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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 15, 2016 12:36:16 GMT
I've been seeing snippets of the video of the principal hitting a 5 year old with a paddle. This is legal? They just reported on the today show that half of the schools in Georgia used corporal punishment in the last year, over 11,000 times. How are the people of Georgia ok with this? What other states is this legal in?
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Post by Patter on Apr 15, 2016 12:42:49 GMT
I have not seen it but I understand there are 19 states that still allow corporal punishment. Here is a map of TX. The areas in read are districts that allow coporal punishment.
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Post by Patter on Apr 15, 2016 12:53:42 GMT
And here are the states that still allow it:
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Post by momx1 on Apr 15, 2016 12:53:50 GMT
It's legal in Alabama, but I remember a college professor 30 years ago saying it may be legal but you are likely to be sued should you practice it!
There has been times it has crossed my mind and I've wanted to use corporal punishment, but there is NO WAY I ever would!
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Post by Linda on Apr 15, 2016 13:00:33 GMT
It's legal in Florida as well - every year when we go to Meet the Teacher night at the elementary school, one of the forms we sign is whether or not we permit our child to be punished with corporal punishment if needed. We always select NO.
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Post by maurchclt on Apr 15, 2016 13:04:56 GMT
AWFUL, WRONG, NEVER, NO WAY!!!!!
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 15, 2016 13:06:06 GMT
Ours doesn't. An online newspaper article reports a surprisingly large number of area districts, and private religious (various faiths) schools do.
I'm surprised, I would expect public schools to be afraid of litigation even if they weren't worried about other issues.
I'm old enroute to remember boys being threatened with a trip to principal's office, and maybe a paddling, in elementary. But I only remember them getting lectured.
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Post by schizo319 on Apr 15, 2016 13:09:32 GMT
It's legal in my state, but parents have the right to "opt out" at the beginning of each school year - at least that was the case when I was in school 20+ years ago (nearly no parents did opt out back then, but I'm sure it's more common now).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 13:12:50 GMT
I just... don't get the south.
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Post by swimchick1984 on Apr 15, 2016 13:18:13 GMT
We are stationed in Georgia right now, I have a rising kindergartener. The school that she is assigned to allows corporal punishment, yes I signed a waver that said NO. However, I am very uncomfortable sending her to this school so we are paying for her to go to private school.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 15, 2016 13:21:03 GMT
It was very common when I was in elementary school in the 70s and 80s. No one's parents ever opted out. It was rarely used, however - just the threat was enough to keep most kids in line. At some point, it was made illegal in my state, probably around the time parents decided to stop disciplining their kids and teaching them respect for authority. I'm not saying that I approve of corporal punishment in schools, however, as parents we need to do a much better job of teaching our kids respect and responsibility.
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Post by Karen-in-Indiana on Apr 15, 2016 13:21:48 GMT
I'm sorry but I must comment and go ahead and flame away at me. I agree with it! When I was a kid, we knew if we did something to deserve "swats" that we would get it. That thought really made us behave! The kids today don't have that consequence to keep them in line. That's why we have so many issues with kids misbehaving! You couldn't pay me to be a teacher today with the way kids behave and disrespect them.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 15, 2016 13:26:23 GMT
Yeah... hitting a kid to make them behave is a great punishment. BULLSHIT. All hitting a kid does is teach them that violence is okay if you want to get your way. Yup, bullying and abuse is an awesome way to make kids behave. How's that working? Not well. Why? The cycle of bullying and no respect continues. If you have to hit, you're doing something wrong.
Honestly, I'm at the point in my life where I'm cutting out people who think that abuse is okay. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the threat of corporal punishment by a school would have the opposite effect than what they would want... there's no way I would have respected anyone who thought hitting me would make me behave.
That it's 2016 and there are still people out there who think that corporal punishment is okay and that kids are little shits today because they aren't hit by their parents and teachers is mind-boggling. There are better, more effective consequences than hitting a kid. If you can't get that... well, there's just no hope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 13:31:40 GMT
Hey, kids, we don't allow bullying here. Unless we think that we, the adults, need to hit you to get you to comply. Then it's ok, but it's not really bullying because it's adults doing it to children, so it's somehow different. But don't ever think of hitting someone yourself because that's wrong! And it will just get you hit by us. Sure. Makes sense. Sounds logical.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 15, 2016 13:33:00 GMT
Hey, kids, we don't allow bullying here. Unless we think that we, the adults, need to hit you to get you to comply. Then it's ok, but it's not really bullying because it's adults doing it to children, so it's somehow different. But don't ever think of hitting someone yourself because that's wrong! And it will just get you hit by us. Sure. Makes sense. Sounds logical. Exactly. It's okay when adults hit kids but not okay when kids hit kids... great fing logic there.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 15, 2016 13:34:59 GMT
I agree that it is ridiculous that it is legal in 2016. I also agree that there are quite a few issues with the child and family that we are just hearing a tiny bit about. That, to me, is irrelevant in whether or not this child should have been beaten. For one thing, if he is truant, this type of treatment is going to do nothing to help him enjoy and want to go to school. Another thing is that, according to the mother, she was coerced into agreeing with it.
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Post by DEX on Apr 15, 2016 13:42:15 GMT
My thoughts go to how humiliating it would be for the child. My heart breaks for the child.
I was hit frequently as a child by my Mom. No amount of slapping, hitting, hair pulling EVER got me to behave. I just don't think that corporal punishment works. Been there, done that. Wouldn't want to visit that on my child.
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Post by Merge on Apr 15, 2016 13:44:46 GMT
I don't support it, and it's not used in my district ... but I have to tell you, there are a lot of kids in my school who aren't deterred by anything we can do to them. Detention? Don't show up. In school suspension? Free break from class. Out of school suspension? Vacation! Alternative school is reserved for very specific behaviors so that's not on the table for the kid who just disrupts your class on a daily basis.
We have positive behavior supports in place and those are always the first thing we do, after, of course, making sure lessons are engaging and appropriate. But for the 7th and 8th graders who spend their time in my class talking, not participating, walking around the room and yelling across the room at each other, and aren't deterred by anything we can do to them ... I'll take the flames and say I wouldn't be upset at all if someone took a paddle to them.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Apr 15, 2016 13:52:22 GMT
I remember that it was allowed in my elementary in the 70s. My mom always opted out, but not because she didn't want me paddled. She always said, "If my kid misbehaves, call me. I will deal with it." We always new what that meant and I really, really would have preferred being paddled at school. LOL Aside: My mother was not abusive. But we got swatted AND lectured AND grounded AND assigned extra chores. I would have taken a 2 second swat at school over all that! I don't know that I agree with corporal punishment, but I know that [like Merge mentioned] some kids don't respond to punishment of any kind and I blame the parents. So if the kid won't behave and the parent won't support the school in whatever punishment is deemed appropriate, then what?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 15, 2016 13:56:35 GMT
I just... don't get the south. Me either and I have lived here for 5 years.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 15, 2016 13:58:37 GMT
Hey, kids, we don't allow bullying here. Unless we think that we, the adults, need to hit you to get you to comply. Then it's ok, but it's not really bullying because it's adults doing it to children, so it's somehow different. But don't ever think of hitting someone yourself because that's wrong! And it will just get you hit by us. Sure. Makes sense. Sounds logical. My daughter's school would not consider using a paddle.. but they will harangue and harass, and brow beat you until you (the student) say what they want to hear!! And you wonder why they have a bullying problem!! One more year.. one more year and we are done.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 15, 2016 14:07:17 GMT
Aside from the talk of paddling being allowed--WTH with the mother sitting there filming while her child is begging and crying?
I find a problem with her--seems she is just intent on getting a viral video instead of getting involved as a parent.
Several different issues in this story for me.
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Post by garcia5050 on Apr 15, 2016 14:12:01 GMT
Where I grew up, the choice was: get the paddle OR we call your parents. Everyone chose the paddle, because home punishment was worse. I never heard of a girl get the paddle, until the post above!
I wish it was still around in my area, and I wouldn't opt out.
My DH says he was paddled every single year of elementary and middle school, so no, it isn't always a deterrent.
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Post by krazykatlady on Apr 15, 2016 14:18:57 GMT
I've lived in Georgia all my life and had no clue it was still practiced here. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those instances happened outside metro Atlanta where I live. Also, I homeschooled so that probably plays into why I didn't know it was going on.
I don't agree with it but there is definitely something going on with this family. The boy has missed 17 days of school this year and she was jailed for his truancy. There's also video of him flipping off the camera. Instead of paddling him they need to get her some help learning how to parent.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Apr 15, 2016 14:19:24 GMT
this is pretty upsetting to read.
Violence inflicted on children only causes them to act violently later on (or immediately)
hitting a child to 'punish' them for hitting another child? hmmmmm. it does NOT work.
there are many ways to modify behavior and teach children to behave well.
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Post by Linda on Apr 15, 2016 14:19:55 GMT
as I posted earlier, it's legal in my state and in my school district but we opt out. I remember being caned at school as a child (living overseas - and we moved to the States when I was almost 10 so I was younger than that). I don't remember it having a positive impact on my behaviour - I merely thought that the headmaster was mean and unfair but it also gave me bragging rights amongst my peers, it was almost a badge of honour to have been caned. Probably not what the punishment was intended to do.
My oldest went to elementary school in districts that don't use corporal punishment - it would NOT have had the desired effect on him - he wasn't a kid who grasped cause and effect so he wouldn't have made the connection between his behaviour and the paddling. On the other hand, none of the punishments he DID receive at school (which included suspension as a 2nd grader) had the desired effect either. We ended up homeschooling 4-6th grade.
My middle child went to 3rd-5th grade at the elementary school my youngest is currently at. They use a coloured card system for behaviour and blue is the 'good behaviour' colour. Her card never moved off blue in THREE years at that school. My youngest is in 3rd grade and has also never been off blue in almost FOUR years. They are rules followers. Corporal punishment or not (they know we sign NO for it) they're not going to get in trouble at school. My youngest, however, was very worried as a K/1st grader that some of her classmates might get paddled if they didn't shape up - I'm not sure that's the intent of corporal punishment either.
I don't agree with it - my view is that if my child is behaving THAT badly then I'll deal with them at home. I don't think schools should have that right - especially since it seems to be limited to K-5th in my experience. On the other hand, there are certainly some PARENTS who might benefit from a good paddling....
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Post by scrapsuzy on Apr 15, 2016 14:26:04 GMT
I knew it was still legal here (in GA) but I didn't know any school system actually still did it, due to liability issues.
I think there are more problems going on in the situation than the CP. Foremost in my mind... what parent would stand there and allow and video their child being abused? Sorry, but there is NO coercion in the world that would force me to allow someone to do something I considered abusive to my child.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 15, 2016 14:28:40 GMT
I'm in Texas. It's till legal here. I have a huge problem with it. It was a small factor in my decision to homeschool.
My grandpa was a junior high and high school principal in the 80s and 90s. He still has the belt that hung in his office that he paddled kids with hanging in his garage.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 15, 2016 14:30:30 GMT
Aside from the talk of paddling being allowed--WTH with the mother sitting there filming while her child is begging and crying? I find a problem with her--seems she is just intent on getting a viral video instead of getting involved as a parent. Several different issues in this story for me. According to her, the mother, the principal told her she could either allow the paddling or her child would be expelled which would make him truant which means she would go back to jail. Apparently she had already been arrested and in jail for truancy this school year.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 15, 2016 14:35:45 GMT
It's legal in Florida as well - every year when we go to Meet the Teacher night at the elementary school, one of the forms we sign is whether or not we permit our child to be punished with corporal punishment if needed. We always select NO. It's legal only in about half the counties-not all of them. Surprisingly not mine, but around me they do. I remember it was around when I was a kid. My third grade teacher had a leather strop-two actually. A larger one that hung in the classroom she called Big John and a smaller one she carried when we left the classroom she called Little John. I have to admit I don't remember ever seeing her use either one though. On the other hand, I did get swatted one time in kindergarten because I showed a little boy my underwear. It was the exact kind of swat I would have gotten from my mom/dad/grandparents/etc.
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