peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on May 17, 2016 11:55:45 GMT
I posted a couple weeks ago that one of my oldest and closest friends passed away. On Saturday we went for the celebration of life (a party) in her honor. I saw so many old and dear friends. Her dh and I have been talking a lot about what she would have wanted, how to honor her, our feelings, you know, grieving. He had told me that the medical examiner needed a cause of death (obviously) and we assumed she had stopped breathing (had apnea). He told me at the party that it was deemed an overdose. I lost it. I was sandwiched between he and his cousin (who is an ex boyfriend of mine) and they held me while I cried. I felt like I got punched in the gut. She was bipolar and had tried to kill herself several times before but she was in a good place right now. She was going to be given shock treatments because she was drug resistant but she was hopeful that they would work. Her daughter graduated college a week after her death and another daughter had a big event coming up. I know in my heart that it was not intentional. Her dh told me yesterday that it was pain meds that she took. They were left over from something. She wasn't on them regularly. I asked him if he thought it was intentional and he really didn't believe so. I believe the same but right now I am still numb and cannot believe this really happened. I finally figured out last night that I am angry. There are no answers, there never will be. Only basic information was collected after she died, no autopsy.
When I have lost people before it was so much easier because I knew why they had died. I will never really know with my friend.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on May 17, 2016 11:58:36 GMT
I'm so sorry. ((Hugs))
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Post by annaintx on May 17, 2016 12:21:13 GMT
I am so sorry.
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Post by grove420 on May 17, 2016 12:21:53 GMT
I'm very sorry. I think I would choose to believe it was unintentional if no note was left.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 12:26:10 GMT
Without an autopsy I don't know how it can be deemed an overdose. With sleep apnea even a normal amount of sleep aid/pain killer can be enough to suppress breathing to a dangerous amount. Lacking an autopsy to say for sure, I'd let my mind take what is most comforting to me. She had an apnea event while sleeping. I am sorry you lost a friend.
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Post by gailoh on May 17, 2016 12:31:01 GMT
So sorry of your loss...hugs
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Post by BoilerUp! on May 17, 2016 12:45:12 GMT
I'm sorry! You are right, there will never be any answers and I hope that you are able to grieve and your anger passes. Big hugs!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 17, 2016 12:57:43 GMT
There are only so many reasons that can actually be written on a death certificate; so I wouldn't take the written/literal as harsh as it may be.
If she had sleep apnea, and took meds to remedy it, and died as a result, the death certificate would read overdose. Sleep apnea would not be listed as the reason.
It goes something like this:
1. Immediate Cause: (Mode of dying) 1a. Overdose
2. Underlying Cause: (Where the ME asks themselves "what was the immediate cause due to") AND/OR
2a. Underlying Conditions: 2a1. Sleep Apnea
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Post by mikklynn on May 17, 2016 12:59:21 GMT
I'm sorry, again, for your loss. I think anger is a normal emotion in this case. Whether it was accidental or intentional, you can be angry her life was cut short.
Hugs, dear Pea.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on May 17, 2016 13:03:46 GMT
Warm hugs to you, dear. I am so sorry for your pain.
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peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on May 17, 2016 13:04:20 GMT
There are only so many reasons that can actually be written on a death certificate; so I wouldn't take the written/literal as harsh as it may be. If she had sleep apnea, and took meds to remedy it, and died as a result, the death certificate would read overdose. Sleep apnea would not be listed as the reason. It goes something like this: Immediate Cause: Overdose Underlying Cause: OR Underlying Conditions: Sleep Apnea Thank you. That does help a bit. It seemed so harsh to me.
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RedSquirrelUK
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on May 17, 2016 13:07:37 GMT
I'm so sorry. Hugs.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 17, 2016 13:09:48 GMT
I'm glad my explanation helped. It's a very short, not detailed list of Immediate Cause (mode of dying) that can be written in that spot!
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on May 17, 2016 13:10:48 GMT
I'm sorry.
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valleyview
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Post by valleyview on May 17, 2016 13:14:41 GMT
I'm so sorry about the loss of your friend. The cause of death does not need to worry you. She is gone, and you grieve that loss no matter what. Hugs.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 17, 2016 13:14:56 GMT
(((hugs)))
I'm sorry you are in so much pain.
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Post by cyndijane on May 17, 2016 13:22:37 GMT
I'm so sorry for your loss, this is so much like what my sister felt when her best friend passed three years ago. Very similar circumstances, and she'll never get her answer either.
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Post by Outspoken on May 17, 2016 13:46:57 GMT
I'm sorry for your loss. I think you know your friend better than what is listed on a piece of paper. Grief has so many phases and I believe you will experience them all as you work through your pain. I hope that you are able to soon replace your grief with only beautiful memories of your friendship.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 17, 2016 14:14:00 GMT
That is so sad.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on May 17, 2016 14:38:09 GMT
It's also possible that she had some pain and took one of her pain pills. Then there was a reaction with another med she was taking or her liver decided that was the day to metabolize it differently, and/or she didn't realize how compromised her breathing was because of her sleep apnea and the pain pill was enough to compromise it too much.
I've been suicidal. I would leave a note asking forgiveness and letting my loved ones know that it wasn't their fault at all but I just couldn't deal with being sick any longer.
The toxicology is done on blood. The coroner might had just decided to draw blood because there was already enough of a medical reason to explain her death. The blood test would have shown the opiate in her blood.
I'm so sorry for your loss. A good friend of mine lost her husband unexpectedly a few years ago. He was 42 and just had a cold so he stayed home while his wife and young kids went to a Halloween event at a pumpkin patch and then out for a dinner and a movie. The wife texted him, and he was ok, and then they got home and he was unconscious. The cold went to his heart. He had Ulcerative Colitis, but there was no reason to think he had the flu or anything. It was just a freak thing. It was so difficult for everyone. The wife found a widower with three kids a couple years later, and they got married. The family is amazing. God works in mysterious ways.
I understand how this situation is really throwing you. I would want people to remember the good things about me, and forgive me if I did have a moment of weakness. It is completely possible that she didn't mean to overdose. It doesn't take a lot. I once overdosed by accident when my doctor told me to take another pain pill to keep from having to go to the ER. He forgot to tell me not to take my sleeping pill that night--he was at home and didn't have my chart in front of him. In my stupor, I got up and was baking a cake in the middle of the night. My dh found me and took me to the ER, where they put me on oxygen because my breathing was labored. The amount of pain medicine I took was nowhere near enough to purposefully overdose on and was still a therapeudic dose.
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Post by BeckyTech on May 17, 2016 18:36:04 GMT
I'm really sorry you are having to grapple with the cause of death on top of the shock of losing someone close to you so suddenly. Big hugs.
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Post by anniefb on May 17, 2016 19:48:17 GMT
So sorry for your loss. That's a really hard thing to deal with.
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melissa
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Post by melissa on May 17, 2016 22:08:00 GMT
It is easy to see that this could have been unintentional as she had a known history of apnea. Narcotics depress breathing to a degree. The combination of the two may have been a "perfect" storm that resulted in, as you originally assumed, her not breathing.
So sorry for your loss.
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Post by laureljean on May 17, 2016 22:20:10 GMT
((hugs))
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Post by disneypal on May 17, 2016 23:14:44 GMT
Perhaps too much medication mixed with the sleep apnea was the problem. I'm sure it was accidental. I'm so sorry - it is hard to lose someone you loved and cared for so much.
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Post by originalvanillabean on May 17, 2016 23:19:57 GMT
I'm so sorry.
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azredhead
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Post by azredhead on May 17, 2016 23:50:19 GMT
HUGS-- I repeat the medication and sleep apenea thing. And that they will list the cause/causes on her death certificate. When MIL passed the people that came to the house gave a lot of info and were very kind and helpful. (she died at home). We were worried she had done the opposite and NOT taken her meds. If she doesn't take them or doesn't wear her Apnea mask or a combo, then she is incoherant or very sluggish. and has seizures. with her eplipsy. She was being treated for some depression/anxiety. She had had a stroke before that so we don't know if she had another one of her seizure or or heart. There was so much history we opted not to do the autopsy.It could have even been that the cancer she had just had radition for was spreading or not gone and causing the seizures. She was scheduled for more dr's appts. the week she died. We did not do an autopsy. She had fallen and it wasn't a pretty scence. So they did their best to give us comfort in her medical history and that she was not suffering anymore. Dh was trying to have some comfort in that she possibly had a stroke and died quickly when she fell. That seems to be the source of answers for him. Knowing your friends history with medications maybe there could be some answer in that it was just a perfect storm and some comfort to know she's not suffering anymore. It's still hard and the shock takes a while. No matter what the answers are.
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Post by molove on May 18, 2016 0:44:04 GMT
It's all so devastating and emotional. You'll get through this and life will return to a calmer pattern. You will figure out a way to honor your dear friend and hold her close to your heart. Grieving is tough, it's supposed to be. Some people lead such tortured lives, and it's all just very hard. It sounds like your friend was struggling and no matter what the ultimate cause of her death was, she is gone and you are missing her. Tend to that. Be gentle with yourself. It's going to take a bit, but you will smile again.
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Post by lesserknownpea on May 18, 2016 9:15:13 GMT
I'm so sorry about this loss.
You knew her, if you don't believe it was intentional, you have every reason to take comfort from that.
My cousin died of an overdose. I take comfort in believing it WAS intentional. His life had been full of mental and emotional pain. Drug addiction, prison sentences, and the final straw was a car accident that left him in chronic excruciating pain.
In the weeks before his death, he set about mending the broken relationships with family members. Told us all he loved us. Apologized for the (considerable) heartache his actions had caused.
Then he took too many pain meds and never woke up. I believe he was happy at the end, because he had decided to end it. It comforts me.
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peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on May 18, 2016 11:40:42 GMT
I'm so sorry about this loss. You knew her, if you don't believe it was intentional, you have every reason to take comfort from that. My cousin died of an overdose. I take comfort in believing it WAS intentional. His life had been full of mental and emotional pain. Drug addiction, prison sentences, and the final straw was a car accident that left him in chronic excruciating pain. In the weeks before his death, he set about mending the broken relationships with family members. Told us all he loved us. Apologized for the (considerable) heartache his actions had caused. Then he took too many pain meds and never woke up. I believe he was happy at the end, because he had decided to end it. It comforts me. I am so sorry about your cousin. After I had been told about her passing, I didn't cry much. Part of me knew how much emotional and mental pain she had been in and I thought that even if it wasn't intentional, she could have some peace now. Those who really knew her understood that but I know many won't. She grew up with an abusive father and was mentally ill pretty much her entire life. I wish I could have done more for her. I was one of the only friends who stayed with her through everything. Eventually I had to put up some boundaries because it wasn't a healthy friendship for either of us. Those boundaries kept us close friends. I do have feelings of guilt but I know there was nothing I could do, especially if it wasn't intentional.
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