only - no toiletries, diapers, etc. I didn't know this until we did a volunteer event at work somewhat recently where we packed shoeboxes full of basic toiletries, which were then given to low income families by a local organization. Now that you mention it, so many times we have organizations asking for those types of donations, so that makes a lot of sense to me, now. thanks!
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Post by caro on Feb 13, 2016 20:26:02 GMT
Yeah. Do people really look at how the person pays in front of them? I don't. Too busy minding my own business to judge others. When my special needs DD was alive and we, as a family of 6, would be out and about, the looks we got were awful. I know this is different but I learned a long time ago, walk in my shoes for a mile...........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:51:15 GMT
Yes,I used wic.
No to food stamps because we owned 2 cars.
Yes I have walk about six miles or so round trip to the grocery store during the summer. Amazingly when I bought cold things, the meat/deli would give me a bag of ice to keep the stuff cold. (I did have a wagon to pull or a stroller)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:58:41 GMT
People are judgy assholes. I hear people gone on and on about people on food stamps shouldn't be buying chocolate or shrimp or cake mix or any other thing. And I think those people should go fuck themselves in the ass with a cactus because you never know the inside of someone else's situation. Have a little goddamn humanity and empathy for other people and mind your own business. I'm just going to repeat what compwalla said but a lot nicer than I would have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:12:04 GMT
Even if you look poor the judgy people will judge. You should have done better in school, gone to college, got a better job so you wouldn't be poor. In some way it IS your fault you are poor (according to the judgers)
What you buy doesn't meet their standards of good nutrition because you should only buy fresh organic produce, fresh meats, eggs and dairy. Never mind whether or not all this fresh stuff will need storage (that you might not have) or be cooked and you might not have that access either.
I spent roughly 3 years living in a homeless shelter that was part of a church. The kitchen was shared. I had trouble with church members eating things they "found" in the kitchen. They assumed it was bought with "their" money they gave to the church. I learned quickly I could not keep anything in the fridge because it would get eaten by someone else. I couldn't afford to feed them and me! If it wasn't shelf stable for longer than 24 hours I didn't buy it. Some fruit because apples will keep longer but that was about all.
Hamburger helper without the hamburger still has a nice beef flavor to it, it is hot and filling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 22:27:44 GMT
Even if you look poor the judgy people will judge. You should have done better in school, gone to college, got a better job so you wouldn't be poor. In some way it IS your fault you are poor (according to the judgers) What you buy doesn't meet their standards of good nutrition because you should only buy fresh organic produce, fresh meats, eggs and dairy. Never mind whether or not all this fresh stuff will need storage (that you might not have) or be cooked and you might not have that access either. I spent roughly 3 years living in a homeless shelter that was part of a church. The kitchen was shared. I had trouble with church members eating things they "found" in the kitchen. They assumed it was bought with "their" money they gave to the church. I learned quickly I could not keep anything in the fridge because it would get eaten by someone else. I couldn't afford to feed them and me! If it wasn't shelf stable for longer than 24 hours I didn't buy it. Some fruit because apples will keep longer but that was about all. Hamburger helper without the hamburger still has a nice beef flavor to it, it is hot and filling. Shit I am just going to be pissed off for you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 22:41:29 GMT
Even if you look poor the judgy people will judge. You should have done better in school, gone to college, got a better job so you wouldn't be poor. In some way it IS your fault you are poor (according to the judgers) What you buy doesn't meet their standards of good nutrition because you should only buy fresh organic produce, fresh meats, eggs and dairy. Never mind whether or not all this fresh stuff will need storage (that you might not have) or be cooked and you might not have that access either. I spent roughly 3 years living in a homeless shelter that was part of a church. The kitchen was shared. I had trouble with church members eating things they "found" in the kitchen. They assumed it was bought with "their" money they gave to the church. I learned quickly I could not keep anything in the fridge because it would get eaten by someone else. I couldn't afford to feed them and me! If it wasn't shelf stable for longer than 24 hours I didn't buy it. Some fruit because apples will keep longer but that was about all. Hamburger helper without the hamburger still has a nice beef flavor to it, it is hot and filling. Shit I am just going to be pissed off for you! Thanks but no need. I was very happy to have a room to myself with a locking door. I felt safe there. Needing to make food choices that didn't meet the standard of nutritional judges at the store was something I got over pretty quick. I was alive. I had a safe place to sleep and leave my few belongings while I went to work. Lots of homeless people don't even have those luxuries.
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