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Post by sunnyd on Apr 25, 2016 15:09:33 GMT
I've never had a vehicle with leather seats but I'm currently in the market. I've probably looked at 25 used Lexuses with around 20,000 miles & they ALL have a worn driver's side seat. The leather is SO soft that it doesn't seem like it wears well. The driver's side seats on every used Lexus are already wrinkled, not cracked but they look worn. It's mostly in the area by the door, where you drag your butt across the seat to get in & out.
Plus the tiny pin holes all over the seat (for the heated seats I guess) look high maintenance. I always thought leather seats would be easier to clean but the holes seem like cleaning the seats would be a nightmare, any tiny crumb or dust would get in the holes.
My car is 13 years old, has 180k miles & the cloth seats still look new. To me a car with 20,000 miles is still new enough that it shouldn't look worn.
Does the leather on your driver's side seat look wrinkled or worn or is this a Lexus problem? Do your heated leather seats have the tiny holes all over the seat? Are they easy to clean?
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Post by Kerri W on Apr 25, 2016 15:12:24 GMT
I would go with this is a Lexus issue.
I drive a Chevy Tahoe, DH has a Volvo and our Dodge Durango prior to this all with leather seats. We have not had visible signs of wear on any of them. The Volvo and Tahoe both have 180K miles on them and the seats are in perfect condition. The Durango was wrecked around 150K miles but looked fine at that time. None of them have the type of leather with tiny holes.
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Post by peano on Apr 25, 2016 15:13:24 GMT
I have a 2008 Honda with heated leather seats. The rear seats are covered with a neoprene cover and beach towel because my dog gets wet and muddy on our walks, so I assume they're in good shape. The front seats don't have covers and they are not showing any wear. The only wear I see is on the armrest.
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Post by AN on Apr 25, 2016 15:13:50 GMT
I have a 2004 Lexus with 160K miles and heated seats. The seats look good (to me). No cracking or wrinkling. The only thing I notice is that in the area you're mentioning, the seat can develop a light blue hue -- from dark denim jeans that I guess haven't been washed enough times yet.
I've had no problems with my seats at all. I think the holes are for the cooling function rather than the heating (since you're looking at newer ones, I think that is mostly standard -- but not sure). Mine don't have holes in them, but I've driven several with them.
Leather is SO easy to maintain compared to cloth. I'll never go back!
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Post by Zee on Apr 25, 2016 15:13:54 GMT
I don't have a Lexus but the heated leather seats on my 10 year old Chrysler 300 look great, so maybe it's more of a Lexus problem with the type of leather they use?
DH's 4 year old Jeep seats looked great too, until the car got totaled.
My mom's Volvo seats look fine and that car is 20 years old, but she's a very small thin meticulously neat person who wouldn't be too hard on any car.
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Post by AN on Apr 25, 2016 15:24:28 GMT
Okay, I went out to my car to look because I couldn't picture what you're talking about. Well guess what... I think my leather does have the "cracking" you're talking about! Haha. I just never notice, because the leather is in fine condition but this is just normal wear lines. There's no risk of the leather peeling or cracking "through" to the padding, etc. A picture is below. Honestly, it is in great condition and not actually cracked. I suppose if this is going to really visually bother you, leather seats might not be for you. I do think this is a leather issue and how leather wears, not a Lexus issue. The leather is really nice and has held up great in my opinion. I LOVE my Lexus and would get another one in a heartbeat. We also have a 2010 Acura TL, that is great too. It's not home right now or I'd go look at the seats on it, but I'd bet the leather is similar. The only thing is that with a car, you're sitting down into the car, where with an SUV, you're sliding into the car. That could be causing some of the wear lines you're seeing. This is my driver's seat on my 2004 RX330 with 160K miles. I'm not gentle with my car, don't condition the leather, etc. I'm a big person. I've left the image very large so you can see detail and hopefully see that it a "normal" wrinkle instead of actually a deep crack.
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Post by brina on Apr 25, 2016 15:27:19 GMT
recently traded in my 9-year-old car with heated leather seats. I think they looked fine upon trade in. My new car has heated leather seats as well, and an even nicer perk, heated steering wheel.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 25, 2016 15:35:08 GMT
I have black leather heated seats on my 3 YO car. Other than wipe them down when I clean my car, I've done no other maintenance. They look great to me. I think it may help that my car is garaged when it's parked, and I don't live where there is hot sun beating down on them for months on end.
I was not looking for heated seats when I was shopping, but when buying used you get what you get sometimes. I have to say that I really like them...a lot!
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Post by smartypants71 on Apr 25, 2016 15:37:38 GMT
I have a Volvo with 30k miles on it, and my seats look like AN's on the drivers side. I just chalked it up to it being a convertible and it's like living on the sun here in Houston in the summer.
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Post by leannec on Apr 25, 2016 15:46:33 GMT
We have a truck and a car with heated leather seats and neither is showing cracks ... the truck, a 2012 Ford F150 is the oldest and it still looks great Both have black leather so I wonder if that makes a difference?
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Post by AmandaA on Apr 25, 2016 16:05:06 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they use a leather that is a softer, more delicate "fancy" leather than what our GM vehicles have and that it has shown wear more quickly maybe. Mine has discolored a bit from denim. My DH had to have his seat redone in his work truck (and I mean WORK truck on the farm) at about 150k miles. All of the getting in and out in jeans eventually tore the seat at the seams. It was actually an easy upholstery repair and only a couple hundred dollars to have done. I don't find them to be high maintenance at all. The only time I have ever noticed something getting stuck in the perforations (in over 15 years of experience) was when a friend rode in my car wearing a glittery dress for a formal event we were going to. Live and learn.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 25, 2016 16:12:37 GMT
There's quite a bit of variability with the leather - I think that's probably more the issue than having heated seats. Our Navigator's seats looked horrible in 3 years - I was debating replacing the seats, but we decided to just trade it in as the gas mileage on that beast was also horrible. Our current car's seats are about that old and look brand new. I don't like the look of perforated leather you don't need it for heating. My husband's car has that type of leather and I don't know that it's a maintenance nightmare, but he babies that car quite a bit and doesn't eat or drink in it which I'm sure helps.
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Post by Patter on Apr 25, 2016 16:19:23 GMT
We have had at least 5 cars with leather heated seats. They were not hard to maintain at all, and I believe my Volvo and our BMWs had slight wrinkles. We sold those cars and our cars are too new now to see if it will happen with them. Anyway, I don't think it has anything to do with manufacturer, heated seats, etc. I think all leather wrinkles a bit when you sit on it over time. The same happens to our leather couches. Just a thought.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 25, 2016 16:21:38 GMT
I haven't noticed that on either the seats in our 2007 Toyota 4Runner or the 2013 Jetta. But only the Jetta has heated leather, the 4Runner is not heated. But the leather in both is still in really good condition.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 25, 2016 16:26:58 GMT
I have the same kind of wrinkling (although a bit deeper) in my same color heated leather seats in a 16 year old Suburban. I am not particularly hard on the car, but I live in a climate that is hard on interiors because of the direct sun and heat. The heater still works great though, I use it all the time in the cooler times (below 50 and that thing is on high) and I use it when my back is hurting.
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Post by belgravia on Apr 25, 2016 16:41:55 GMT
I have a Range Rover with tan leather interior. Heated seats, no pin holes. My drivers seat has discoloured a bit from my dark denim. Its starting to bug me so I will probably have it fixed. I could not be without my heated seats!!
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Apr 25, 2016 18:04:43 GMT
I am in my first car with heated seats and I LOVE them (even though I live in FLA -- I am a wimp for cold weather!) I have only had this car about 7 months and I don't notice any wrinkling (yet).
Mine is the style with pinholes because it also has A/C vented in the seats. I don't really like the cold air blowing through my seat -- makes it have a clammy, damp sensation. Anyone else notice this?
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Post by STBC on Apr 25, 2016 19:08:22 GMT
I have owned several vehicles with heated leather seats. None have had "pinholes" for the heat, so I can't comment on that. I've had grey, tan, and black seats. The tan showed a little more of the dirt after a few years than the darker colors do (I owned it for seven years) but was easy to clean. I prefer leather seats because they are easy to wipe clean.
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Post by paigewh on Apr 25, 2016 19:11:25 GMT
I have a two year old BMW with heated leather seats. They're regular leather (no tiny dots) and have minimal wear. The last three cars we've owned (Land Rover, SAAB, Volvo) had heated leather seats and didn't wear out any faster than normal. The dots would bug me ... How would you keep them clean? ETA- Tan leather and black leather on our cars
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Apr 25, 2016 19:27:55 GMT
I drive a 2015 Lexus w/heated & cooled seats. I've had it 16 months and have just over 10,000 miles. Mine look fine and the tiny pinholes are not a problem at all. FWIW, I do eat & drink in my car and no issues with the little holes. The leather is a top quality, soft leather that does develop character with wear, much like a good leather chair or sofa. As for the worn area near the driver's door, this seems to be common with SUVs. My old Expedition had it, most likely because I am short and when I get out of the car, I tend to do more of a slide out, rather than step down. The only thing I notice is that in the area you're mentioning, the seat can develop a light blue hue -- from dark denim jeans that I guess haven't been washed enough times yet. I have this issue as well. When I am having the car washed and detailed, I just point it out to them and they are able to clean it off.
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Post by Sparki on Apr 25, 2016 20:33:05 GMT
I have a 1994 Lexus, 120,000 miles...no heated seats, but my leather looks creased and worn. It doesn't bother me, though. It doesn't look bad, just creased.
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 25, 2016 21:21:43 GMT
Long time leather seat, heated seat car(s) owner. I haven't noticed any difference in wear between heated and plain leather seats.
I would hope auto manufacturers would take this detail into consideration. Compared to issues like gas mileage and crash protection it's pretty basic.
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Post by cmpeter on Apr 25, 2016 21:42:28 GMT
I have a 2010 Acura MDX and the seats look like AN's photo...just a bit more of a blue tint from my jeans. It's due for a detailing though, and that should come off.
No pinholes in my seats. Other than the blue tint, no maintenance. My last car had black leather seats, so I never noticed the blue tint.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 25, 2016 21:45:15 GMT
I don't think this is exclusively a Lexus problem. We've had 4 Lexuses and 1 Mercedes, all with leather seats and the same wrinkling over time. the wrinkling just comes from repetitive actions like sliding or shifting on the leather seats. it's also a natural fiber as opposed to synthetic cloth seats.
the tiny holes are not hard to maintain if you don't spill anything on them. we have never ripped or damaged those holes so there has never had to be any maintenance on them. I also think the wrinkling can be more prominent on super soft leather finishes. my Mercedes has a slightly tougher/glossier leather so the wrinkling is not a pronounced as the wrinkling on our Lexus leather seats.
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