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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 28, 2016 22:30:57 GMT
My DD14 is anxious to get a job this summer and we have been practicing making change so she's comfortable with the math. We are having trouble explaining the process of counting back change (she and my DH are arguing about it right now!) and I can't find a video that demonstrates the concept. Anyone have a good resource?
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Post by MorningPerson on Mar 28, 2016 22:35:58 GMT
Honestly, I can't remember the last time someone counted back change to me. It seems that pretty much all establishments use point of sale registers that tell the cashier how much change to give back.
I'm lucky if I get a "Your change is __________." Usually they just put my change in my hand and move on.
Come to think of it, I'm impressed when they remember to thank me.
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Post by peano on Mar 28, 2016 22:37:44 GMT
Although I think it's a useful skill--and one I used just this past weekend as a cashier at our Winter Guard Home Show, don't most places use computerized cash registers that tell you the change amount?
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Post by myshelly on Mar 28, 2016 22:39:42 GMT
I can't remember the last time a cashier did this when I paid for something.
While I can understand that it is a useful life skill to know how much change you should get from a transaction, I don't want a cashier to count it out for me.
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Post by Zee on Mar 28, 2016 22:40:06 GMT
I think it's a good skill for her to know, but she doesn't need it. She should understand how to do it and know basics of how much change she could expect to give back to someone, but honestly...only an 80 year old would expect it, lol. The register will tell her how much to give and she'll quickly learn the correct numbers in her head.
I actually don't like when someone counts the change back to me. Just tell me the amount and say thank you.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 22:42:14 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken.
Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 28, 2016 22:43:51 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 22:46:31 GMT
I learned by flipping it around and saying, if I have x amount of money, how much more would it take to get to y?
So if the total sale is $9.65 and the customer pays with a $20, first I need a nickel to get to 9.70, then I need 30 cents more to make $10. Now I need another $10 to get to $20. So the customer should receive $10.35 in change.
My 4th grader is doing mental math right now and this is the way I'm teaching her to do it (although at this age it's simplified to mentally subtracting from 100).
Lana
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 22:47:36 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 28, 2016 22:49:14 GMT
Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. I'm in the U.S. We have had multiple threads about it on the peas and peas from all over have agreed. It's corporate policy at A LOT of big box stores.
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Post by SabrinaP on Mar 28, 2016 23:00:23 GMT
Start with change and count up until you get to the next dollar, then fill in with dollars.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Mar 28, 2016 23:03:53 GMT
Counting up will match the "new math" or common core concepts that they have been doing in school since they were tiny. One of our Girl Scouts had an ah-ha moment a few weeks ago when I showed her how to count up to make change.
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Post by melanell on Mar 28, 2016 23:09:08 GMT
Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. Being able to count back change is still useful even if you do currently work a job with a register that tells you the correct change. There are situations in life where you might handle money and make change without a register. (Or, in the case of some small shops going for a vintage feel, an old fashioned register.) Yard sales, bake sales, church sales, flea markets, PTO events, community raffles or fund-raisers, etc. are all examples. (While it only involves bills, I've been counting change back to my 5 year old every time we play Monopoly to try to get him used to the concept.)
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Post by AnotherPea on Mar 28, 2016 23:18:38 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. Wow. That's not my experience at all.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 28, 2016 23:19:12 GMT
Thanks everyone for the tips! I have seen too many cashiers head into absolute panic when they've keyed in the wrong amount of cash given or something else goes wrong and I want my DD to feel confident enough that she can figure it out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 28, 2016 23:24:16 GMT
I have never, ever had anyone tell me 'I can't take your penny, I could get fired' if I offer it to them. And like someone else said, sometimes they key in the wrong thing, and have to figure it out on their own. It's almost sad watching the gears inside their head frantically twirling around and seeing them scrambling for a calculator.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 23:24:30 GMT
It's just basic math. I don't see it as a special skill. Is she quick with mental math in general? Actually needing to count back the change isn't a big deal IMO because that's just not the expectation anymore. Being able to do the math in her head - that's the useful skill.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 28, 2016 23:27:53 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I have never experienced this. We don't use pennies anymore in Canada so registers aren't showing the exact cash amount owing and depending on the stores rounding policy (you'd think this would be standard but it's not), it won't show the correct change back either. Many businesses are still using registers without penny rounding technology.
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Post by scraphollie27 on Mar 28, 2016 23:29:18 GMT
It's just basic math. I don't see it as a special skill. Is she quick with mental math in general? Actually needing to count back the change isn't a big deal IMO because that's just not the expectation anymore. Being able to do the math in her head - that's the useful skill. No, she's not quick with mental math. We thought counting back might be a way to combat that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 23:31:48 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I don't see how that's even possible. The cashier does not input what denomination of coins/bills they receive. As long as they give back the correct amount of change, the till will balance and there would be no way of even knowing that they accepted a penny after entering the amount in the register.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2016 23:32:31 GMT
We were in game stop today and the cashier counted back the money to ds for a game he returned.
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Post by melanell on Mar 28, 2016 23:32:55 GMT
It's just basic math. I don't see it as a special skill. Is she quick with mental math in general? Actually needing to count back the change isn't a big deal IMO because that's just not the expectation anymore. Being able to do the math in her head - that's the useful skill. No, she's not quick with mental math. We thought counting back might be a way to combat that. It took me a long time to figure out mental math. In fact, when people complain about "new math", I often comment that it is trying to teach the mental math that it took me ages to learn on my own. But for counting back, she just has to get it straight in her head that she needs to start with what is actually owed and count up to what she was given. It may be helpful for her to practice doing just the verbal counting up without any money to get used to it, and then she can practice using money.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 28, 2016 23:36:15 GMT
Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. I don't see how that's even possible. The cashier does not input what denomination of coins/bills they receive. As long as they give back the correct amount of change, the till will balance and there would be no way of even knowing that they accepted a penny after entering the amount in the register ---------------------------------------- I have never ever heard of that?! I do it all the time. I don't think anyone has ever been fired? Are you sure your misunderstanding what we mean? Where are the other threads maybe? As far as counting back the change, my mother who has worked in retail for about 50 yrs, THIS is her biggest pet peeve with training in young kids these days. They can NOT count back change. So it's pretty much a dying skill I think.
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Post by scrapApea on Mar 28, 2016 23:56:24 GMT
Good heavens yes! I taught both my kids. I still remember my first job and the manager teaching me to add "up" to the dollar amount the person gave me instead of trying to subtract in my head. So if it was 5.75 and they gave me a twenty I'd give change back to "add up" the amount they gave me.... .25 makes 6 7 8 9 10, 10 makes 20. Easy peasy.
I was at the dollar store one day and the kid put in 300 instead of 3, he had no clue how to give change back since the register didn't give him the right amount. I had to talk him through it.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 29, 2016 0:28:19 GMT
I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case here. I'm in the U.S. We have had multiple threads about it on the peas and peas from all over have agreed. It's corporate policy at A LOT of big box stores. I have never had it happen either. They actually can't do it mentally? I have had numerous times where the cashier enters the wrong amount received and had to to it mentally. I have also given change after the fact and no one said anything. I wonder how anyone would actually know.
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Post by beanbuddymom on Mar 29, 2016 0:49:32 GMT
Lots of people answered your question but I felt the need to ask to remind her to put the CHANGE in the person's hand first, THEN tthe BILLS. I can't tell you frustrating it is to have a cashier flop the bills and put a handful of change on top of hte bills in my hand, only to have a few coins fall off my hand onto the counter and I have to pick them up again, and worse at the drive thru for obvious reaasons (I just leave it there, not enough room to get out of the car and run around for a penny or dime).
Anyway, just my two cents ha ha. (pun there inteneded)
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 29, 2016 0:53:04 GMT
No matter how you teach her to count change, at least teach her to put the coins in the customer's hand, then the bills. I get so annoyed that hardly anyone does this anymore. If the coins are on top of the bills, then they can go sliding and fall on the counter or floor. As someone who has arthritis in both hands, this has become more of a problem in the past year or two. ETA: Looks like beanbuddymom and I were posting the same thought at the same time.
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 29, 2016 1:11:45 GMT
I worked in one retail chain for many years. I started at holiday and stayed, so my cohort got a crash course on the cash registers. We were taught to count up from the total to what the customer gave you: if the total was $13.38 and the customer gave you $20, you started with pennies, then you give the largest denomination possible until you reach $20. Meaning a five and a one and change, not six ones when you have fives to give.
Some of the younger cashiers needed to practice it so we would just get out a till and practice it a few times. Once you get the concept it's easy.
The register will tell you how much change to give, but it's useful to know how to count it the other way so that you always get it right.
If your customer then digs up three pennies to get all silver change back, you drop the pennies in the till and give the right change, no problem.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Mar 29, 2016 1:13:56 GMT
She still needs to know how to do it. Someone could give her a penny after she has typed the amount given in or the change make could be broken. Teach her to count up. You total was 2.34. .35...give penny .40 give nickel .50 give dime. .75, 3.00 give quarters. Most businesses won't allow you to accept change after you put the amount into the register. Cashiers could lose their jobs for that. You still need to know how to count back, in case you put type in $12, when the customer gave you $15 on a $10.54 order, so that you don't have to call the manager over to know how much change you're actually supposed to give.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 1:13:58 GMT
No matter how you teach her to count change, at least teach her to put the coins in the customer's hand, then the bills. I get so annoyed that hardly anyone does this anymore. If the coins are on top of the bills, then they can go sliding and fall on the counter or floor. As someone who has arthritis in both hands, this has become more of a problem in the past year or two. ETA: Looks like beanbuddymom and I were posting the same thought at the same time. Ha, see, I prefer it to be the exact opposite. Bills first, then coins.
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