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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:07:37 GMT
Mollycoddle...no I do not. Everything that has led up to the Nevada Convention does not sit well with me. You can ignore all the evidence that there is something shady going on with the way the DNC has been handling the election up to now. Who do I think they are? I believe that they are Clinton supporters trying to incriminate Senator Sanders and his supporters. I believe that they are pretending to be Sanders' supporters so that everyone will think that he is corrupt because of how his supporters are behaving. They are doing a fine job of disparaging him, given how you currently feel.
Do I have proof? Of course not. Nor do you have proof that it is indeed, Sanders' supporters. It could go either way. However, having seen many other tactics from the DNC and the Clinton camp, I do feel it is more likely to be as I stated.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 18, 2016 22:14:20 GMT
Mollycoddle...no I do not. Everything that has led up to the Nevada Convention does not sit well with me. You can ignore all the evidence that there is something shady going on with the way the DNC has been handling the election up to now. Who do I think they are? I believe that they are Clinton supporters trying to incriminate Senator Sanders and his supporters. I believe that they are pretending to be Sanders' supporters so that everyone will think that he is corrupt because of how his supporters are behaving. They are doing a fine job of disparaging him, given how you currently feel. Do I have proof? Of course not. Nor do you have proof that it is indeed, Sanders' supporters. It could go either way. However, having seen many other tactics from the DNC and the Clinton camp, I do feel it is more likely to be as I stated. Yikes. Well, your beliefs are your own, but from all of the reports, there is a general consensus that they were Sanders supporters.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:27:24 GMT
Mollycoddle...no I do not. Everything that has led up to the Nevada Convention does not sit well with me. You can ignore all the evidence that there is something shady going on with the way the DNC has been handling the election up to now. Who do I think they are? I believe that they are Clinton supporters trying to incriminate Senator Sanders and his supporters. I believe that they are pretending to be Sanders' supporters so that everyone will think that he is corrupt because of how his supporters are behaving. They are doing a fine job of disparaging him, given how you currently feel. Do I have proof? Of course not. Nor do you have proof that it is indeed, Sanders' supporters. It could go either way. However, having seen many other tactics from the DNC and the Clinton camp, I do feel it is more likely to be as I stated. Yikes. Well, your beliefs are your own, but from all of the reports, there is a general consensus that they were Sanders supporters. Why so incredulous? You obviously have no problem believing them to be Sanders' supporters? Why is it so hard to believe it could be the scenario that I have stated?
One of Clinton's Super pac has admitted to paying people to troll Sanders' Facebook pages. I believe this is an extension of that. Not at all inconceivable.
I suppose you also believe that chairs were thrown despite not having any video of it. Simply because that is what mainstream media is currently spewing.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 18, 2016 22:31:20 GMT
Yikes. Well, your beliefs are your own, but from all of the reports, there is a general consensus that they were Sanders supporters. Why so incredulous? You obviously have no problem believing them to be Sanders' supporters? Why is it so hard to believe it could be the scenario that I have stated?
One of Clinton's Super pac has admitted to paying people to troll Sanders' Facebook pages. I believe this is an extension of that. Not at all inconceivable.
I suppose you also believe that chairs were thrown despite not having any video of it. Simply because that is what mainstream media is currently spewing.
You know, I don't think that I can explain it to you. You won't believe any of the media reports-and nearly all of them say the same thing. So it's pointless. Have you read some of the many articles written about it? I think that you will not be convinced no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:44:58 GMT
I have seen many "stories" about it. That is all they are, stories to lead you to believe that Sanders' supporters are violent, ignorant people. I have also read many stories that suggest it is the Hillary supporters who are violent, ignorant people. So...which do we believe?
Never mind, I know you will believe CNN and all those other media outlets who by the way, are in Hillary's pockets. Yeah, they aren't biased at all. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:46:22 GMT
Then quit making excuses for their behavior. On one hand you "condemn" their actions but in the next breath you make excuses for their actions. Like "that was a pretty expected response" or "their behavior is not unexpected". Twisting my words again I see. How can I twist your words when I'm quoting you. Did you not say what I put in quotes? If those words of your meant something else then may I say you were not very clear in your intended meaning. Like I said before I can only respond to what I read as I don't have a crystal ball. But nice try in your deflection. These guys didn't get what they wanted. So what, no one has ever said life is fair. They have 2 choices they can either act like they did at the caucus or they can step back take a deep breath and work to change what they don't like. You're right, they "didn't get what they wanted" but all they wanted was to experience a fair process. It is not unreasonable to expect a fair process. This simply did not occur in Nevada. The jury is still out if a fair process was denied the Sanders supporters. You have a he said she said situation. But what was not in question was the behavior of the Sanders supporters and it was unacceptable. If one is felt they were denied a "fair process" then one has to work for change and one does not threaten another person's life. One of the biggest questions about the Sanders supporters is if they are in it for the long slog that it will take to bring about the changes Sanders is advocating. Based on the behavior Sanders supporters my guess would be no. What we are seeing from Sanders and his supporters is very little work to make changes but a whole lot of demanding the changes they want. Which is kind of ironic because the only reason Sanders suddenly became a Democrat was so he could use the party to push his agenda and now he is demanding changes and issuing threats. I can understand long term Democrats running for president wanting changes. I can even see two long term Democrats running for president going at it and each side demanding changes in the party. But not from Bernie I only became a Democrat to USE the Democratic Party Sanders. Bernie has pulled the party back to the left where it belongs. It's even clearly reflected in Hillary-I-change-my-views-depending-on-the-audience-I'm-speaking-to-Clinton's "messaging and very specific policies. The challenge is to persuade the skeptical that this will be a genuine focus in the White House and not just a passing political fancy." [Source: Politico - "How Bernie changed Hillary"]. Belongs? Really? I think it's for Democrats to decide where the party should be. Not a socialists and not independents. May I remind you the last time someone pushed this party too far to the left it tanked in the general elections and it has taken decades to get out of the hole. There is nothing wrong with Hillary being pushed a little more to the left. But the party and Hillary have to find the right balance for the general election and as history has taught us Bernie's path is not the right path for Democrats as its too extreme for mainstream America. And like it or not it's mainstream America that decides elections. You can see bumbling Trump heading in that direction. Certainly better then I wanted or expected. Mainstream America will not elected a socialist for president even if he is masquerading as a progressive democrat. If Sanders becomes the nominee Trump will make sure over and over again mainstream America knows Bernie is a socialist. And once again the party will tank.
Change is good but not when it's done by demands and threats. I don't think you'll get anyone to disagree with that.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 18, 2016 22:51:20 GMT
I have seen many "stories" about it. That is all they are, stories to lead you to believe that Sanders' supporters are violent, ignorant people. I have also read many stories that suggest it is the Hillary supporters who are violent, ignorant people. So...which do we believe? Never mind, I know you will believe CNN and all those other media outlets who by the way, are in Hillary's pockets. Yeah, they aren't biased at all. Keep drinking the kool-aid. Me, drinking koolaid? Now that's funny. Nice chatting with you.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 18, 2016 22:55:00 GMT
Why so incredulous? You obviously have no problem believing them to be Sanders' supporters? Why is it so hard to believe it could be the scenario that I have stated?
One of Clinton's Super pac has admitted to paying people to troll Sanders' Facebook pages. I believe this is an extension of that. Not at all inconceivable.
I suppose you also believe that chairs were thrown despite not having any video of it. Simply because that is what mainstream media is currently spewing.
You know, I don't think that I can explain it to you. You won't believe any of the media reports-and nearly all of them say the same thing. So it's pointless. Have you read some of the many articles written about it? I think that you will not be convinced no matter what. I get what you're saying, Jigglpuff. I don't think it is outside of the realm of possibility, especially since we've heard of this kind of thing happening before. It's more commonly known as "false-flag behavior". Example: And let's be honest people, the "chair throwing" incident was a non-event that the media totally hyped up - we have the incident on video, and yes, he was upset enough to pick up the chair but the Sanders people around him kept him in check so no chair was thrown. That said, I'm not sure this happened in Nevada. sarah*H cited a Gawker article where a reporter traced some of those calls and actually interviewed them - they did turn out to be Bernie Supporters. I think what we saw in Nevada was a total boil over of something that has been simmering for months. Even so, I think a lot of them overreacted though I understand why they did (adding that I don't approve of calls for violence or death threats, 'cause apparently I have to include that now).
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 0:49:59 GMT
So Bernie just held a rally in the open space in the office building across the street from my old office in SF. One of my ex co-workers went to the rally and got to shake hands with Bernie. She then told his wife that she wouldn't be washing her hands any time soon. My takeaway was man Bernie has some good looking Secret Service guys guarding him.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 9:58:20 GMT
I have seen many "stories" about it. That is all they are, stories to lead you to believe that Sanders' supporters are violent, ignorant people. I have also read many stories that suggest it is the Hillary supporters who are violent, ignorant people. So...which do we believe? Never mind, I know you will believe CNN and all those other media outlets who by the way, are in Hillary's pockets. Yeah, they aren't biased at all. Keep drinking the kool-aid. Me, drinking koolaid? Now that's funny. Nice chatting with you. You know? This is why Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary. Her supporters just love to be condescending to everyone who doesn't believe their candidate is the best. And that is why she will lose. She's behind Trump in the polls. She needs Bernie supporters to help her win the general. Yet she nor her supporters have not done anything except ridicule Bernie and his supporters. In the beginning, I would definitely have voted for her over any of the Republican candidates. Now, I will not. If I can't write in Bernie's name on the ballot, I'll vote for Trump. Thank you Molly Coddle, you've certainly done your part to ensure your candidate won't be president next year.
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Post by amom23 on May 19, 2016 11:59:00 GMT
Me, drinking koolaid? Now that's funny. Nice chatting with you. You know? This is why Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary. Her supporters just love to be condescending to everyone who doesn't believe their candidate is the best. And that is why she will lose. She's behind Trump in the polls. She needs Bernie supporters to help her win the general. Yet she nor her supporters have not done anything except ridicule Bernie and his supporters. In the beginning, I would definitely have voted for her over any of the Republican candidates. Now, I will not. If I can't write in Bernie's name on the ballot, I'll vote for Trump. Thank you Molly Coddle, you've certainly done your part to ensure your candidate won't be president next year. If you and your fellow Bernie supporters decide to vote for Donald if Bernie isn't the democratic nominee then you were never true democrats to begin with. This election is about issues and when you look at what each candidate "stands" for you'll see Bernie and Hillary have an awful lot more in common then they have different.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 19, 2016 12:09:33 GMT
And did that Redditor just say Elizabeth Warren is a front for international bankers? Yeah, I'm going to listen to what he has to say. Yup, noticed that claim. Also, who were the "armored servants?"
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2016 12:10:02 GMT
Absolutely shocking what Hillary Clinton and her supporters will stoop to in order to win this election. Every day that passes they do something else and this time they've left witnesses and done it right there with video evidence. My gosh, what will they do next? They are destroying the Democratic Party. I got my updated voter notification card in the mail yesterday and for the first time in my life I was ashamed to read beside Party it listed me as Democrat. KrazyScrapper-you can defend this all you want (and I know you will) but the evidence is there on video and in the words of the witnesses who were there. Obviously you have a right to your own opinion as we all do. But I'm done. This is it-the straw that broke the camel's back. There is absolutely no way in hell I'm voting for Hillary Clinton come November. I don't care what it costs in the long wrong. I cannot vote for someone as corrupt as this. I will cast my vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. Unless a miracle happens, Hillary is indicted and Bernie is the Democrat party runner. But that won't happen-she's probably paid the justice department to hold off on that until after the election. I'm afraid this is what happens when you have someone this corrupt (Hillary Clinton) running and she keeps getting worse and worse. A lot of the Bernie Sanders supporters are going to get more and more angry and instead of coming over to Hillary Clinton they are moving further away. This is how Trump will win this election. Hillary is an idiot. She should be behaving in the opposite way. You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. Debbie in MD. Unfuckingbelievable, given what facts came into light regarding the Bernie supporters. Goes to show that the blind WILL follow just about anything. Smh. Keep drinking the Bernie Kool-Aid.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2016 12:12:39 GMT
Absolutely shocking what Hillary Clinton and her supporters will stoop to in order to win this election. Every day that passes they do something else and this time they've left witnesses and done it right there with video evidence. My gosh, what will they do next? They are destroying the Democratic Party. I got my updated voter notification card in the mail yesterday and for the first time in my life I was ashamed to read beside Party it listed me as Democrat. KrazyScrapper-you can defend this all you want (and I know you will) but the evidence is there on video and in the words of the witnesses who were there. Obviously you have a right to your own opinion as we all do. But I'm done. This is it-the straw that broke the camel's back. There is absolutely no way in hell I'm voting for Hillary Clinton come November. I don't care what it costs in the long wrong. I cannot vote for someone as corrupt as this. I will cast my vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. Unless a miracle happens, Hillary is indicted and Bernie is the Democrat party runner. But that won't happen-she's probably paid the justice department to hold off on that until after the election. I'm afraid this is what happens when you have someone this corrupt (Hillary Clinton) running and she keeps getting worse and worse. A lot of the Bernie Sanders supporters are going to get more and more angry and instead of coming over to Hillary Clinton they are moving further away. This is how Trump will win this election. Hillary is an idiot. She should be behaving in the opposite way. You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar. Debbie in MD. I couldn't disagree with you more. You are so completely blinded by your hatred of Hillary that you couldn't see the truth if it smacked you in the face. And that is the pot calling the kettle black!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 19, 2016 12:13:42 GMT
I couldn't disagree with you more. You are so completely blinded by your hatred of Hillary that you couldn't see the truth if it smacked you in the face. Likewise my dear-you, and some others I could name are completely blinded by your support of Hillary that you couldn't see the truth if it was staring you in the face. Which it is by the way. Debbie in MD. That Bernie Kool aid must be good!
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Post by MizIndependent on May 19, 2016 14:09:39 GMT
And did that Redditor just say Elizabeth Warren is a front for international bankers? Yeah, I'm going to listen to what he has to say. Yup, noticed that claim. Also, who were the "armored servants?" Admittedly, I don't agree with that Redditor regarding Elizabeth Warren, I love her! It does throw some question on this account, however, this is not the only account of what went on in Nevada (I'm looking at you, Dan Rolle). The armored servants I believe are the police that the casino brought in.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 19, 2016 15:23:47 GMT
Me, drinking koolaid? Now that's funny. Nice chatting with you. You know? This is why Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary. Her supporters just love to be condescending to everyone who doesn't believe their candidate is the best. And that is why she will lose. She's behind Trump in the polls. She needs Bernie supporters to help her win the general. Yet she nor her supporters have not done anything except ridicule Bernie and his supporters. In the beginning, I would definitely have voted for her over any of the Republican candidates. Now, I will not. If I can't write in Bernie's name on the ballot, I'll vote for Trump. Thank you Molly Coddle, you've certainly done your part to ensure your candidate won't be president next year. Wait-YOU told ME to keep drinking the kool-aid and I'M being condescending? ? <shakes head>
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Post by MizIndependent on May 19, 2016 15:44:27 GMT
Molly, I think she's just really frustrated. I know I am. I swear this entire political cycle is like a preview for the next season of "House of Cards". ETA: "The Truth about Threats to Roberta Lange and the Nevada Convention" by Dan Rolle, a Democratic candidate for Congress in Nevada
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Post by swtpeasmom on May 19, 2016 15:56:21 GMT
Me, drinking koolaid? Now that's funny. Nice chatting with you. You know? This is why Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary. Her supporters just love to be condescending to everyone who doesn't believe their candidate is the best. And that is why she will lose. She's behind Trump in the polls. She needs Bernie supporters to help her win the general. Yet she nor her supporters have not done anything except ridicule Bernie and his supporters. In the beginning, I would definitely have voted for her over any of the Republican candidates. Now, I will not. If I can't write in Bernie's name on the ballot, I'll vote for Trump. Thank you Molly Coddle, you've certainly done your part to ensure your candidate won't be president next year. Ummmm....you are the one that told her she was drinking kool aid and now you claim she's the one that's condescending? Okaaaay......
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 16:22:58 GMT
They are doing a fine job of disparaging him, given how you currently feel. That is rather insulting you know. You are making a huge assumption that the only reason some of us think Bernie is a flake is because of dirty tricks "they" are doing against Bernie and his campaign. Whoever the hell "they"are I have no idea. Sorry to burst your bubble but how I feel about Bernie came from Bernie himself. And I'm going to make an assumption a lot of people feel the way they do because of what Bernie himself is saying. Bernie is an idealist with a callous streak. He is so focused on his vision that he dismisses the collateral damage. Examples from his own interviews. * During the New York Daily News Editorial Board interview most of the questions revolved around the plan to break up of the banks. A question Bernie was asked that had to with the fallout from the breaking up of the banks that could/would cause large layoffs and hurt the small investors. When asked what he do about this if it happened his response was that it wasn't his problem but the bank's problem as they were the ones breaking up the banks. Problem is the only reason the banks are breaking up is because of Bernie so yea Bernie it is your problem. * In another interview about his free college tuition he was asked what would happen in states that wouldn't buy into the free tuition. His answer "then the students would flock to the states that did have free tuition". Problem is Bernie the students that would be helped the most by free tuition couldn't afford the cost of housing in another state. Never mind the strain that it would be put on the colleges were these students would flock for the free tuition. Sanders is living in some alternate universe when he makes statements that he has "learned not to compromise with the Republicans" and if should become President and wants things done in Congress he will just "tell his supporters to call their representative". This from an interview with the SF Chronicle Editorial Board. Really how dumb is that? Sanders is a "user" and "opportunist". The only reason he registered as a Democrat was to "use" the Democratic Party for his presidential run. Then when things didn't go the way he thinks they should have he starts to whine the DNC isn't being "fair" to him and the party has to listen to him because he is the savior of the party. He wants the DNC to "let the people in". Ah Bernie anyone can join the Democratic Party but that is not what you mean by "letting the people in" is it. The opportunist" figured out early on that he did better in open primaries then closed primaries. So he started to whine people weren't allowed to vote so "let the people in". Now I will state the obvious here. The DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS are choosing their nominees for the Presidential Race. On both sides there are opened and closed primaries. Anyone can vote in the primaries as long as they meet the requirements to vote and the requirements for that primary. So nobody is keeping anyone from voting as long as you do your homework. And in some states it's pretty easy. Like register as a Democrat or Republican. Because , you know, the two parties are picking their nominee. And no Bernie you are not the savior of the Democratic Party. And that is why I'm no longer a fan of Bernie Sanders. It has nothing to do with the supposed "dirty tricks" played against his campaign. It's all him in his actions and what he says.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 19, 2016 16:59:39 GMT
They are doing a fine job of disparaging him, given how you currently feel. That is rather insulting you know. You are making a huge assumption that the only reason some of us think Bernie is a flake is because of dirty tricks "they" are doin against Bernie and his campaign. Whoever the hell "they"are I have no idea. Sorry to burst your bubble but how I feel about Bernie came from Bernie himself. And I'm going to make an assumption a lot of people feel the way they do because of what Bernie himself is saying. Bernie is an idealist with a callous streak. He is so focused on his vision that he dismisses the collateral damage. Examples from his own interviews. It's interesting to see how others view Bernie. I agree with you that he can come across as calloused and very focused - he's been this way for his entire political career (it's particularly entertaining when he's taking apart someone like Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke). * During the New York Daily News Editorial Board interview most of the questions revolved around the plan to break up of the banks. A question Bernie was asked that had to with the fallout from the breaking up of the banks that could/would cause large layoffs and hurt the small investors. When asked what he do about this if it happened his response was that it wasn't his problem but the bank's problem as they were the ones breaking up the banks. Problem is the only reason the banks are breaking up is because of Bernie so yea Bernie it is your problem. Seems to me that it is the banks problem because they caused the situation to begin with by allowing a culture of "too big to fail". I'd like to think they would take action and precaution to mitigate large layoffs and protect small investors. I'd be very interested to read the article you cite this information from. I'd like to better understand the pros and cons of this issue. * In another interview about his free college tuition he was asked what would happen in states that wouldn't buy into the free tuition. His answer "then the students would flock to the states that did have free tuition". Problem is Bernie the students that would be helped the most by free tuition couldn't afford the cost of housing in another state. Never mind the strain that would be put on the colleges were these students would flock for the free tuition Yes, I agree this is a problem.
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Post by Rainbow on May 19, 2016 17:27:25 GMT
Change is good but not when it's done by demands and threats. Really? Someone really ought to contact BO and tell him that after his latest stunt regarding school funding and the bathroom thing. It's a demand and a threat.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 19, 2016 17:58:10 GMT
I have seen many "stories" about it. That is all they are, stories to lead you to believe that Sanders' supporters are violent, ignorant people. I have also read many stories that suggest it is the Hillary supporters who are violent, ignorant people. So...which do we believe? Never mind, I know you will believe CNN and all those other media outlets who by the way, are in Hillary's pockets. Yeah, they aren't biased at all. Keep drinking the kool-aid. Of course CNN is biased. So is FOX,MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, the right wing blogs, the left wing blogs, the internet reporters and every other site out there. Even my little small town paper has an agenda. They all have an agenda. The argument that one drinks the kool-aid because they obviously are getting their news from agenda based outlet and aren't agreeing with you is ... ironic.
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Post by birukitty on May 19, 2016 19:49:28 GMT
You know? This is why Bernie supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary. Her supporters just love to be condescending to everyone who doesn't believe their candidate is the best. And that is why she will lose. She's behind Trump in the polls. She needs Bernie supporters to help her win the general. Yet she nor her supporters have not done anything except ridicule Bernie and his supporters. In the beginning, I would definitely have voted for her over any of the Republican candidates. Now, I will not. If I can't write in Bernie's name on the ballot, I'll vote for Trump. Thank you Molly Coddle, you've certainly done your part to ensure your candidate won't be president next year. If you and your fellow Bernie supporters decide to vote for Donald if Bernie isn't the democratic nominee then you were never true democrats to begin with. This election is about issues and when you look at what each candidate "stands" for you'll see Bernie and Hillary have an awful lot more in common then they have different. That's hilarious. While this election is about the issues Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have nothing in common. Hillary likes to pretend her stance on issues is close to the same as Bernie's because that is what will get her vote's from Bernie's supporters, but her record of her past voting and her campaign funding prove otherwise. I don't believe a word that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth and neither do a lot of people-that is why she is viewed as so untrustworthy, whereas Bernie Sanders is rated as honest. The candidate who has the most in common with Bernie Sanders is Jill Stein of the Green Party. I think what Jigglypuff is trying to say (and I might be wrong) is if you want Bernie supporters to come over to Hillary Clinton's side and vote for her it would be better to treat us with respect and dignity instead of the way we are being treated now, even right here on this message board. It's happening all over the place and I've always said you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, not that I'm comparing us to flies, so get that idea right out of your heads if you're planning to shoot right back with that one. I'm using an old saying to prove a point. I do know how important this vote is-I'm aware of all of the ramifications. It is not something I take lightly and I will not be casting a vote for Donald Trump in a fit of anger. Having Donald Trump as president would be a disaster of epic proportions but I don't trust Hillary Clinton and the longer this goes on (the election) and the more her campaign racks up evidence of cheating the more I find myself unable to vote for her either. I am planning to vote for Jill Stein or hopefully better yet Bernie Sanders if he someone manages to get on the ticket in November. I get one vote (as we all do) and I can use it as I see fit. I have to live with myself for how I use that vote. I don't take it lightly in the least. Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 20:07:50 GMT
I think both parties would do well to consider why there has been so much upheaval and disunity this go-around. Oh, you can throw out the old "Well, you were never really a Democrat (or Republican)" but that's just an insult designed to keep people in line with the status quo. It doesn't really address how dissatisfied people are with the parties themselves and why.
Republicans and Democrats have had a stranglehold on American politics since the Civil War, so maybe it's time for a shake-up. People deserve the right to vote for the candidate they feel is the better candidate without their integrity being called into question.
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Post by swtpeasmom on May 19, 2016 20:21:56 GMT
If you and your fellow Bernie supporters decide to vote for Donald if Bernie isn't the democratic nominee then you were never true democrats to begin with. This election is about issues and when you look at what each candidate "stands" for you'll see Bernie and Hillary have an awful lot more in common then they have different. That's hilarious. While this election is about the issues Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have nothing in common. Hillary likes to pretend her stance on issues is close to the same as Bernie's because that is what will get her vote's from Bernie's supporters, but her record of her past voting and her campaign funding prove otherwise. I don't believe a word that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth and neither do a lot of people-that is why she is viewed as so untrustworthy, whereas Bernie Sanders is rated as honest. The candidate who has the most in common with Bernie Sanders is Jill Stein of the Green Party. I think what Jigglypuff is trying to say (and I might be wrong) is if you want Bernie supporters to come over to Hillary Clinton's side and vote for her it would be better to treat us with respect and dignity instead of the way we are being treated now, even right here on this message board. It's happening all over the place and I've always said you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, not that I'm comparing us to flies, so get that idea right out of your heads if you're planning to shoot right back with that one. I'm using an old saying to prove a point. I do know how important this vote is-I'm aware of all of the ramifications. It is not something I take lightly and I will not be casting a vote for Donald Trump in a fit of anger. Having Donald Trump as president would be a disaster of epic proportions but I don't trust Hillary Clinton and the longer this goes on (the election) and the more her campaign racks up evidence of cheating the more I find myself unable to vote for her either. I am planning to vote for Jill Stein or hopefully better yet Bernie Sanders if he someone manages to get on the ticket in November. I get one vote (as we all do) and I can use it as I see fit. I have to live with myself for how I use that vote. I don't take it lightly in the least. Debbie in MD. You've got to be kidding me. As a Democrat, who will vote for whatever Democrat is on the ticket in November, I see way more Bernie supporters on this board than Hillary. And I see those Bernie supporters putting Hillary down much moreso than the other. I see Bernie all over my FB newsfeed. I see Bernie everywhere vs Hillary. I'm so tired of Bernie supporters claiming the media is biased against them. Stop the poor me bit, put your big girl panties on and in November vote against the Republicans taking over the Supreme Court and Trump bringing this entire country down.
PS. I am not strongly in favor of either Democrat currently on the ticket, so you can't call me biased.
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Post by birukitty on May 19, 2016 23:08:58 GMT
That's hilarious. While this election is about the issues Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have nothing in common. Hillary likes to pretend her stance on issues is close to the same as Bernie's because that is what will get her vote's from Bernie's supporters, but her record of her past voting and her campaign funding prove otherwise. I don't believe a word that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth and neither do a lot of people-that is why she is viewed as so untrustworthy, whereas Bernie Sanders is rated as honest. The candidate who has the most in common with Bernie Sanders is Jill Stein of the Green Party. I think what Jigglypuff is trying to say (and I might be wrong) is if you want Bernie supporters to come over to Hillary Clinton's side and vote for her it would be better to treat us with respect and dignity instead of the way we are being treated now, even right here on this message board. It's happening all over the place and I've always said you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, not that I'm comparing us to flies, so get that idea right out of your heads if you're planning to shoot right back with that one. I'm using an old saying to prove a point. I do know how important this vote is-I'm aware of all of the ramifications. It is not something I take lightly and I will not be casting a vote for Donald Trump in a fit of anger. Having Donald Trump as president would be a disaster of epic proportions but I don't trust Hillary Clinton and the longer this goes on (the election) and the more her campaign racks up evidence of cheating the more I find myself unable to vote for her either. I am planning to vote for Jill Stein or hopefully better yet Bernie Sanders if he someone manages to get on the ticket in November. I get one vote (as we all do) and I can use it as I see fit. I have to live with myself for how I use that vote. I don't take it lightly in the least. Debbie in MD. You've got to be kidding me. As a Democrat, who will vote for whatever Democrat is on the ticket in November, I see way more Bernie supporters on this board than Hillary. And I see those Bernie supporters putting Hillary down much moreso than the other. I see Bernie all over my FB newsfeed. I see Bernie everywhere vs Hillary. I'm so tired of Bernie supporters claiming the media is biased against them. Stop the poor me bit, put your big girl panties on and in November vote against the Republicans taking over the Supreme Court and Trump bringing this entire country down.
PS. I am not strongly in favor of either Democrat currently on the ticket, so you can't call me biased.
That's fine. You have your opinion and I have mine. But I have hated the "Vote blue no matter who" slogan since the second I heard it. What do they mean, "no matter who"? It darn well does matter greatly to me "no matter who"! I don't just vote blindly for a candidate just because he/she is blue. What the heck-what if he/she is the second coming of Hitler and they are saying "vote blue no matter who". Do you see what I am getting at? We as Bernie supporters are not claiming the media is biased against us. We are claiming the media is biased against Bernie Sanders. And they were and are. He's still on the ticket! There's been practically a media blackout as far as mentioning him as a candidate who is still in this race. All they mention is Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump and that's been going on for the 6 weeks or more. And don't tell me to "put your big girl panties on and in November vote against the Republicans taking over the Supreme Court and Trump bringing the entire country down." 1. It's my vote and I'll cast it towards anyone I damn well choose 2. I only own size Small panties, I don't have any big girl panties (that whole foods, plant based vegan diet really works ) Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 0:07:00 GMT
You've got to be kidding me. As a Democrat, who will vote for whatever Democrat is on the ticket in November, I see way more Bernie supporters on this board than Hillary. And I see those Bernie supporters putting Hillary down much moreso than the other. I see Bernie all over my FB newsfeed. I see Bernie everywhere vs Hillary. I'm so tired of Bernie supporters claiming the media is biased against them. Stop the poor me bit, put your big girl panties on and in November vote against the Republicans taking over the Supreme Court and Trump bringing this entire country down.
PS. I am not strongly in favor of either Democrat currently on the ticket, so you can't call me biased.
That's fine. You have your opinion and I have mine. But I have hated the "Vote blue no matter who" slogan since the second I heard it. What do they mean, "no matter who"? It darn well does matter greatly to me "no matter who"! I don't just vote blindly for a candidate just because he/she is blue. What the heck-what if he/she is the second coming of Hitler and they are saying "vote blue no matter who". Do you see what I am getting at? We as Bernie supporters are not claiming the media is biased against us. We are claiming the media is biased against Bernie Sanders. And they were and are. He's still on the ticket! There's been practically a media blackout as far as mentioning him as a candidate who is still in this race. All they mention is Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump and that's been going on for the 6 weeks or more. And don't tell me to "put your big girl panties on and in November vote against the Republicans taking over the Supreme Court and Trump bringing the entire country down." 1. It's my vote and I'll cast it towards anyone I damn well choose 2. I only own size Small panties, I don't have any big girl panties (that whole foods, plant based vegan diet really works ) Debbie in MD. Look what happened today in Oklahoma. The lawmakers have put a bill on the governor's desk that will make performing abortions a felony. If the bill is signed into law it will eventually end up in the Supreme Court as another attempt to overturn Roe v Wade. There are other laws that are making their way to the Supreme Court that if there is a conservative majority more then likely will be overturned much to the dismay of true Progressives. Progressives understand the importance of moving the Supreme Court to the left as the next President could place 3-4 justices on the court. Enough to stack the deck in our favor for decades to come. That is why, as much as it pains me, if Sanders is the Democratic nominee I will vote for him. I didn't always feel that way the more I came to realize Sanders is a fraud but other wiser peas have pointed out the error in my thinking. That was reinforced today by what happened in Oklahoma. In voting, like a lot of things, one has to look at the big picture when they make their choices. PS I think Sanders is a fraud based solely what I have read about his positions from his own website. Something you suggested I do when you felt I didn't understand Sanders. There was no media involved in making my determination that Sanders is a fraud. Just his own words from his own website. Unless you think his positions on his website were made up by Hillary as a dirty trick.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 20, 2016 12:04:33 GMT
If you and your fellow Bernie supporters decide to vote for Donald if Bernie isn't the democratic nominee then you were never true democrats to begin with. This election is about issues and when you look at what each candidate "stands" for you'll see Bernie and Hillary have an awful lot more in common then they have different. That's hilarious. While this election is about the issues Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have nothing in common. Hillary likes to pretend her stance on issues is close to the same as Bernie's because that is what will get her vote's from Bernie's supporters, but her record of her past voting and her campaign funding prove otherwise. I don't believe a word that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth and neither do a lot of people-that is why she is viewed as so untrustworthy, whereas Bernie Sanders is rated as honest. The candidate who has the most in common with Bernie Sanders is Jill Stein of the Green Party. I think what Jigglypuff is trying to say (and I might be wrong) is if you want Bernie supporters to come over to Hillary Clinton's side and vote for her it would be better to treat us with respect and dignity instead of the way we are being treated now, even right here on this message board. It's happening all over the place and I've always said you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar, not that I'm comparing us to flies, so get that idea right out of your heads if you're planning to shoot right back with that one. I'm using an old saying to prove a point. I do know how important this vote is-I'm aware of all of the ramifications. It is not something I take lightly and I will not be casting a vote for Donald Trump in a fit of anger. Having Donald Trump as president would be a disaster of epic proportions but I don't trust Hillary Clinton and the longer this goes on (the election) and the more her campaign racks up evidence of cheating the more I find myself unable to vote for her either. I am planning to vote for Jill Stein or hopefully better yet Bernie Sanders if he someone manages to get on the ticket in November. I get one vote (as we all do) and I can use it as I see fit. I have to live with myself for how I use that vote. I don't take it lightly in the least. Debbie in MD. Funny considering that pretty much all of your long winded speeches here are about how much you hate Hillary, why you would never vote for her (so why exactly should she kiss up and be nice to you?) and other blah blah blah propaganda you spout. I've yet to see, from you, the benefits of voting for Bernie. Why his ideas will work. But instead you do what a lot of BS supporters do, which is spread the kool aid that he started out doing in debates--his message of how he thinks HC is the devil incarnate. You sound exactly like he does, just spouting off the script. You spend the majority of your words bashing HC instead of what virtues BS might have. Same with a lot of BS.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 20, 2016 12:49:32 GMT
Change is good but not when it's done by demands and threats. Really? Someone really ought to contact BO and tell him that after his latest stunt regarding school funding and the bathroom thing. It's a demand and a threat."Bathroom thing" ? Coming from you,the person who refers to transgender children as "freaks"
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