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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 1:17:50 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. To me this just takes forever! 100-34=66. Anyone who knows what the coin values are should be able to know what to give back instantly. Much faster than counting up coin by coin like that IMO.
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Post by Peamac on Mar 29, 2016 1:24:45 GMT
Teach her to start counting with the smallest coins first, and work up to the biggest bills. It should be pretty easy, but like others have said, most people don't do it anymore.
And I agree with coins in the hand first, bills on top.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 29, 2016 1:37:04 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. To me this just takes forever! 100-34=66. Anyone who knows what the coin values are should be able to know what to give back instantly. Much faster than counting up coin by coin like that IMO. for some maybe. I found counting up was way faster, especially when working the drive thru. It is very fast.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 29, 2016 1:45:32 GMT
Lots of people answered your question but I felt the need to ask to remind her to put the CHANGE in the person's hand first, THEN tthe BILLS. I can't tell you frustrating it is to have a cashier flop the bills and put a handful of change on top of hte bills in my hand, only to have a few coins fall off my hand onto the counter and I have to pick them up again, and worse at the drive thru for obvious reaasons (I just leave it there, not enough room to get out of the car and run around for a penny or dime). Anyway, just my two cents ha ha. (pun there inteneded) OMG!! YES YES!! I hate that! esp in the drive thru! the coins just slide off? what is the purpose of the dollars 1st I wonder?
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 29, 2016 2:37:42 GMT
Lots of people answered your question but I felt the need to ask to remind her to put the CHANGE in the person's hand first, THEN tthe BILLS. I can't tell you frustrating it is to have a cashier flop the bills and put a handful of change on top of hte bills in my hand, only to have a few coins fall off my hand onto the counter and I have to pick them up again, and worse at the drive thru for obvious reaasons (I just leave it there, not enough room to get out of the car and run around for a penny or dime). Anyway, just my two cents ha ha. (pun there inteneded) OMG!! YES YES!! I hate that! esp in the drive thru! the coins just slide off? what is the purpose of the dollars 1st I wonder? It's a side effect of no one having to count change anymore. They just grab the correct amount out of the drawer, then give the bills followed by coins. The cash register tells them $7.38 change, so they give it to you the way it reads. When you count change, you would start with the coins to get to the next dollar, then follow up with the bills.
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Post by scrapaddie on Mar 29, 2016 2:42:56 GMT
It is also useful skill so that you have more bills than change in your pocket. Mir is simple..., start from the price and add change until you get up to the amount that was given
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Post by katlady on Mar 29, 2016 2:52:42 GMT
Tell her to be prepared for people, like my mom *cough*, who will give her $21.00 when the total is $10.83. My mom does this so she doesn't get a lot of singles back, just a $10 bill plus change. Sometimes I tell my mom don't do that because you are just confusing them, as the person tries to hand back the $1 bill to my mom.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 29, 2016 2:57:00 GMT
I had to learn how to count change a few years back. I went to work for a mom & pop business and they insisted on change being counted back to each customer. It was hard to learn as a 25 year old who was just used to typing in the amount and having the computer tell me what to do. I've never been particularly good at math though.
The best way they taught me was by "playing store". They would collect a few random items and bring them to me to ring up and present me with all sorts of different payment situations like the standard $20, the person that changes their mind and gives you a quarter halfway through, the person that does all kinds of weirdness because they want an even dollar amount back, etc. Once I actually started doing it in these practices the concepts finally clicked together.
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 29, 2016 3:47:59 GMT
I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. I'm in the U.S. We have had multiple threads about it on the peas and peas from all over have agreed. It's corporate policy at A LOT of big box stores. I have never seen those threads but I wish I did. I know that this is not a widely used policy in my area, big box stores or not. I have to admit I am intrigued by where you live, you seem to have a lot of rules and policies that are interesting and so different from my area. But you obviously love it and it works for you so I guess it really doesn't matter if it seems strange to me.
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Post by my3freaks on Mar 29, 2016 4:11:41 GMT
I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. I'm in the U.S. We have had multiple threads about it on the peas and peas from all over have agreed. It's corporate policy at A LOT of big box stores. There are some stores that have policy's against opening a drawer just to make change, but I don't know how they'd have a policy about taking some coins while you're still in the transaction. As long as the money balances against the reports at the end of the day/shift, no one would know what was entered unless they went looking for it. I can't imagine being told, "Sorry, I can't take that penny, I'll be fired. You will just have to deal with this 99 cents in change." Weird.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 29, 2016 4:13:04 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I haven't ever experienced that either, although I have had many young cashiers have to call the manager over because they don't know what change to give back. This just happened to my sister last week when she was visiting. They went to a mom and pop bakery and bought a couple donuts and two coffees. The 20-something girl running the register gave BIL the wrong change back and he caught it right away. Then they bought a small cake, got out to the car and my sister thought the total was way too high for what was essentially a large cupcake. She called the store and found out she had been overcharged by ten dollars. When she went back in to get it the girl gave her a hard time instead of just giving her the $10 (which the manager had already set aside next to the register to give back to her). My first job was in a small drug store and the cash register they used then was at least 80 years old (seriously, with the little keys you pushed down that said 5¢, 10¢ etc. and the little things flipped up side the glass!) and I had to learn how to count back change. I also needed to know how to do it when I worked in every retail job I had after that, as a teller, when I worked as a bank CSR and when I had my own small retail store even though I had a computerized register. You need to know how to do it if you ever have a garage sale, work at a PTA bake sale or library book sale, if you ever work at a bank or if you just want to make sure you're not being chumped on your change at McDonald's by a kid who simply doesn't know how to count. You do the counting in your head as you take the change out of the cubbies in the cash drawer, counting up. You don't need to count back every coin to the customer, just know that the coins you're handing to them (FIRST! As many have pointed out) add up to the next dollar, then count the bills into their hand beyond that. So for example: Total = $2.38, they pay with a $10 Counting in your head as you pull the coins from the drawer, $2.38, plus 2¢ is 40, plus 10¢ is 50, plus two more quarters is $3.00 Four (another dollar), five (another dollar), and $5 more is ten dollars. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. And if you want to help her out with one more tip from a seasoned cash handler, tell her to never put the bill they are paying with into the drawer until she has counted back the change to the customer, and name the amount they have paid in the transaction. So with the above example, I would say, "Your total is $2.38, out of ten." (Hand them the coins) "This makes three," (count out the ones) "four, five," (hand them the $5) "and five makes ten." Then, and only then, put the ten into the cash drawer. This makes it much harder for someone to shortchange her by saying they gave her a larger bill than they actually paid with.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 29, 2016 4:15:57 GMT
Tell her to be prepared for people, like my mom *cough*, who will give her $21.00 when the total is $10.83. My mom does this so she doesn't get a lot of singles back, just a $10 bill plus change. Sometimes I tell my mom don't do that because you are just confusing them, as the person tries to hand back the $1 bill to my mom. I'm like your mum so we've been practicing that as well!
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Post by jemali on Mar 29, 2016 4:18:23 GMT
I think the "no giving coins once the amount is entered" deal is to prevent people trying to cheat the cashier. Like "oh wait, I will give you the twelve cents and then you can just give me $5 back" or whatever and trying to confuse the cashier into giving them excess money back.
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Post by its me mg on Mar 29, 2016 6:06:28 GMT
I've only experienced one person freak out over keying in the wrong amount, and it was at in-n-out. I had a bill that was $18.XX and I handed her a 20 and the exact coins. She hits $50.00 and had to call her manager over.
Maybe the till keeps track, but honestly in my full service restaurant you can type in that there was a $1,000.00 cash payment applied to a $20.00 tab, but it wouldn't matter so long as you just give the person the $2.00.
Not sure why the freak out.
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Post by gar on Mar 29, 2016 6:58:42 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. There are other places to work other than big box stores, other situations when it might be needed so I still think it's a valuable skill to have.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 29, 2016 10:33:55 GMT
Tell her to be prepared for people, like my mom *cough*, who will give her $21.00 when the total is $10.83. My mom does this so she doesn't get a lot of singles back, just a $10 bill plus change. Sometimes I tell my mom don't do that because you are just confusing them, as the person tries to hand back the $1 bill to my mom. I regularly add bills, pennies, nickels, whatever to maximize paper back with the fewest bills and minimize the number and types of coins. Most younger people have trouble with it and I have to explain. They use debits so rarely deal with actual money in their own lives. Older folks get it right away.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Mar 29, 2016 10:40:44 GMT
Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. I don't think I have ever been made aware, either. I add pennies or whatever all the time. Sometimes they don't know what to do. Other times they do. Some push buttons to change the ampunt paid. I've never had someone refuse.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Mar 29, 2016 10:56:29 GMT
I learned by flipping it around and saying, if I have x amount of money, how much more would it take to get to y? So if the total sale is $9.65 and the customer pays with a $20, first I need a nickel to get to 9.70, then I need 30 cents more to make $10. Now I need another $10 to get to $20. So the customer should receive $10.35 in change. My 4th grader is doing mental math right now and this is the way I'm teaching her to do it (although at this age it's simplified to mentally subtracting from 100). Lana This is exactly how I learned to count back change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 11:21:03 GMT
I count back change at craft shows most times. My oldest has been helping me at a few so I've taught him to count back. However, I work mostly in whole dollar amounts. It's a start at least. He's such a background type of person, I suspect he'll be the one making the food before he works a register.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 12:27:44 GMT
Lots of people answered your question but I felt the need to ask to remind her to put the CHANGE in the person's hand first, THEN tthe BILLS. I can't tell you frustrating it is to have a cashier flop the bills and put a handful of change on top of hte bills in my hand, only to have a few coins fall off my hand onto the counter and I have to pick them up again, and worse at the drive thru for obvious reaasons (I just leave it there, not enough room to get out of the car and run around for a penny or dime). Anyway, just my two cents ha ha. (pun there inteneded) I hate when they dump all the change in to your hand, so annoying. Having worked in several retail stores I can honestly say I've never counted back change to anyone. The register tells you how much change to give and you just tell the customer that amount while handing it over.
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Post by cmhs on Mar 29, 2016 12:52:42 GMT
This was my exact experience as well. The ancient cash register, drug store, first job... I still remember the moment I had my big "ah ha" revelation when a coworker taught me to count back change. It's just one of those skills that's good to have even if you don't necessarily use it.
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Post by utmr on Mar 29, 2016 14:02:45 GMT
I really am becoming a curmudgeon. I don't like change dumped on top of the bills. I don't like having coins, cash, receipt and purchase being shoved at me at then the next customer shoving into me while I'm sorting out the hot mess the cashier has given me.
And by golly, if the total is $31.57, and I hand you $42.07, I expect a ten and two quarters back. Not my two singles, my seven cents and another $8.43 back.
Don't even start me on the lack of thank you, or bagging my purchase or anything else.
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Post by freebird on Mar 29, 2016 14:34:41 GMT
At 12 I could count change and impress the shit out of adults in the process. I still count change back to customers like this and it still impresses the shit out of adults.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 14:38:02 GMT
as far as teaching her goes, I would start very basic with no coins involved a customer buys something for $5, she gives me $10, count back $5 - money in her hand plus your hand must equal the original $10 as a method of testing her maths a customer buys something for $10, she gives me $20, count back $10 - money in her hand plus your hand must equal the original $20 as a method of testing her maths and so on do lots of easy ones first and then add in the complex coins then get her to read this thread and all the complaining from customers that she's in for in her new job
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Post by ilikepink on Mar 29, 2016 15:03:21 GMT
I'm really bad with math and money. The very few situations I've worked/been in, I very carefully count the change out (twice!) just be sure. I have a friend who's mom owns a vintage book store - not even a register! Hand written receipts, and a drawer or envelope for change. Really have to stop and do it carefully when I'm helping out. And I'm another one for change first, in my hand, then the bills. Don't give me the bills, the receipt and then the change on top and want me to move out of the way for the next customer. Back in the day (damn, I'm old!) they would give you the change, and then bag your items - giving you time to put everything away before taking your purchase. And put the receipt in the bag! Oh, the olden days!
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Post by STBC on Mar 29, 2016 15:07:55 GMT
I'm in the U.S. We have had multiple threads about it on the peas and peas from all over have agreed. It's corporate policy at A LOT of big box stores. I don't know of any places here with a policy like that, but I do understand why they would. As a student (high school and college) I worked as a cashier and would be responsible for balancing my drawer to the penny, every night. We'd get training on "quick change" artists who would start with one bill for payment, and then ask for the change in a certain manner or offer additional money, and then switch it up several times, to the point the cashier gets flustered. Eventually, the person ends up getting back more money than they should.
Making change is important to know in situations where a cash register will not be used but cash transactions will take place - volunteer positions in concessions, at bake sales, garage sales, flea markets, etc. Even if someone never works in these situations, they will still be a customer somewhere and need to know they are getting the right amount of money back!
ETA: I was also a bank teller, so I did a lot of cash counting in my day
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Post by STBC on Mar 29, 2016 15:09:31 GMT
No matter how you teach her to count change, at least teach her to put the coins in the customer's hand, then the bills. I get so annoyed that hardly anyone does this anymore. If the coins are on top of the bills, then they can go sliding and fall on the counter or floor. As someone who has arthritis in both hands, this has become more of a problem in the past year or two. ETA: Looks like beanbuddymom and I were posting the same thought at the same time. Ha, see, I prefer it to be the exact opposite. Bills first, then coins. I was always a "coins first" cashier. Bills first bothers me too.
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Post by anonrefugee on Mar 29, 2016 15:16:39 GMT
Lol you can teach someone to count change faster than reading this thread. I learned in elementary school and never used it for a job until I was a PTA volunteer. But I still used it to add up pieces or parts of something and quickly determine how many more were needed.
our schools teach multiple methods in elementary school. Learning another math skill, like this, can't hurt if your DD knows where to apply it.
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Post by missmiss on Mar 29, 2016 15:17:14 GMT
This is actually a funny topic. The reason I find this funny is so many people get so upset at what they call Common Core Math. Now we are talking about counting change correctly. Your bill comes to $25.37 and the customer hands the cashier $30. The math problem becomes 30 - 25.37 which of course is 4.63 but MOST people can not do this in their head quickly. So like the counting change back But one of the methods that people lose their mind over is .03 + .60 gets me to 26 4 gets me to 30 so $4 + $0.03 + $0.60 = $4.63 change. Yet people hate Common Core hhahahaha. This video!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSVTzQlqbp0
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 29, 2016 15:34:42 GMT
I learned by flipping it around and saying, if I have x amount of money, how much more would it take to get to y? So if the total sale is $9.65 and the customer pays with a $20, first I need a nickel to get to 9.70, then I need 30 cents more to make $10. Now I need another $10 to get to $20. So the customer should receive $10.35 in change. My 4th grader is doing mental math right now and this is the way I'm teaching her to do it (although at this age it's simplified to mentally subtracting from 100). Lana This is how I learned because I was using a cash box when I started as a kid. I always think of it in even money denominations. For the example above I would start at the 9.65 and then... a dime makes 9.75 a quarter makes it 10.00 and 10.00 makes it 20.00 if it was 2.43 and I was given 5.00. I would... 2 pennies makes 2.45 a nickel makes 2.50 2 quarters makes 3.00 2 dollar bills makes 5.00
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