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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 5:07:55 GMT
I've been in our Kids education committee for a while now, I became the chairperson of this committee at the beginning of the year.
It was mostly myself and one other woman that were looking after the Sunday school program last year. We elected two more volunteers at the same time that I became chair.
Ive been a little apprehensive about the one volunteer and my feelings are being proven. She's a sweet young woman, but I don't mesh with her at all. My other two volunteers are awesome, they bring ideas to the table, they're willing to help and are a dream to work with. Always positive.
But "Susie" can't ever just go with the flow. We made a lot of changes to the program last year, it had been run to the ground. We received a ton of positive feedback so I feel we're on the right track. But with Susie, I say let's go right, she'll say we should go left because it's not necessary.
She bases opinions on what might be and not what we're trying to do. Example: According to her, the classrooms don't need wall mounted mail holders for us to Have a designated spot to drop monthly newsletters or weekly tips in, because "it puts another hole in the wall, and people might not use a mailbox for mail".
I like her as a person, but I'm really starting to dread our meetings. I have to work with her for two years. It's been 3 months since she came in, and I'm not having fun anymore.
I'd love to hear some of your stories. Have you ever had to work with someone that was hard to work with, or just completely different than you? Did your relationship survive?
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Post by styxgirl on Mar 18, 2016 5:28:12 GMT
Often new volunteers are very gung-ho and energetic. They don't bother to check any past practices etc... Before offering ideas/solutions.
I have to put up with ridiculous people every day in my real job, but heck no, not in a volunteer situation ...
If she were that bad and it was for my church, I would find another way to serve that didn't involve working with her.
Or if her ideas are really stupid, stand your ground on yours and see if it will work itself out. Maybe others will get sick of her too.
Blech, she sounds like a peach.
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Post by mom on Mar 18, 2016 5:39:20 GMT
See, I see your post and wonder if maybe you should give up some control (and let her 'win') every now and then. Lose a battle to win the war, you know?
FWIW, 'going with the flow' isn't necessarily a good thing.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Mar 18, 2016 6:56:42 GMT
I worked for my pastors for 7.5 years and at times, basically ran a lot of things there so I have had PLENTY of experience working with people who are hard to work with but you know...it's church so you gotta be nice. haha! I would probably listen to her and as someone else said, give in to her sometimes but I would keep my role in authority and just say, "Well thank you Susie, we appreciate that viewpoint but we're going to go ahead and do this." I just would refuse to argue. You're the one in charge and responsible for everything so you don't owe anyone an explanation. When you start feeling like you have to keep everyone happy - that's where it all goes wrong. Maybe she'll give up if she doesn't get her way. Now having said all that, make sure you're not writing her opinions off every time just because she annoys you because that would be easy to do too.
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Post by raindancer on Mar 18, 2016 11:28:09 GMT
Sometimes I think we forget in volunteer positions that people bring different perspectives to things.
For your example, did you ask her why she felt people wouldn't use the mailboxes? Does she have past experience where that was a failure?
I know that in the PTA parents came from all manner of backgrounds and previous experience mattered. Sometimes opposing views seemed off the wall but we're not.
I voted against the dunk booth at the school fair. Everyone was pissed off about this and thought I was being absurd. But the truth was that the national PTA conference had held a seminar on this very thing and several teachers and principals had been maimed or killed. For insurance purposes for them and the schools they were not allowing them at PTA official events.
My kids school went ahead and ignored me, and they continue to take this chance. They have done so for 8 more years.
But that doesn't make the "it's what we have always done" crowd right, it just makes them lucky.
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Post by scrapaddie on Mar 18, 2016 13:49:46 GMT
First, I remind myself that she, too, is working for God. Remembering that motivation really helps. Second, consider that just because her ideas are different, doesn't mean they are bad. Discuss the ideas, make a decision and move on. I myself.probably wouldn't like the idea of.putting.mailboxes on the walls, either.... but that is.just me.
I am.assuming you are a Christian.... drag out your Christian patience and charity here. Is it really worth acting in a Mon Christian way? FOR THE RECORD, o have Ben working for nine years with someone who drives me crazy (church)... and I have to pray for patience frequently....
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Post by Tasha on Mar 18, 2016 13:52:40 GMT
Since this is a "church" thread, I feel safe in saying... Pray for her. Pray for you. Pray to find common ground with her. Pray to see how YOU can make your relationship better (because you can't change her, unfortunately...) Maybe it is giving in now and then. Maybe it is taking a different approach with her. Maybe she is just difficult, and you won't have any luck, but I'd start by praying.
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Post by BeckyTech on Mar 18, 2016 14:43:08 GMT
Use Command hooks?
Sorry, just a bit of humor. You have received some sage advice here. It is easy to bristle at suggestions from someone you have trouble working with, but every once in awhile, they do have a valid point. I would go with the "ask her why" advice you received. If she is being contrary just to be contrary, it will put her on the spot and that might make her think harder about what she is suggesting. Conversely, it may also give you insight into another aspect of the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:51:56 GMT
Thanks for the advice everyone. So far I've just taken the approach of grin and bear it. I'm on friendly terms with her, in fact my DH is related to her and so I try to tread carefully.
The mail box thing was just an example. I have no issues listening to genuine concerns, but it gets really tiring when she makes potential Everests out of every mole hill. The other two ladies are a dream to work with, they're quick to add ideas and have a positive outlook. Susie on the other hand is quite negative with what she contributes.
A little back story on her, she's spent a lot of time in the missionary field, she just spent a year in Iraq 2 years ago. She also helped in Africa. I know that some of her views come from the fact that she spent time in poverty stricken areas. She feels that North Americans are too materialistic, and I can agree with that. But I don't believe we should punish the kids because someone has it worse than you?
She has admitted to me that she struggles with feeling like she's a better Christian and church volunteer because she has gone on all these mission trips, and she's dedicated to her volunteer work. This last Christmas her family didn't exchange gifts, or receive gifts from her parents because they felt it was too materialistic and compared to the rest of the world, they didn't need anything. And don't get me wrong, that's admirable. But, don't look down on people that do exchange gifts. She shared that with every person she could, it felt a little like she was using that to point out our flawed life.
But like someone already mentioned, I will need to pray for her, for our relationship, and for the committee. We are two different personality types. We have always been casual friends, but I fear that in this case, familiarity might breed contempt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 16:02:05 GMT
Sometimes I think we forget in volunteer positions that people bring different perspectives to things. For your example, did you ask her why she felt people wouldn't use the mailboxes? Does she have past experience where that was a failure? I know that in the PTA parents came from all manner of backgrounds and previous experience mattered. Sometimes opposing views seemed off the wall but we're not. I voted against the dunk booth at the school fair. Everyone was pissed off about this and thought I was being absurd. But the truth was that the national PTA conference had held a seminar on this very thing and several teachers and principals had been maimed or killed. For insurance purposes for them and the schools they were not allowing them at PTA official events. My kids school went ahead and ignored me, and they continue to take this chance. They have done so for 8 more years. But that doesn't make the "it's what we have always done" crowd right, it just makes them lucky. I agree with your perspective, which is why I am careful with how we move forward in our program. I want to get perspective from everyone in the committee, not just my own. I love hearing ideas from our committee members, just last night one of the ladies mentioned another way we could advertise our summer kids program. I hadn't thought of it, and loved that she brought a fresh idea to the table. The mailbox thing was just a small issue, but more of an example of how something so small has to turn into something negative. She's still quite young and she didn't have any personal experience behind her reasoning. I'm the kind of person that thinks there should be a proper place for things, and she's the kind of person that doesn't care about those things. I let it go, she did give me permission to buy them at a later date if I still felt it was needed...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 16:16:15 GMT
Use Command hooks?
Sorry, just a bit of humor. You have received some sage advice here. It is easy to bristle at suggestions from someone you have trouble working with, but every once in awhile, they do have a valid point. I would go with the "ask her why" advice you received. If she is being contrary just to be contrary, it will put her on the spot and that might make her think harder about what she is suggesting. Conversely, it may also give you insight into another aspect of the situation. I might need to order them in bulk... Im only 3 months in with her, but you're right, she is still valuable member of our team and with valid points. Im still working on quick thinking for the times when she comes up with some of her odd points. I'm usually too flabbergasted that this or that is even an issue. Thankfully her older and very reasonable sister is also on the committee and helps to tone down some of the extremes. We had a church skating event a few weeks ago where we served hot chocolate. Susie was convinced it would turn into a chaotic mess with cups being wasted And parents not paying attention to their children. It was again an issue that wasn't even a possible issue. Thankfully we were able to curb that train of thought, and as predicted, it wasn't an issue.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 18, 2016 17:12:57 GMT
I am new to my job in a completely different work setting from what I am used to. I went to a training this week and the CEO and president of the corporation spoke for about 45 minutes. He's been with the company for over 40 years and was interesting. The one thing that had the most impact with me was his comment "fit in before you stand out." I thought from previous work experiences that this was a great piece of advice. Perhaps someone should cross stitch this on a pillow for your volunteer.
As a new person in an office, I do a lot of listening. I'm new and need to learn the culture. In my previous job, I was an initiator. I had experience and had tried the things new people suggested and oftentimes they were still bad ideas (not always). Either way, you do need to listen to her. She might have a point you hadn't thought about, but then I would take it to a vote and let things go with the majority.
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Post by BeckyTech on Mar 18, 2016 17:16:42 GMT
"fit in before you stand out." That is GREAT advice to all new employees!
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 18, 2016 17:39:05 GMT
I head a huge volunteer committee at the high school theatre. Sometimes new volunteers can be a PITA, but we really do need everyone who is willing to help. Generally when someone makes a suggestion that I know won't work, I do one of 3 things: 1-give examples of how it hasn't worked in the past, 2-give smaller parameters to meet our requirement (I will often simply a need, but will go into more detail when the discussion derails), or 3-give the parent permission to run with the idea as long as they are the ones doing the work. I try to say yes as much as possible, so I often go with #3. But they have to stick with the budget/timeline/details that I give them. 9 times out of 10, they don't want to do the work, they want me to do it. And it just fizzles out. And the 10th time is something fabulous and that parent now has ownership in the project. That's a good thing in a volunteer force.
I also use "we" instead of "I." I don't say that I need a mailbox, I'd say that we need a system to organize and distribute our volunteer mail. That makes it about the group, rather than just me.
Using the mailbox example, I would have asked what else she suggested doing. If she didn't see any need for mail organization and the other committee members did see a need, I would just go ahead with my plan. But I do like the suggestion of BeckyTech to use Command Hooks. Except I'd just use the Command Strips to attache the mail holder to the wall. Susie has a point that when new systems are put into place, holes are often left in the walls and it looks unsightly. Then everyone would win. Susie wouldn't have holes in the wall and you would have your mailbox.
Good luck. It's tricky to navigate all the feelings and egos of volunteers. So often a decision is made after a lot of discussion, but I don't want to type out a page of explanation in an email of how we arrived at that decision. But then I usually do because that's how 200 people know what is happening and why. But then there are those who tell me they don't read their email, but continue to ask the questions answered in the email... It takes a lot of patience to run a volunteer group, but when I get irritated, I try to tell myself that that is what I signed up for.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 18, 2016 17:42:50 GMT
"fit in before you stand out." This is some of the best advice I've ever heard. As I get older, I try to use it more and more. We are a military family and have moved around a lot. I got a lot of experience with a lot of different jobs/subjects in a short amount of time. And I used to jump in all gung-ho, really to make it all better. But it really is a good option to sit back and see how the group works and how the dynamics of the group works. You get to know who gets things done, who the complainers are, who the good idea fairies are... but also how what works in one place may not work in another. And vice versa.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 18, 2016 18:07:57 GMT
I'm exhausted with her right along with you. I am a huge believer in the fact that we Americans are entitled and have too much. I admire people who do not give for the sake of giving. That said, I hate hate HATE when anyone shoves things in our faces. If that is your thing, great! More power to you. But let me do what **I** want. That is what makes America great
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Mar 19, 2016 5:37:48 GMT
"Fit in before you stand out." is excellent advice!! I couldn't help think that anyone going on Survivor should be told that. haha!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Mar 19, 2016 6:24:30 GMT
Not a Christian so not an expert, but I thought part of that belief system was not judging others? So is she not contradictory to her own belief system every time she sits in judgy mcjudgerson territory? She seems to have a high need for validation of her awesomeness.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Mar 19, 2016 17:17:45 GMT
The two things that come to mind is that she needs to be gently reminded to not stand in judgement, it isn't her job, it is God's job. And that she seems to have a spirit of fear which is also something contrary to our beliefs. You know, fear the hot chocolate is going to make a mess, fear that cups will be wasted, fear that holes will be in the wall and so on.
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Post by BeckyTech on Mar 19, 2016 19:29:57 GMT
Not a Christian so not an expert, but I thought part of that belief system was not judging others? It is also part of the belief system to admit that we all have imperfections, including in oneself, and it sounds like that's what the young woman was doing when @tinyt said of their conversation "She has admitted to me that she struggles with feeling" ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 20:10:17 GMT
Not a Christian so not an expert, but I thought part of that belief system was not judging others? So is she not contradictory to her own belief system every time she sits in judgy mcjudgerson territory? She seems to have a high need for validation of her awesomeness. I guess this is where the old saying comes in, I'm Christian, I'm not free from sin but Gods grace is bigger than my sins. As a Christian you work to be pure like Jesus, but fail everyday because we're human. God doesn't disown us when we go against Him, just like we don't disown our kids when they go against us. Susie has a strong faith, And she is a sweetheart. But even two God-loving people can have very different work personalities, which can make it hard to work together. I'm sure God is using both of us as lessons to each other, lol.
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Post by georgiapea on Mar 19, 2016 22:40:30 GMT
I would replace her and let her know she needs to grow in maturity to work in a committee setting.
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Post by Country Ham on Mar 19, 2016 23:32:08 GMT
I would replace her and let her know she needs to grow in maturity to work in a committee setting. Part of a mature committee is also learning to work with people who are disagreeable. It's easy if everyone agrees with everything. In this situation you got someone willing to work but has a difficult personality. That happens. Doesn't mean they deserve to be replaced. I also contend that "grow in maturity" is terribly vague. What does that mean exactly? How would this girl take a comment like that and apply it to her life objectively. What criteria would need to be met so that she could return to the committee? How does one measure maturity in order to say "ok she is mature enough, that one is not etc".
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Post by Legacy Girl on Mar 25, 2016 3:53:20 GMT
Philippians 2:3: Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves.
As you are praying for her, perhaps pray this scripture over her. While you can be open to her opinions and perspectives, she might also benefit from the ability to consider others more important than herself.
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Post by anonrefugee on Mar 25, 2016 11:28:02 GMT
Volunteerism is difficult in any situation because there is less hierarchy and everyone is giving their time. It makes it so much harder when a single person has a differing view. In my current situation one person is overwhelmingly critical of others. It wouldn't hurt you to listen to new perspectives. Since she is sensitive to waste and materialism you can have her focus on sustainability and teaching kids to be a good steward of resources. Try to think of the specialties she brings to the group, instead of focusing on how she is different. I'm not just saying this because I agree with her about the mailbox 950nancy I'm going to keep your advice to share with my sons later!
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