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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 27, 2016 22:01:48 GMT
I also find it interesting that the HOA side goes to the extreme of tires for walls and 15 cars on bricks in their neighbors yard. Save for 2 years, I have always lived in non-HOA communities and have never had issues with eyesore neighbors or anything outrageous. I was never more frustrated with my neighborhood than when I lived in a condo complex with an HOA. I moved after I got a letter reprimanding me for using a battery powered drill in my garage. I was told I wasn't allowed to use any power tools that would require the use of an electrical outlet because the garage power was a shared expense. ..with a battery powered drill...that I charged in the condo I paid for electricity in....
It creeped me out that someone was watching what I was doing and had the nerve to report me to the board.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 27, 2016 22:02:09 GMT
But I didn't say same, I said harmonious, and pointed out that not only do different models of houses have different architectural features but that people can and should have their own decorating style on top of those features. The paint colors and materials are standard but there are lots of variations to be had. My neighbor has a large bump out with brick facing. I have a bay window and a stone raised planting bed, with two Adirondack chairs in the yard. My neighbor on the other side has a large brick patio, a cherry tree, and a large planting of hostas. The end unit has a gazebo on the back corner of the house. But the shingles are all the same, yes. They allow Adirondack chairs to just sit around in the yard all day, where anyone passing by could see and be offended by them? I bet they can only be tan, willow, or ecru. Tell me you're a rebel with one pink and one blue chair! Ha ha ha! That's exactly what we did at our cabin! We were looking at getting some Adirondack chairs made of that heavy duty colored resin lifetime stuff that you can leave out in all seasons. DH asked me what color we should choose, looking at the brown and gray boring ones. DD and I looked at each other and said "rainbow" LOL. Being the tolerant man he is, that's what we went with! One hot pink, one royal blue, one teal and one yellow. If we ever go back for more, I told him we should get an orange and a purple to complete the set! I also want a mailbox with polka dots. We definitely wouldn't fit in anywhere with a HOA.
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Post by Zee on Mar 27, 2016 22:12:28 GMT
You never cease to interest me. Never change. I love it! I guess I'm not sure why you're surprised. I may have said I iron, but I've never once said I believe everyone should have to iron. That's the difference to me. I guess I'm surprised because you seem like you would like to be in charge, like you like to be in control. But I guess that only extends to your house, not everyone else's. It wasn't an insult! Just an observation. And you always throw a curve ball in there. I like that.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 27, 2016 22:12:55 GMT
I also find it interesting that the HOA side goes to the extreme of tires for walls and 15 cars on bricks in their neighbors yard. Save for 2 years, I have always lived in non-HOA communities and have never had issues with eyesore neighbors or anything outrageous. I was never more frustrated with my neighborhood than when I lived in a condo complex with an HOA. I moved after I got a letter reprimanding me for using a battery powered drill in my garage. I was told I wasn't allowed to use any power tools that would require the use of an electrical outlet because the garage power was a shared expense. ..with a battery powered drill...thay I charged in the condo I paid for electricity in.... It creeped me out that someone was watching what I was doing and had the nerve to report me to the board. I've always lived in non HOA areas. My parents had some craptastic neighbors, but it doesn't kill them.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 27, 2016 22:14:02 GMT
I guess I'm not sure why you're surprised. I may have said I iron, but I've never once said I believe everyone should have to iron. That's the difference to me. I guess I'm surprised because you seem like you would like to be in charge, like you like to be in control. But I guess that only extends to your house, not everyone else's. It wasn't an insult! Just an observation. And you always throw a curve ball in there. I like that. I am pretty OCD about my own household. But I wouldn't want an outside entity like an HOA to tell me what to do, so I have no desire to tell my neighbors what to do
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Post by Zee on Mar 27, 2016 22:14:16 GMT
They allow Adirondack chairs to just sit around in the yard all day, where anyone passing by could see and be offended by them? I bet they can only be tan, willow, or ecru. Tell me you're a rebel with one pink and one blue chair! Sorry, they're both cedar. I had high hopes. I dare you to buy a pair of old rubber boots and plant flowers in them and put them at the feet of those inoffensive cedar chairs, and then report back on how long it takes for you to get a complaint. Please!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 27, 2016 22:45:31 GMT
Sorry, they're both cedar. I had high hopes. I dare you to buy a pair of old rubber boots and plant flowers in them and put them at the feet of those inoffensive cedar chairs, and then report back on how long it takes for you to get a complaint. Please! Or make one of those flower planters out of an old toilet.
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Post by misadventurous on Mar 27, 2016 22:48:37 GMT
They allow Adirondack chairs to just sit around in the yard all day, where anyone passing by could see and be offended by them? I bet they can only be tan, willow, or ecru. Tell me you're a rebel with one pink and one blue chair! Sorry, they're both cedar. So, just out of curiosity, would you be allowed to have pink and blue chairs if you wanted? Do they sort of let you do as you please as long as it fits into the theme unless someone complains? Or do you have an actual color palette that you have to follow in order to put accessories/lawn furniture where they can be seen by your neighbors? I don't live in a community with an HOA but find it interesting to hear how they operate!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 22:49:13 GMT
These pictures explain why I like living in a neighborhood with an HOA. Cities do not always respond swiftly to their own "unsightly objects" ordinances. How did you find the photos of my backyard.
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Post by Leone on Mar 27, 2016 22:50:20 GMT
I wouldn't buy without an HOA as I've seen over and over again how junky neighborhoods can become without them. Your property value is far more likely to be higher in neighborhoods that don't allow things like trailers on your land. Where I live and where I'm moving to in April would never allow it. The builder will often tell you anything to make a sale. I doubt your friend will win this battle. And if she does, she won't be popular with her neighbors. I won't even buy in a development that doesn't insist all cars must be kept in garages overnight as garages become storage sheds for some.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 27, 2016 22:51:48 GMT
Is there something about this trailer that makes it unsightly? The travel trailers I have seen are very nice and in no way an eyesore.
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Post by Zee on Mar 27, 2016 22:56:43 GMT
I wouldn't buy without an HOA as I've seen over and over again how junky neighborhoods can become without them. Your property value is far more likely to be higher in neighborhoods that don't allow things like trailers on your land. Where I live and where I'm moving to in April would never allow it. The builder will often tell you anything to make a sale. I doubt your friend will win this battle. And if she does, she won't be popular with her neighbors. I won't even buy in a development that doesn't insist all cars must be kept in garages overnight as garages become storage sheds for some. Can you see Edward Scissorhands' castle from your back yard, on a clear day?
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 27, 2016 23:02:05 GMT
Sorry, they're both cedar. So, just out of curiosity, would you be allowed to have pink and blue chairs if you wanted? Do they sort of let you do as you please as long as it fits into the theme unless someone complains? Or do you have an actual color palette that you have to follow in order to put accessories/lawn furniture where they can be seen by your neighbors? I don't live in a community with an HOA but find it interesting to hear how they operate! None of the documents cover lawn furniture except under the general guidance of clean and well maintained. You could have pink and blue chairs if you wanted and we would probably decline to act on a complaint because that doesn't violate the guidelines. The palette is siding, trim, roofing. My chairs are cedar because I found them at a tag sale and liked them, that's all.
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:09:52 GMT
If you can't differentiate between requiring the exterior of houses to maintain a similarity of design and the people inside actually being all the same, I don't know what to tell you. It's not that I can't tell the difference. It's that I am making a judgment about what kind of people would want the exteriors of all the houses to be the same. Yeah, I'm not going to play your childish game. No HOA that I know of wants "the exteriors of all the houses to be the same." You are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of being insulting.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 27, 2016 23:12:52 GMT
I wouldn't buy without an HOA as I've seen over and over again how junky neighborhoods can become without them. Your property value is far more likely to be higher in neighborhoods that don't allow things like trailers on your land. Where I live and where I'm moving to in April would never allow it. The builder will often tell you anything to make a sale. I doubt your friend will win this battle. And if she does, she won't be popular with her neighbors. I won't even buy in a development that doesn't insist all cars must be kept in garages overnight as garages become storage sheds for some. holy crap. Wed never be able to do that. Dh and I each own a car, we also have a truck, and at one point both of our boys will be driving. Wed have to have a 5 car garage.
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:15:46 GMT
I also find it interesting that the HOA side goes to the extreme of tires for walls and 15 cars on bricks in their neighbors yard. Save for 2 years, I have always lived in non-HOA communities and have never had issues with eyesore neighbors or anything outrageous. I would have said the same thing 15 years ago. It's never a problem until it's YOUR neighbor with six cars in the driveway, or who is a hoarder whose hoard has spread onto the porch and driveway, or who has his trees festooned with signs with racist slogans on them, and you're trying to sell your house without losing money on it.
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Post by Zee on Mar 27, 2016 23:18:16 GMT
I wouldn't buy without an HOA as I've seen over and over again how junky neighborhoods can become without them. Your property value is far more likely to be higher in neighborhoods that don't allow things like trailers on your land. Where I live and where I'm moving to in April would never allow it. The builder will often tell you anything to make a sale. I doubt your friend will win this battle. And if she does, she won't be popular with her neighbors. I won't even buy in a development that doesn't insist all cars must be kept in garages overnight as garages become storage sheds for some. holy crap. Wed never be able to do that. Dh and I each own a car, we also have a truck, and at one point both of our boys will be driving. Wed have to have a 5 car garage. Yeah, we have four cars. Four drivers. I suppose there's a special place set well outside the gates for those with extra cars? Or families just make do with two cars? Or they all have ginormous garages? I'm dying that there are people so offended by the sight of a car in a driveway. Just imagine if someone dared park on the street!
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Post by misadventurous on Mar 27, 2016 23:24:37 GMT
So, just out of curiosity, would you be allowed to have pink and blue chairs if you wanted? Do they sort of let you do as you please as long as it fits into the theme unless someone complains? Or do you have an actual color palette that you have to follow in order to put accessories/lawn furniture where they can be seen by your neighbors? I don't live in a community with an HOA but find it interesting to hear how they operate! None of the documents cover lawn furniture except under the general guidance of clean and well maintained. You could have pink and blue chairs if you wanted and we would probably decline to act on a complaint because that doesn't violate the guidelines. The palette is siding, trim, roofing. My chairs are cedar because I found them at a tag sale and liked them, that's all. That sounds reasonable. You do hear some pretty crazy HOA stories, so I was curious to know just how much control they had over what you could put in your yard. I like the way many HOA-controlled communities look, but some I do think are a little too homogeneous. When we were house-hunting we joked after looking at one place that if we ever came home drunk we'd never be able to find it.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 27, 2016 23:30:37 GMT
It's not that I can't tell the difference. It's that I am making a judgment about what kind of people would want the exteriors of all the houses to be the same. Yeah, I'm not going to play your childish game. No HOA that I know of wants "the exteriors of all the houses to be the same." You are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of being insulting. It's only being obtuse if I'm pretending like I don't understand. I do understand. It's just that I think people who like HOAs have the personalities of Stepford Wives. Making a value judgment you don't agree with is different than being obtuse.
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:31:05 GMT
holy crap. Wed never be able to do that. Dh and I each own a car, we also have a truck, and at one point both of our boys will be driving. Wed have to have a 5 car garage. Yeah, we have four cars. Four drivers. I suppose there's a special place set well outside the gates for those with extra cars? Or families just make do with two cars? Or they all have ginormous garages? I'm dying that there are people so offended by the sight of a car in a driveway. Just imagine if someone dared park on the street! That wouldn't happen here. There are no basements in this part of Texas, and most people use at least part of their garage for storage, so many have at least one car in the driveway. What I object to are the essentially undriveable cars that sit under dirty covers in my neighbor's driveway. There are ordinances against inoperable cars being kept on residential property, so they get them running well enough to take them around the block a couple of times once a month or so, and then go back to disassembling the engine on weekends. These houses were built in 1955 and have small garages and small driveways by 2016 standards - six cars means the driveway is completely full and two cars are parked in the street at all times. I get that lots of houses have more than two drivers - we'll be there in a couple of years ourselves. But IMO, if you've got enough money for multiple project cars and/or just like to work on cars as a hobby, you've got enough money to expand your garage or rent a storage unit for that purpose.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 27, 2016 23:31:22 GMT
I also find it interesting that the HOA side goes to the extreme of tires for walls and 15 cars on bricks in their neighbors yard. Save for 2 years, I have always lived in non-HOA communities and have never had issues with eyesore neighbors or anything outrageous. I would have said the same thing 15 years ago. It's never a problem until it's YOUR neighbor with six cars in the driveway, or who is a hoarder whose hoard has spread onto the porch and driveway, or who has his trees festooned with signs with racist slogans on them, and you're trying to sell your house without losing money on it. Growing up we had 5 cars parked in the driveway. 5 of us lived there. Where else would we park? What's wrong with that?
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:33:42 GMT
Yeah, I'm not going to play your childish game. No HOA that I know of wants "the exteriors of all the houses to be the same." You are being deliberately obtuse for the sake of being insulting. It's only being obtuse if I'm pretending like I don't understand. I do understand. It's just that I think people who like HOAs have the personalities of Stepford Wives. Making a value judgment you don't agree with is different than being obtuse. You clearly don't understand if you think that carbon copy houses are the goal. Personally, I think that people who want to accuse others of being Stepford Wives because they don't like chaos in their neighborhood are stupid, judgmental bitches. Just a value judgment.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 27, 2016 23:43:15 GMT
As the president of our HOA (actually sub-association)(I am the president of all the duplexes that were built in our neighborhood..there are 82 units out of about 700 houses).... THANK goodness for our HOA. After being here for almost 20 years, the neighborhood still looks decent. The problem is that with the duplexes.. a lot of them do get rented out and not taken care of. At least with the HOA, they are painted every five years and new roofs about every 15 years (they been replaced once)... Otherwise a lot of them would look like total poop now. Yards that are overgrown, etc. They get fined monthly and finally when nothing else gets done a lien is put on the house. We are very low key and not over the top like a lot of HOAs. Lots of color in the neighborhood.. trashcans you have 24 hours to get in. Any car that has expired plates sitting on the streets will be removed if the car looks like it is not running, etc. If the car is being moved that is okay. Any changes to the house (deck, porch, sheds) have to be approved. Furniture..it has to be lawn furniture but you can have any colors.. you can plant flowers, etc... you cannot plant a cactus (or a plant that is not of this region) though because of bugs or whatever they could bring in.
Anyways, I remember when we moved in the builder was in charge of the HOA until there were a certain amount of people moved in. Then the board was formed. We are a non-camper neighborhood (there are some neighborhoods close by that allow campers and they have HOAs)....Builders (and realtors) are notorious for saying anything to get people to move in, including ...ummm yeah there are no HOAs in this neighborhood ....for YEARS we had to fight issues because the builder or realtor didn't know the rules or didn't tell the new owners about the HOA. (This was only in the beginning..there are signs now at the entrances, etc.)
Tough situation.. I see both sides... it's a tough call at this point!!
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 27, 2016 23:45:50 GMT
And I have to say to call people names who live in a HOA neighborhood, well is just downright rude. It's like me calling someone trash who doesn't live in a HOA neighborhood.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 27, 2016 23:46:54 GMT
It's only being obtuse if I'm pretending like I don't understand. I do understand. It's just that I think people who like HOAs have the personalities of Stepford Wives. Making a value judgment you don't agree with is different than being obtuse. You clearly don't understand if you think that carbon copy houses are the goal. Personally, I think that people who want to accuse others of being Stepford Wives because they don't like chaos in their neighborhood are stupid, judgmental bitches. Just a value judgment. So why are you so emotional about defending HOAs? Judgmental bitches pretty much sums up HOAs.
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Post by Merge on Mar 27, 2016 23:49:22 GMT
You clearly don't understand if you think that carbon copy houses are the goal. Personally, I think that people who want to accuse others of being Stepford Wives because they don't like chaos in their neighborhood are stupid, judgmental bitches. Just a value judgment. So why are you so emotional about defending HOAs? Judgmental bitches pretty much sums up HOAs. Not emotional at all. Look, if you want to live in a trash heap piled with inoperable cars, where your neighbors can destroy your property value, be my guest. Just do it in someone else's neighborhood. If not wanting to live next to that makes me a judgmental bitch, so be it. I work hard for my money and so does my husband, and we don't intend to have our investment ruined by the possibility of neighbors who don't care. It seems to me you're a wee bit defensive about your own living situation ... perhaps your own house/yard is the one bringing down the neighbors' values?
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 27, 2016 23:51:54 GMT
As the president of our HOA (actually sub-association)(I am the president of all the duplexes that were built in our neighborhood..there are 82 units out of about 700 houses).... THANK goodness for our HOA. After being here for almost 20 years, the neighborhood still looks decent. The problem is that with the duplexes.. a lot of them do get rented out and not taken care of. At least with the HOA, they are painted every five years and new roofs about every 15 years (they been replaced once)... Otherwise a lot of them would look like total poop now. Yards that are overgrown, etc. They get fined monthly and finally when nothing else gets done a lien is put on the house. We are very low key and not over the top like a lot of HOAs. Lots of color in the neighborhood.. trashcans you have 24 hours to get in. Any car that has expired plates sitting on the streets will be removed if the car looks like it is not running, etc. If the car is being moved that is okay. Any changes to the house (deck, porch, sheds) have to be approved. Furniture..it has to be lawn furniture but you can have any colors.. you can plant flowers, etc... you cannot plant a cactus (or a plant that is not of this region) though because of bugs or whatever they could bring in. Anyways, I remember when we moved in the builder was in charge of the HOA until there were a certain amount of people moved in. Then the board was formed. We are a non-camper neighborhood (there are some neighborhoods close by that allow campers and they have HOAs)....Builders (and realtors) are notorious for saying anything to get people to move in, including ...ummm yeah there are no HOAs in this neighborhood ....for YEARS we had to fight issues because the builder or realtor didn't know the rules or didn't tell the new owners about the HOA. (This was only in the beginning..there are signs now at the entrances, etc.) Tough situation.. I see both sides... it's a tough call at this point!! I live in a non HOA neighborhood and see the city parking enforcement come down my street every day. I've even gotten a parking ticket from them before . I think a lot of this varies from region to region, I live in a part of the country where even the most dilapidated home can go for close to a million dollars. People here want the land, not the building.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 23:56:15 GMT
We had a development where you couldn't own a a vehicle more than 5 years old or it had to be tagged a classic car. We drive through now and they must have lighted that ban.
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Post by melanell on Mar 28, 2016 0:08:20 GMT
Our city would have taken care of those with as much speed as an HOA. Our code enforcement officers do a great job. Yep. Same here.
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Post by melanell on Mar 28, 2016 0:12:16 GMT
But I didn't say same, I said harmonious, and pointed out that not only do different models of houses have different architectural features but that people can and should have their own decorating style on top of those features. The paint colors and materials are standard but there are lots of variations to be had. My neighbor has a large bump out with brick facing. I have a bay window and a stone raised planting bed, with two Adirondack chairs in the yard. My neighbor on the other side has a large brick patio, a cherry tree, and a large planting of hostas. The end unit has a gazebo on the back corner of the house. But the shingles are all the same, yes. They allow Adirondack chairs to just sit around in the yard all day, where anyone passing by could see and be offended by them? I bet they can only be tan, willow, or ecru. Tell me you're a rebel with one pink and one blue chair! There is this gorgeous old house that I know of, where in the summer, the string white lights in the branches of an old oak tree on the property, and beneath it they put a circle of Adirondack chairs with every chair painted a different color. It's a rainbow of chairs under the twinkle lights. I love it! This is the general idea, but in rainbow colors in a backyard: Pinterest Adirondack chair photoETA: Sorry, I just realized how totally off on a tangent this post is! I can find a picture of Adirondack chairs near an RV if it would be better.
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