LeaP
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Post by LeaP on May 17, 2016 17:28:26 GMT
We are fostering to adopt. Tell me about kitty litter, cat food and cat grooming. Our little guy is a Russian blue that was rescued from the pound. He is definitely a house cat because was fixed and microchipped (phone line not working), not to mention he likes being scratched, brushed, pet, lying on the bed and so on. He must have gotten out and been wandering for a while because he eats a lot. So, which kitty litter should I use? The kids and I are enthralled by the blue crystal stuff, but we wonder if it works. Should we get a covered box or just a regular one? He has a matted tail. Is it worth washing or should we cut the matter fur off? Do cats need beds? He is a little shy, should we put his bed under another bed? What kind of food should he eat? What wet food do you recommend? Could I make it myself? Ground beef is cheaper than the canned cat food. Anything else I should know? ***Disclaimer: I know I'm a little over the top. It is the reason we have had but one pampered and preened rescue dog (who likes the cat a little too much) for the last five years. Must.overthink.everything *** SaveSave
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Post by BeckyTech on May 17, 2016 17:34:35 GMT
Ground beef is cheaper than the canned cat food. I'm not positive if this applies to cats as well as dogs, but they don't process fats like we do. Therefore, more than a bite or two of hamburger should be boiled and rinsed. It looks gross to us, but they love it. Definitely a covered box. I would cut the matted fur off, it would be less painful than trying to untangle it. Regular brushings should help to prevent (most) mats in the future. I haven't had cats in quite some time, so I will defer to others on your litter and food questions, but have fun with your little one!
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Post by scrapmaven on May 17, 2016 17:43:48 GMT
I feed my Russian Blue Chicken Soup for the Cat Lovers Soul or Premium Edge. I get both at a local pet store. As I type he is lying in my arms and purring. He's a fun, playful and sweet kitty. When he has energy he bounces off the walls. That's his breed. We have a regular litter box and we use a litter brand that the pet store only sells, so I can't recommend. I scoop daily and he's happy. I like clumping cat litter, because it makes it easier to scoop. Your cat will likely need some toys. This is a playful breed. Mine especially likes anything w/string attached so that we can play together. Though I find balls all over the house. Also, your kitty likes height. Anything you can do to let kitty be up higher is a good thing. I wish I had shelves for him to climb. Cats aren't much work at all. Feed and water them. Clean their box and snuggle a lot and they're happy furry people.
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Post by Zee on May 17, 2016 17:46:26 GMT
You can't make his food yourself from ground beef unless you buy nutrient additives formulated for cats, which you'd have to get online and even then I wouldn't recommend ground beef as a base. Your cat will be absolutely fine eating any wet food he tolerates, but don't feed him dry food exclusively. Cats are obligate carnivores, and adding carbs to their diet in the form of grains really isn't good for them long term. They also don't get enough moisture in their diets with just dry food, and can suffer from urinary and kidney problems eventually. This is newer thinking than when we were kids and were told to only feed dry food to help their teeth (it doesn't). Feed him cat food because it's formulated with the proper amounts of taurine, etc that cats require. I bet birukitty can post some excellent links for you about cat nutrition. In the end, it comes down to what your cat will eat. Mine are picky about expensive canned food but love Fancy Feast, so FF it is. I use a clumping, clay-based litter. I like Tidy Cats for multiple cats, but also use Fresh Step. It doesn't matter a whole lot as long as your cat likes it. Some cats like enclosed boxes and others don't. Try a enclosed box and if he's not a fan you can take the lid off. I have 3 cats and with all the scooping I do, it's just easier to leave the lid off. They don't need beds but mine like them. All 3 are curled up in their own beds as I'm typing this. My old man cat has a heated bed I bought him off Amazon. Try putting one in a quiet corner where he'll feel safer, or maybe under an end table or something like that. I'd cut the matted parts off, he'll look silly for a bit but it will be easier and less traumatic than trying to brush them out. You can't wash out truly matted fur. Then you can keep up the grooming as his fur grows back in and prevent any new mats from forming.
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Post by compwalla on May 17, 2016 17:53:41 GMT
You can't feed cats only ground beef. Although they are obligate carnivores, in the wild they would eat the organ meats and some of the small bones. These provide nutrients that are not available in only ground beef. A good commercial diet is going to be healthier. Look for one with real meat instead of by-products. Litter is tricky. It depends on the cat's preference sometimes. Our cats use crystal litter which I like because the crystals do not stick to the turds. This makes it possible for us to sift out and flush the poops. The drawback is more frequent changing of the litter because crystal litter does not get rid of the urine which is very concentrated, high in ammonia, and thus very strongly scented. Going too long between complete litter changes is offensive, odor-wise. Matted fur - the first time, you maybe could cut the mats out. Once the fur grows back, regular brushing will keep mats from forming. Beds - they will sleep where they like. You might buy a nice bed and the cat never lays in it. Many cats are just as happy with a cardboard box as they are with a fancy bed. Some cats don't like any bed and will sleep with you in your bed. Some cats just curl up on the sofa. No way to know ahead of time. Mostly, relax. Cats are much more low maintenance than dogs. Give your kitty time and he should get less shy. And congrats on your new family member.
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on May 17, 2016 18:00:16 GMT
IMO Making your own cat food is a pretty complicated endeavor unless you have the right equipment. Specifically something that will grind up bones. You definitely don't want to buy ground beef off the shelf. Pre-ground meat has the surface bacteria already ground into it, and the butchers that prepared the ground meat expect that the consumer will be cooking it, so, their equipment and/or handling procedures may not be as sanitary in its preparation.
I got my cat from a co-worker who was fostering him. She had a butcher that made food specifically for cats. It was $$$$, but she had 4 cats in the house, and you couldn't smell the litterbox at all! Unfortunately this butcher is on the other side of town - otherwise, I'd go with a raw diet.
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Post by whopea on May 17, 2016 18:06:47 GMT
You can't make his food yourself from ground beef unless you buy nutrient additives formulated for cats, which you'd have to get online and even then I wouldn't recommend ground beef as a base. Your cat will be absolutely fine eating any wet food he tolerates, but don't feed him dry food exclusively. Cats are obligate carnivores, and adding carbs to their diet in the form of grains really isn't good for them long term. They also don't get enough moisture in their diets with just dry food, and can suffer from urinary and kidney problems eventually. This is newer thinking than when we were kids and were told to only feed dry food to help their teeth (it doesn't). Feed him cat food because it's formulated with the proper amounts of taurine, etc that cats require. I bet birukitty can post some excellent links for you about cat nutrition. In the end, it comes down to what your cat will eat. Mine are picky about expensive canned food but love Fancy Feast, so FF it is. I use a clumping, clay-based litter. I like Tidy Cats for multiple cats, but also use Fresh Step. It doesn't matter a whole lot as long as your cat likes it. Some cats like enclosed boxes and others don't. Try a enclosed box and if he's not a fan you can take the lid off. I have 3 cats and with all the scooping I do, it's just easier to leave the lid off. They don't need beds but mine like them. All 3 are curled up in their own beds as I'm typing this. My old man cat has a heated bed I bought him off Amazon. Try putting one in a quiet corner where he'll feel safer, or maybe under an end table or something like that. I'd cut the matted parts off, he'll look silly for a bit but it will be easier and less traumatic than trying to brush them out. You can't wash out truly matted fur. Then you can keep up the grooming as his fur grows back in and prevent any new mats from forming. I didn't know this about food. Our cat eats only hard food because wet food upset his stomach a lot. When he was eating it, he loved Fancy Feast. I use a clumping litter too. Our guy prefers Arm & Hammer clumping but not the light weight stuff. He won't cover his stuff with it and scatters it everywhere. If your new cat is of any size, I would try a covered box or else you might have litter everywhere. Put the box on a hard floor surface, not carpeted. Instead of a bed, I would get a large cardboard box and put a towel in the bottom of it and put the box in a corner or under a table. Cats love to feel like they're hiding. I would try and comb the matted fur out first if you can. Our vet said they see lots of kitties that move or startle when scissors are around and they end up fixing a much bigger problem. Good luck with your adoptee!
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Post by birukitty on May 17, 2016 18:23:39 GMT
Congratulations on your new kitty! Cats are so much easier than dogs and you are going to love having a cat. They are equally as affectionate and in my mind just as if not more intelligent (but then I am biased-I am a true cat person). To me cats are elegant, graceful creatures that deserve respect at all times. I talk to my cat as though he understands every word I say and surprisingly it seems as though he does. Food-I believe the better quality food we feed our cats the less health problems (and vet visits) they will have. It's the same with people. Feed a person a diet of entirely junk food and you'll end up with a lot of health problems. Feed a person a diet rich in whole natural health foods including lots of vegetables and fruits (for people only) and you'll see the doctor a lot less and have less health problems. Cats are 100% carnivorous but they need certain things in their diet (taurine) being one of them that means you can't just give them some hamburger every day and that's it. You need to make sure they are getting a 100% balanced daily diet to fill their nutritional needs. I feel my cat the best, most healthy diet I can which is what is called "a raw diet". Instead of a commercially prepared food I buy off of a shelf I buy the meat from the grocery store and mix it with a product I order online that provides all of the extra nutrients my cat needs for a balanced diet. It's a powder supplement. I get it from this website www.felineinstincts.com It's called My Natural Cat and a trail size makes 4-5 pounds of food once you add 2 pounds of meat (I use ground turkey I buy from the store) plus some salmon oil you can get from this site and water. The trail size of powder is $14.50. The small size of salmon oil is 8.8 oz is $16.20 but lasts a very long time. I make up a batch and then put the food into pint sized glass mason jars and stick them in the freezer. One jar can sit in the refrigerator for 3 days. This is what I do-I started my previous cat Biru on this diet when he came down with kidney disease at the age of 14. It literally saved his life and reversed his kidney disease. You obviously don't have to do this, but it is an option. Meat is better if it is not cooked for cats. Think about it-before we came along cats caught mice to survive and did they cook them before they ate them over a little campfire? Of course not. They ate them raw. Their systems are designed to handle raw meat and there is more nutrition in the raw meat for them. If you aren't going to go this route than canned food is your next best option. Z*G is absolutely right. A diet of dry cat food is not healthy for cats. It causes kidney disease because cats are designed by nature to get some of their daily fluid needs from their food. They simply can't drink enough to fulfill them. Over time if they are fed only dry food day by day it eventually catches up and they develop urinary problems and eventually kidney disease. But how to choose the healthiest cat food over the hugely vast amount of choices out there? This is a great website-www.dogfoodadvisor.com Yes, it's for dogs, but it doesn't matter. The brands are still the same and what it does is analyzes the brands of pet foods as to quality rating them on a scale and then explains why. It has the foods listed alphabetically and that's really helpful. I really like this site. I spent a lot of time on it when I was trying to find a better food for Biru when he was diagnosed with kidney disease. Kitty litter is a matter of choice depending on what you prefer and then what the cat prefers. You've had a lot of good recommendations from the other Peas so I won't add to this. Beds-My cats have always slept in my bed. It's one of the joys of owning a cat in my opinion. There is a cat bed I like from Amazon because it has high sides which cats like-it makes them feel enclosed instead of just a flat cat bed. I got it for Biru who hated it but his brother cat James loved it. You can never tell with cats. It's called the K&H Manufacturing Lazy Kup. Luckily it's not very expensive, only $15.29-$19.99 depending on the size you order. Plus you can return it if the cat refuses to use it. You should get a scratching post of some kind. You want the cat to learn an appropriate place to scratch (and they do have to do this to sharpen their claws-it's an urge they can't ignore) instead of your sofa. I like the cardboard ones but in those I like them when they are made into a square like device that is solid so that it doesn't move around. Target had one recently that I bought from their own line. Usually you see them made into a flat surface for on the floor. This one is about 12" tall and shaped like a cube. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Good luck and have fun with your new fur baby! Debbie in MD.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 17, 2016 18:25:33 GMT
When we first brought home our cats we used clumping Fresh Step litter. After some time I found that I didn't like the "dust" that came with it and wanted to switch to World's Best Cat Litter (it's flushable) or something similar. I tried a long transition to the new litter and the cats weren't having it. That is just my experience, but choose wisely in the beginning in case you can't switch later. Our vet told me the hard food does work for the teeth - my ten year old cats just had their checkup and had no tartar and their teeth looked great from that point (one cat did have to have teeth pulled for other reasons). Either way I would buy food that has been formulated for their needs. You never know where/on what your cat will love to sleep. Our cats have liked their cat beds and still sleep in them, but their current favorite is a penguin pillow from Justice my daughter bought and surrendered, lol. They also sleep in our bed every night, nap on the couch, and really like towels on the floor. Cats always find a way to make it work. Your cat doesn't have to have a bed, but it wouldn't hurt to get one (you can get an inexpensive one to start with). I'm glad you are rescuing a cat. Since he was a pet at one time and is acclimated to humans, I bet he will make an awesome cat for you guys. Enjoy! And post pics!
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Post by birukitty on May 17, 2016 18:31:08 GMT
IMO Making your own cat food is a pretty complicated endeavor unless you have the right equipment. Specifically something that will grind up bones. You definitely don't want to buy ground beef off the shelf. Pre-ground meat has the surface bacteria already ground into it, and the butchers that prepared the ground meat expect that the consumer will be cooking it, so, their equipment and/or handling procedures may not be as sanitary in its preparation. I got my cat from a co-worker who was fostering him. She had a butcher that made food specifically for cats. It was $$$$, but she had 4 cats in the house, and you couldn't smell the litterbox at all! Unfortunately this butcher is on the other side of town - otherwise, I'd go with a raw diet. I buy my cat's meat from Whole Foods and it is pre ground dark turkey or dark chicken meat. Yes, Whole Foods may seem extravagant to many people, but I want the best for me cat and after my 2 year experience with Biru and this raw diet using the powder supplement from www.felineinstincts.com and making his food this way in which I reversed his kidney disease from Stage 3 to total reversal I firmly believe it is the healthiest diet for cats. I don't mind spending a bit more in feeding my cat this diet. I believe it will pay off in the long run on a healthier cat and less trips to the vet and less problems with his health. Bacteria wise-cats systems are designed to handle the bacteria. The meat doesn't have to be cooked in order for them to do so. They eat mice without cooking them beforehand don't they? I do realize mice are different from grocery store pre ground meat, but bacteria is bacteria. There is a great video on www.felineinstincts.com where a holistic vet explains how this process works in cats and why it isn't dangerous for them to eat raw meat if anyone is interested. Debbie in MD.
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Post by paperaddictedpea on May 17, 2016 18:38:21 GMT
I've tried a ton of litters and the best I've found is Precious Cat. It's not dusty, and it clumps really well so it's easy to scoop and the boxes stay cleaner longer. The only negative is that it's HEAVY! I buy the 40 lb bag because it's a better value, but it's always an adventure dragging the bag up to the second floor where I keep the litter boxes.
I have covered litter boxes and my cats seem to like them.
As far as food, I leave out a small amount of grain-free dry food at all times plus feed a serving of wet food in the morning and evening. My cats are on the picky side and there aren't many brands and flavors they'll both eat, and they've also been known to suddenly decide that they don't like a food that they've eaten with no issues for months, so I try to switch things up pretty often. Right now they're alternating between Dave's, Weruva, Natural Balance and California Naturals. I'm fortunate to have a locally-owned pet store right near my house and they carry tons of brands, so it's easy to try something new and they sometimes give me samples to try.
My cats are spoiled princesses and have many beds and blankets, but they're also huge fans of cardboard boxes and paper bags. I'd suggest putting down a couple of soft cushions or blankets in quiet spots to start and see what kitty likes.
Good luck with your kitty and please share a picture!
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on May 17, 2016 21:38:46 GMT
We use an open litter pan, because that is what cat #1 was accustomed to. If you have the space, you can create a covered litter box using a big, lidded Rubbermaid container. Simply cut a large hole on one side of the lid for kitty access. This would certainly eliminate the cat throwing litter out of the box. I've also seen furniture pieces that hide litter boxes. You may have to try different types of litter. We started out with Fresh Step. But, I think they had to have changed their formula because it didn't work after a while. The stuff in the bag, vs. the box, was awful. Next was one that was black. I think it was Arm & Hammer. It smelled like fermenting alcohol. Blech! Anyway, we ended up with Tidy Cat for Multiple Cats. Now, we are combining that with a Tidy Cat that has Febreeze in it. Food...my cats are fed Weruva chicken (canned). I buy it from Chewy dot com. They also get a little dry from Fromm. Dry can cause problems with bladder crystals. So, I mainly feed them the wet. I love Chewy for auto-delivery. Cut the mats from his tail. If he is happy being brushed, you don't want to mess that up by creating a painful brushing of his tail. Does he need a bed? Probably not. If he is anything like mine, he will find a bed or back of a couch that he likes to snooze on. Right now, one of my cats is snoozing in a basket of towels that need folded. Both my cats love laying in a basket of towels or sheets. Also, he may like to share the dog's bed. Again, my oldest cat likes the pups' beds...sometime with one of the dogs. They have a bed of their own that has never been used. As for toys, you can spend tons of money on them. Or, you can give them the ring off the milk bottle and old pill bottles. LOL! Mine also like their MCD's Beanie Baby that is an inch worm. This is the best scratching post that I have found. We've tried so many of them. The carpet covered ones are terrible. This is the best carrier ever. The oldest cat was impossible to get out of the carrier. After having to dismantle and then put the crate back together a couple of times at the vet, I bought this. Now we can easily get her out of the crate through the top door.
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Post by AN on May 17, 2016 22:33:05 GMT
If your cat will use the Tidy Cats Breeze box, it is amazing.
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tuesdaysgone
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Post by tuesdaysgone on May 17, 2016 22:40:59 GMT
You are getting good advice here. We rescued a Russian Blue several years ago and he was one of the best (and most beautiful) cats I've ever owned. Unfortunately, he was accustomed to being an outdoor cat (I found him in the parking lot of a very busy Chick fil A) and he didn't like to be confined to indoors. We put in a cat door and he came and went as he pleased.
Good luck. Cats are easy once you get used to each other.
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