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Post by melanell on May 20, 2016 14:42:28 GMT
Hmm. I seriously did not pick up anything like that in this OP. And trust me, I totally know what you're talking about. I've seen it so many times. But in this particular case it really sounded more to me like a mom who is wondering if she's making a mountain out of a molehill or choosing the wrong hill to die on, etc., etc. Maybe. I think she just supported the snark in the follow up post judging her friend later. And I get sick of it all. My kid has a phone. My nephew does not. Why? Because they are different kids, with different personalities and my sister parents him the way she needs to parent him and I do the same. I totally agree. I agree and disagree with this, though. Yes, she already read about it and she saw only the negatives to it. And yes, she could have been asking to judge, but, in general, if anyone else in the world was asking, do you think that there could be real curiosity or even a desire to learn and maybe grow in a question like that? Because just like everyone parents differently, people live differently. And so sometimes the reasons one gives can make us stop and think. I saw points in this very thread that I never considered in regards to social media and kids. I never really stopped to consider that my son, for instance, might miss out on opportunities because he's not seeing the opportunity online when his friends are. I was thinking of social media, in regards to him, as merely a way to chat an share stuff, not for any of the same reasons I find it useful. Which is actually kind of crappy and unfair of me. Plus, because my son's current school used a website for all grades, homework, etc., I never ever thought about the fact that as he moves on to high school that teachers might post school related things to social media.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 20, 2016 14:58:58 GMT
My 13 year old had to wait until she was 13. She is a rule follower.
I actually let her get Instagram when she was 12 and 10 months, we had a day of sitting at the hospital with her Grandfather, she needed something to do to keep from dying of boredom.
Most of her friends has IG before she did. Some who got it and didn't "know" they needed parent permission. It was an issue with her group of friends. She wasn't immune or unaware she looked at friends accounts but she waited until I told her it was okay before she got her on.
She also got a FB account. I think she has posted something once, almost all her "friends" are family, she thinks its something old people use... but likes looking that post when she is waiting for the bus etc.
I understand the OP's question. I too have heard nightmares about Snap Chat more than any other Social Media, and kind of wonder why anyone would let their kid have it. I think it is a legitimate question. Probably poorly worded. I think what I would want to understand, is with all the bad press about SC why should I let my kid have it? (last summer her camp roommate posted a few video's of my daughter practicing lines for a show and being silly, my daughter was pissed she did it without her permission, and thought the girl was making fun of her... I think she was. Though friends assured her, it was funny in a funny way..not a making fun of you way) So my daughter is wary of Snap Chat.
My daughter doesn't have it. If she really wanted it I would say okay but I would get it to follow her.... though I would need to do my homework are chats sent out to all your connections, like on FB or IG.. or are they made specifically with a person or group??
This I know to be true. If your kids wants it and you say no..they can still have it, if they want it bad enough. So you have to be prepared no matter what.
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Post by pridemom on May 20, 2016 15:04:46 GMT
Federal law for Internet accounts is 13. I made my kids wait from the oldest to the youngest.
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Post by melanell on May 20, 2016 15:13:06 GMT
I understand the OP's question. I too have heard nightmares about Snap Chat more than any other Social Media, and kind of wonder why anyone would let their kid have it. I think it is a legitimate question. Probably poorly worded. I think what I would want to understand, is with all the bad press about SC why should I let my kid have it? See, I understand this as well. It's basically a situation where if my kid says they want to use Snapchat, I'm going to go over a mental pro/con list in my head. Only in the case of snapchat, I haven't heard any pros. Mind you, I never looked for them---but only because no one has yet been interested in using it in my home or close family/friends. I've never seen it used IRL. So yeah, I would be mildly curious about a conversation about it. I'd definitely be interested in hearing some from other parents. Simply because until now, the only time I hear someone mention it is in a negative way. Which seems so lop-sided. I this kind of issue goes for anything regarding parenting. Take bottle vs breast-feeding. If I want to bottle feed, and I've heard a million fights between parents on both sides, I might want to ask the bottle-using parents for their thoughts & advice. Maybe because I've already decided and want some tips, or maybe because I feel like I should feel bad about it for some reason so I'm looking for reassurance. But I might also be afraid to even ask for fear that no one will believe that reasons for me asking can exist beyond just trying to lure people into a situation where I can whip out my judgy pants on them. It's hard to just say "Hey, can we discuss the differences?" about anything because too many people seem incapable of discussing without judging, and then (understandably) so many others are afraid of running into those judgy arguers that they don't want to discuss it either. We're basically stuck in a situation where it's really hard to find people willing to simply discuss for discussion's sake when it comes to a lot of things----parenting, politics, religion, hell, these days, even the weather!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:19:45 GMT
That's a tough call, luckily I don't have to make that decision. My BIL does not allow his three girls (ages 9-13) on social media and NEVER posts pictures of them on his Facebook. I applaud his decision.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 20, 2016 15:19:59 GMT
The only person I snapchat with is my youngest DS, I suppose my opinion doesn't count. Teachers here use social media to post study tips, supporting info. The kids use it to form study groups and teams. All starting in middle school. My oldest was technically savvy at a young age. He would be the classic kid with 10 accounts we didn't know about. I had to start early to make him OWN IT and be responsible. And to teach them both to not walk down the dark alleys of the Internet, just like the physical world. Sure there's a lot of bad stuff out there, they need to learn how to avoid it, and how to get away if they see if coming. monklady123 and anxiousmom agree with you.
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Post by bostonmama on May 20, 2016 15:20:16 GMT
The moms who hand their kid a phone at 9, 11, 13 and say, "Here's the entire world; I think you're ready to handle anything you see or hear. Have fun!" will always justify their choice by ridiculing others who are "strict/coddling their kids/burying their heads in the sand."
Moms who set boundaries and restrict social media and certain apps will always look down on moms who don't, wondering why they don't love their kids enough to protect them from adult images/situations/consequences until they're actual adults.
Moms who let up on social media restrictions by the time their 2nd or 3rd kid started pleading will always say, " You have to know your kid and decide what's right for that individual."
Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly.
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Post by melanell on May 20, 2016 15:25:09 GMT
The moms who hand their kid a phone at 9, 11, 13 and say, "Here's the entire world; I think you're ready to handle anything you see or hear. Have fun!" will always justify their choice by ridiculing others who are "strict/coddling their kids/burying their heads in the sand." Moms who set boundaries and restrict social media and certain apps will always look down on moms who don't, wondering why they don't love their kids enough to protect them from adult images/situations/consequences until they're actual adults. Moms who let up on social media restrictions by the time their 2nd or 3rd kid started pleading will always say, " You have to know your kid and decide what's right for that individual." Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So basically all moms suck?
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 20, 2016 15:26:25 GMT
The moms who hand their kid a phone at 9, 11, 13 and say, "Here's the entire world; I think you're ready to handle anything you see or hear. Have fun!" will always justify their choice by ridiculing others who are "strict/coddling their kids/burying their heads in the sand." Moms who set boundaries and restrict social media and certain apps will always look down on moms who don't, wondering why they don't love their kids enough to protect them from adult images/situations/consequences until they're actual adults. Moms who let up on social media restrictions by the time their 2nd or 3rd kid started pleading will always say, " You have to know your kid and decide what's right for that individual." Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So basically all moms suck? Of course we do! Ask our teens.
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Post by bostonmama on May 20, 2016 15:28:08 GMT
The moms who hand their kid a phone at 9, 11, 13 and say, "Here's the entire world; I think you're ready to handle anything you see or hear. Have fun!" will always justify their choice by ridiculing others who are "strict/coddling their kids/burying their heads in the sand." Moms who set boundaries and restrict social media and certain apps will always look down on moms who don't, wondering why they don't love their kids enough to protect them from adult images/situations/consequences until they're actual adults. Moms who let up on social media restrictions by the time their 2nd or 3rd kid started pleading will always say, " You have to know your kid and decide what's right for that individual." Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So basically all moms suck? There will always be at least one other mother that thinks we do, I'm sure! Quite possibly our own
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Post by amom23 on May 20, 2016 15:31:20 GMT
OP - why get your son an iPhone if he can only use it to talk and text (is texting allowed in your house)?
My now 14 yr old in on Instagram, Twitter and Snap Chat (OMG the devil itself lol). He doesn't post a lot (yes, I follow him) and so far still has good social skills, plenty of friends, plays sports, gets good grades and on and on and on the list goes.
Point is do whatever the hell you want as a parent.
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Post by Kerri W on May 20, 2016 15:32:42 GMT
Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So we're all just a bunch of idiots making decisions on the fly and giving no consideration to our particular situations? Ok then.
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Post by bostonmama on May 20, 2016 15:37:24 GMT
Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So we're all just a bunch of idiots making decisions on the fly and giving no consideration to our particular situations? Ok then. Are you one who picks a battle in the Mommy Wars?!
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Post by melanell on May 20, 2016 15:43:17 GMT
Sometimes it seems like the Mommy Wars aren't even over well-thought out parenting strategies anymore, but rather justifications for whatever self-righteous and sanctimonious decision we (truthfully) just made on the fly. So we're all just a bunch of idiots making decisions on the fly and giving no consideration to our particular situations? Ok then. You know what, to a certain extent, I think that's actually fine. I don't need to handle every day to day question or issue with my kids backed by a well-thought out parenting strategy. Sometimes I answer with the first thing that comes to mind and I'm happy with that. Other time, I answer, they leave, and then i think "Oh man, I'm not sure that was the best choice", but it turns out fine. And sometimes I really think something is a good choice, but then something happens to make me realize that i was wrong or I didn't account for something, and then I do the worst thing ever-----I change my mind. Because contrary to what people who have created "sides" may think, it's okay to volley back and forth a bit or to straddle the middle of the road. And that's why calm, casual parenting conversations can be so great. Because they bring up options and ideas you can try later if you want. Or they bring up points you may not have thought of that you will definitely want to keep in mind later. But I think it helps if we talk to one another like we're teammates in the parenting world, not enemies or opposing teams, in order for it really work out that way.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 20, 2016 15:45:11 GMT
So basically all moms suck? According to my precious little snowflake this morning I 'suck balls' as I was 'encouraging' him to rise and shine and greet the morning of his LAST DAY OF HIGH SCHOOL EVER. Apparently that translated into teenspeak as 'I can be as late as I want because SENIOR' and I was too old/stupid/sucky to know how to interpret teen speak. Of course this same little snowflake agreed with a smile to allow me to take a picture of him in the exact same spot that I took his picture on his first day of kindergarten so ... maybe I don't suck too bad.
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Post by kelly8875 on May 20, 2016 15:48:42 GMT
Most kids have it all. If they want it, they have it. Whether you like it or not. They can use their friends phones to log in to their own accounts. They can use fake names.
Only getting data on a smart phone doesn't do anything either. As long as they're near wifi, they can text, call, and video chat all they want with no calling or texting plan.
There are many social media apps that aren't even mentioned here that kids use. They aren't the Facebook generation...most the kids I know on FB have it because of a school reason (my DD has it for her dance team)
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I also look at this generation of kids much differently than when most of us grew up. Were you all perfect kids who did everything your parents thought or asked of you? Did you ever sneak out? Go to a party even though you were "at Susie's house"?
Now we have gps trackers on our kids most of the time. I know when they leave my house, get to my house, and the same with their dads house. It's hard for them to get away with certain things many people did years ago as 'normal teenagers'.
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Post by Kerri W on May 20, 2016 15:53:41 GMT
So we're all just a bunch of idiots making decisions on the fly and giving no consideration to our particular situations? Ok then. You know what, to a certain extent, I think that's actually fine. I don't need to handle every day to day question or issue with my kids backed by a well-thought out parenting strategy. Sometimes I answer with the first thing that comes to mind and I'm happy with that. Other time, I answer, they leave, and then i think "Oh man, I'm not sure that was the best choice", but it turns out fine. And sometimes I really think something is a good choice, but then something happens to make me realize that i was wrong or I didn't account for something, and then I do the worst thing ever-----I change my mind. Because contrary to what people who have created "sides" may think, it's okay to volley back and forth a bit or to straddle the middle of the road. And that's why calm, casual parenting conversations can be so great. Because they bring up options and ideas you can try later if you want. Or they bring up points you may not have thought of that you will definitely want to keep in mind later. But I think it helps if we talk to one another like we're teammates in the parenting world, not enemies or opposing teams, in order for it really work out that way. I absolutely agree with you...which is why the previous comment irritated me. Sometimes we make decisions on the fly and sometimes we actually think through the reason our 10 yo has an Instagram account and we are OK with it. I agree that conversations about parenting are awesome and I very much appreciate the discussions we have here. Discussions like this and IRL are what help me make the choice that is right for my family. What I don't like is the dismissiveness that because some of us have an opinion one way or the other that we're engaging in mommy wars or whatnot. It was the dismissive tone *I* heard in that post. Look at my posting history. It speaks for itself...I have an opinion but am keenly aware it's mine and I don't expect others to share it.
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Post by cmhs on May 20, 2016 15:55:37 GMT
My 22 yo dd recently told me she had a Facebook account long before I allowed her to have one. D'S is 12 and doesn't have Facebook (as far as I know) but he does have instagram, snap chat and a youtube channel.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 16:07:27 GMT
Just throwing this out there because I'm a middle school teacher and listen to my kids when they think I'm not tuned in.... Email accounts are free, can be created by anyone, age can be lied about. An email is all that is required for any social media account. For those who say their kids don't have social media, I wouldn't be so sure. Kids are tech savvy. They know how to hide stuff from parents. This is so true! We have to be smarter than they are, lol. There are ways to monitor what happens on their devices. I realize my kids may have accounts that I don't know about but I've also explained to them that when I find out about them, their life is going to become pretty miserable. It's up to them if they want to take the risk but we as parents are being very clear about what we approve of and why. It's an ongoing discussion.
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Post by bostonmama on May 20, 2016 16:09:45 GMT
You know what, to a certain extent, I think that's actually fine. I don't need to handle every day to day question or issue with my kids backed by a well-thought out parenting strategy. Sometimes I answer with the first thing that comes to mind and I'm happy with that. Other time, I answer, they leave, and then i think "Oh man, I'm not sure that was the best choice", but it turns out fine. And sometimes I really think something is a good choice, but then something happens to make me realize that i was wrong or I didn't account for something, and then I do the worst thing ever-----I change my mind. Because contrary to what people who have created "sides" may think, it's okay to volley back and forth a bit or to straddle the middle of the road. And that's why calm, casual parenting conversations can be so great. Because they bring up options and ideas you can try later if you want. Or they bring up points you may not have thought of that you will definitely want to keep in mind later. But I think it helps if we talk to one another like we're teammates in the parenting world, not enemies or opposing teams, in order for it really work out that way. I absolutely agree with you...which is why the previous comment irritated me. Sometimes we make decisions on the fly and sometimes we actually think through the reason our 10 yo has an Instagram account and we are OK with it. I agree that conversations about parenting are awesome and I very much appreciate the discussions we have here. Discussions like this and IRL are what help me make the choice that is right for my family. What I don't like is the dismissiveness that because some of us have an opinion one way or the other that we're engaging in mommy wars or whatnot. It was the dismissive tone *I* heard in that post. Look at my posting history. It speaks for itself...I have an opinion but am keenly aware it's mine and I don't expect others to share it. I apologize if you took offense to what I was saying. When I see the Mommy Wars play out on FB and such, the moms with the steadfast and 'right' approach are usually those that haven't seemed to put much thought into their choice...or haven't been there yet (younger kids). The parents willing to think through their decisions, weigh all the facts, are those that don't feel the need to engage in the sanctimonious judging of other parents in the first place! No matter what we do as parents, there will always be someone else who disagrees with our decision. But it's OUR decision.
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Post by calgal08 on May 20, 2016 16:12:04 GMT
My almost 13 year old had an Instagram account (but he only got it on the understanding that I would be a friend and so would other parents I know); however, he lost Instagram privilege when grades slipped. For us, it has to be earned.
Snapchat is a definite no Facebook he's not asked for
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 20, 2016 16:40:27 GMT
My kids had dumb phones when they were 10 & 11 because they had to be home afterschool alone and needed a way to contact me. I upgraded them to smart phones a couple of years later. My DD started out with a Facebook account when she was a preteen. That was the extent of her social media for a long while. Now, she's 16 and she's on basically all the social media sites. My DS is 14 and he's not interested. I find myself agreeing with anxiousmom. I have always had the rule that you had to be willing to hand your phone over at any time and it was subject to search by me. I have had two occasions in the past five years with DD to check her phone. Both times, I did not find anything incriminating. I am of the opinion that I have a pretty good relationship with my kids. Both of them are pretty open with me. I don't feel like either of them are into hiding what they are doing. I am not naïve, though, and I know they don't always tell me everything, but I feel like important stuff, they come to me. I also think that both of them have good judgment, as well. They have proven that they can make good choices. I trust them to handle social media responsibly and I also trust that if something questionable were to happen, both of them would tell me and most likely seek my counsel. It's just the nature of our relationship.
I think as a parent, you should be making rules based on your kids. I try my best to assess every situation as it comes to me and then make the decision based on what I know of my kid. And I am not one to deal in absolutes. As a child proves themselves to me, I reward with more privileges. I am not the type of parent that makes rules strictly based on age. Like 13 to have a Facebook account or 16 to date. I don't even have a curfew. I take each situation separately and decide what is an appropriate time for my child to be home based on that particular situation. And I think my kids respect that philosophy. Rarely do I hear a groan when I say that they have to be home by 9:00 on a particular night because I'm tired. They know that next time I may be willing to say you can stay out until 11:30 on a weekend so they can hit a 9:00 movie. But then again, my parenting philosophy is based on the kids I have. If I had sneaky kids, I might be more strict. If I had kids who didn't respect my rules, then I wouldn't be giving them as much leeway as I do.
OP, I did not take your post as judgmental. I think each child is individual. I think each parent-child relationship is different. What works for mine, might not work for yours.
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Post by merry27 on May 20, 2016 18:07:24 GMT
OP - why get your son an iPhone if he can only use it to talk and text (is texting allowed in your house)?
My now 14 yr old in on Instagram, Twitter and Snap Chat (OMG the devil itself lol). He doesn't post a lot (yes, I follow him) and so far still has good social skills, plenty of friends, plays sports, gets good grades and on and on and on the list goes.
Point is do whatever the hell you want as a parent. Yes, texting is allowed. He plays games, listens to music, likes to research things on Amazon, takes pictures and access his schools website where they post grades, offer study tips and have group chats. All heavily monitored by the school. Any app he wants to download comes directly to my husband and I to approve first. I'm not trying to keep him in a bubble or look down on parents who allow their kids full internet/app access. This is my oldest child and I was asking what the norm is and wondering if maybe I was being too strict. I am surprised that so many younger kids are on snapchat. There are no parental controls on it and I'm more worried about what someone would be sending to my son that suddenly disappears. There has been a lot in the news about sexting and sending inappropriate messages and bullying. I also think social media can be hard for teens- they might see that all their friends are doing something or at an event that they weren't included in. I realize you need to learn that you won't always be included but it's a hard thing to deal with at that age.
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Post by seaexplore on May 20, 2016 18:27:34 GMT
What about kik, vine, tumbler, Twitter?
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Post by AussieMeg on May 20, 2016 23:38:41 GMT
What about kik, vine, tumbler, Twitter? I never even knew Kik existed until DSO was going through DS's iPad and found some very inappropriate pictures and discussions between 11yo DS and his mates.
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Post by seaexplore on May 20, 2016 23:54:04 GMT
What about kik, vine, tumbler, Twitter? I never even knew Kik existed until DSO was going through DS's iPad and found some very inappropriate pictures and discussions between 11yo DS and his mates. Yep. There are more. I've been out of my classroom on maternity leave since March 4 so I'm a bit behind. Lol
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Post by anxiousmom on May 21, 2016 0:17:14 GMT
What about kik, vine, tumbler, Twitter? The crowd around here doesn't isn't really into kik, but vine, tumbler and reddit are big. Twitter is in waning days now the grown ups, corporations and general public at large are in involved. They still tweet, but when your mother is proudly proclaiming that she has 7 whole followers it takes the mystery away from it. My son was showing a me new app the other day- phhhoto- it takes a short 3 second moving photo and posts like instagram. I thought it was kind of interesting-but like any kind of photo sharing app, there are all kinds of ways it can be exploited.
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Post by supascrappa on May 21, 2016 17:46:20 GMT
I teach elementary. Nearly all the parents who scream "my kid isn't on social media!" in my world are so wrong it's scary.
Kids use other kids' technology all the time. They also LOOK over the shoulders of their friends and see all the stuff on those sites. Snaps, tweets, posts, photos and videos.
Just because your kid doesn't have (or doesn't tell you they have) an account or online footprint, sure as hell does not mean they aren't exposed to it via their buddies. I'd rather know my kid is using or looking at those particular sites so I can monitor them and be aware of what's going on in their world. But that's just me.
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Post by Zee on May 21, 2016 19:03:16 GMT
"Social media footprint" is now one of my most hated phrases, along with "think outside the box" and "open concept living space". Thanks guys!
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Post by anonrefugee on May 21, 2016 19:09:08 GMT
What about kik, vine, tumbler, Twitter? The crowd around here doesn't isn't really into kik, but vine, tumbler and reddit are big. Twitter is in waning days now the grown ups, corporations and general public at large are in involved. They still tweet, but when your mother is proudly proclaiming that she has 7 whole followers it takes the mystery away from it. My son was showing a me new app the other day- phhhoto- it takes a short 3 second moving photo and posts like instagram. I thought it was kind of interesting-but like any kind of photo sharing app, there are all kinds of ways it can be exploited. My son was using it too. Pretty cool.
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