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Post by katybee on Jun 7, 2016 18:26:33 GMT
Ok...so here's the deal. I like Bernie Sanders. If he were the nominee, I would be perfectly ok with that.
And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. The fact is, Hilary is leading the popular vote by over 3 million votes! That's what matters to me. I just listened to some Bernie supporters on TV claim that those early caucuses and primaries should not count, because people did not know about Bernie. They did not understand what he stood for, and if they had, they would have voted for him. But isn't that the Sanders campaign's fault? Wasn't it their job to make sure that people knew about him? If you're going to run for president, you need to run for president before the primaries and caucuses. That's how the system works.
So I guess Bernie wants the superdelegates to consider switching over to him, even though the popular vote is in Hillary's favor. Because he has "the momentum." But doesn't that discount MY vote??? I voted in a relatively early primary (Texas) and I voted for Hilary. And I knew exactly what I was doing. I do not want my vote taken away, because Bernie has one more of the later votes. I don't get it.
This whole primary system is screwed up – on both sides. It should be a popular vote, plain and simple! BTW – I also think we should get rid of the electoral college and do MAJOR campaign finance reform--but that is a whole other issue.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 7, 2016 18:30:36 GMT
I think by persisting, Bernie Sanders is damaging his party's ability to win the general election. He is helping Trump do his job. Now is the time to unite and move forward.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2016 18:31:30 GMT
I also want them to stop claiming Bernie would beat Trump in the general election. The Republican machine hasn't shifted into anti-Bernie gear, and trust me, if they did, that would be the end of Bernie. At the moment, they're actually supporting him as a shot over the bow against Hillary, whom they're way more scared of. I feel bad for them (I was there in 2008), but it's over, and at this point, they're just working to elect Trump.  |
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Post by mimi3566 on Jun 7, 2016 18:33:54 GMT
I think the fair way would be for all of the primaries to be on the same day but they are not....Hillary was declared the nominee before my cousin that lives in New Mexico even had a chance to vote, which was today....that doesn't make sense.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 18:41:32 GMT
And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. And that is a huge problem. The media has obfuscated the entire issue by misreporting the numbers right from the beginning. Basically - Supers only vote at the convention (July 25-28). Plegded delegates are the votes that are being tallied during the primaries. These are your vote and mine. The actual pledged delegate count is: 1812 Clinton 1521 Sanders 2,382 is needed to "clinch the nomination" Hillary has NOT officially met the magic number of delegates required - she has to rely on the Superdelegates to make that number and 450 of those committed to her long before they even knew who all would be running in 2016. The AP has been polling the Supers and including their number in with the actual votes. Many believe in addition to the 450 Supers she came into the race with and the misreporting of actual numbers is an attempt by the establishment and media to hand the nomination to Hillary. Today is a huge voting day with California being the largest of the pledged delegate states. For the media to call the race before Clinton reaches the number by pledged votes alone is basically anointing her the nomination. Likely, Clinton will reach those votes today - but to do so prior to actually obtaining them hurts not just Sanders campaign but Clinton's as well as it may have an impact on voter turnout - those who think "eh, it's all over, why bother?" This makes the voices of millions silent. This is the problem I have with this whole process. It feels rigged. It would feel rigged if it went the other way. |
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Post by mimi3566 on Jun 7, 2016 18:48:16 GMT
And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. And that is a huge problem. The media has obfuscated the entire issue by misreporting the numbers right from the beginning. Basically - Supers only vote at the convention (July 25-28). Plegded delegates are the votes that are being tallied during the primaries. These are your vote and mine. The actual pledged delegate count is: 1812 Clinton 1521 Sanders 2,382 is needed to "clinch the nomination" Hillary has NOT officially met the magic number of delegates required - she has to rely on the Superdelegates to make that number and 450 of those committed to her long before they even knew who all would be running in 2016. The AP has been polling the Supers and including their number in with the actual votes. Many believe in addition to the 450 Supers she came into the race with and the misreporting of actual numbers is an attempt by the establishment and media to hand the nomination to Hillary. Today is a huge voting day with California being the largest of the pledged delegate states. For the media to call the race before Clinton reaches the number by pledged votes alone is basically anointing her the nomination. Likely, Clinton will reach those votes today - but to do so prior to actually obtaining them hurts not just Sanders campaign but Clinton's as well as it may have an impact on voter turnout - those who think "eh, it's all over, why bother?" This makes the voices of millions silent. This is the problem I have with this whole process. It feels rigged. It would feel rigged if it went the other way. Exactly!!! Thank you for perfectly explaining it! This whole damn process is rigged and it's very infuriating as an American. |
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Post by Nink on Jun 7, 2016 18:52:08 GMT
I think the fair way would be for all of the primaries to be on the same day but they are not....Hillary was declared the nominee before my cousin that lives in New Mexico even had a chance to vote, which was today....that doesn't make sense. I agreed 100%. I live in CA and we aren't even voting until today. I've said for years that all primaries should be held on same day and the President should only serve one 6 year term. That way they can just buckle in and do their job instead of worrying about re-election. |
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 7, 2016 19:07:48 GMT
I also want them to stop claiming Bernie would beat Trump in the general election. I think if you look in enough places you'll find polls that will and will not support this statement. In my state (Republican) a poll did show voters would choose Sanders over Hillary or Trump. That doesn't matter anyway. Hillary will be the nominee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 19:07:58 GMT
And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. And that is a huge problem. The media has obfuscated the entire issue by misreporting the numbers right from the beginning. Basically - Supers only vote at the convention (July 25-28). Plegded delegates are the votes that are being tallied during the primaries. These are your vote and mine. The actual pledged delegate count is: 1812 Clinton 1521 Sanders 2,382 is needed to "clinch the nomination" Hillary has NOT officially met the magic number of delegates required - she has to rely on the Superdelegates to make that number and 450 of those committed to her long before they even knew who all would be running in 2016. The AP has been polling the Supers and including their number in with the actual votes. Many believe in addition to the 450 Supers she came into the race with and the misreporting of actual numbers is an attempt by the establishment and media to hand the nomination to Hillary. Today is a huge voting day with California being the largest of the pledged delegate states. For the media to call the race before Clinton reaches the number by pledged votes alone is basically anointing her the nomination. Likely, Clinton will reach those votes today - but to do so prior to actually obtaining them hurts not just Sanders campaign but Clinton's as well as it may have an impact on voter turnout - those who think "eh, it's all over, why bother?" This makes the voices of millions silent. This is the problem I have with this whole process. It feels rigged. It would feel rigged if it went the other way. 1. I was watching the guy on MSNBC who explained why NBC agreed with AP's announcement. What they went through what they needed to do to reach the conclusion that they did. It wasn't something that a bunch of guys sitting around decided to announce on a whim. Superdelegates should be considered especially this late in the primaries. The SD don't have to say who they are going to vote for until the convention. Nor do they have to keep it a secret until then either. After doing their homework the media have determined x number of SD will vote for Hillary at the convention. They could change their mind but the number of pledge delegates Hillary has along with the big lead in popular vote it's highly unlikely they will change. But there is a reason the term is "presumptive nominee". 2. What about the 3.2 million more Democrats who have voted for Hillary then Bernie. Are you going dismiss the importance of this number? 3. In 2008 the writing was on the wall that Obama was going to be the nominee by the time we got to vote here in CA. However as a Hillary supporter I still voted and I voted for Hillary. Again, especially in CA there are other important down ticket races that are important. Just because "your guy" isn't winning is no excuse not to vote. Because the Republicans have their presumptive nominee it's time we switch to the general election. It's time for Bernie to get out. The longer he drags this out the weaker the Democrats become. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 19:15:50 GMT
Ok...so here's the deal. I like Bernie Sanders. If he were the nominee, I would be perfectly ok with that. And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. The fact is, Hilary is leading the popular vote by over 3 million votes! That's what matters to me. I just listened to some Bernie supporters on TV claim that those early caucuses and primaries should not count, because people did not know about Bernie. They did not understand what he stood for, and if they had, they would have voted for him. But isn't that the Sanders campaign's fault? Wasn't it their job to make sure that people knew about him? If you're going to run for president, you need to run for president before the primaries and caucuses. That's how the system works. So I guess Bernie wants the superdelegates to consider switching over to him, even though the popular vote is in Hillary's favor. Because he has "the momentum." But doesn't that discount MY vote??? I voted in a relatively early primary (Texas) and I voted for Hilary. And I knew exactly what I was doing. I do not want my vote taken away, because Bernie has one more of the later votes. I don't get it. This whole primary system is screwed up – on both sides. It should be a popular vote, plain and simple! BTW – I also think we should get rid of the electoral college and do MAJOR campaign finance reform--but that is a whole other issue. I think it's the fault of the people who are claiming that they voted before they knew the candidates. Voting is a privilege that comes with responsibility. If you're going to vote, then get off your lazy ass and at the very least, know who the candidates are and do your own research. Know what their views and stances are BEFORE you vote. SMH that it even has to be said. It wasn't Bernie's job to knock them over the head and spend millions upon millions to make sure people knew about him. The fact that candidates have to have obscene amounts of money behind them is a HUGE part of the problem with the system. I think his crazy supporters are doing him and his campaign a disservice with stupid statements like this and OTT antics. I've got big, big problems with the way elections and campaigns are run by BOTH parties. I'm a bit disappointed in Bernie for hitching his star to the D ticket. I think he should have run independently. |
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Post by mimi3566 on Jun 7, 2016 20:43:54 GMT
Ok...so here's the deal. I like Bernie Sanders. If he were the nominee, I would be perfectly ok with that. And and I don't get the whole "super delegate thing" and honestly--don't care. The fact is, Hilary is leading the popular vote by over 3 million votes! That's what matters to me. I just listened to some Bernie supporters on TV claim that those early caucuses and primaries should not count, because people did not know about Bernie. They did not understand what he stood for, and if they had, they would have voted for him. But isn't that the Sanders campaign's fault? Wasn't it their job to make sure that people knew about him? If you're going to run for president, you need to run for president before the primaries and caucuses. That's how the system works. So I guess Bernie wants the superdelegates to consider switching over to him, even though the popular vote is in Hillary's favor. Because he has "the momentum." But doesn't that discount MY vote??? I voted in a relatively early primary (Texas) and I voted for Hilary. And I knew exactly what I was doing. I do not want my vote taken away, because Bernie has one more of the later votes. I don't get it. This whole primary system is screwed up – on both sides. It should be a popular vote, plain and simple! BTW – I also think we should get rid of the electoral college and do MAJOR campaign finance reform--but that is a whole other issue. I'm a bit disappointed in Bernie for hitching his star to the D ticket. I think he should have run independently. I've been saying this for months.... |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 7, 2016 20:51:57 GMT
Well having now semi direct experience with people being denied their right to vote in the primary I do think it's time to check the system and TRAIN poll workers.
I gotta go with DD after work and educate the poll workers where we vote because they are clueless and are in direct conflict with the step by step instructions on our county clerks website. At this point I'm fairly sure it's just a lack of training on the poll workers part but damn that's their job ( yes they are paid here ) get with it. We have the technology to have the information printed and available AT the polls so it's ridiculous to have this happen.
If that doesn't work I'm encouraging her to call the aclu this crap at polling places had to stop!!! Voting is a right god dammit
( yeah I'm flippin mad I gotta waste my time fixing this )
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2016 20:53:29 GMT
Well having now semi direct experience with people being denied their right to vote in the primary I do think it's time to check the system and TRAIN poll workers. I gotta go with DD after work and educate the poll workers where we vote because they are clueless and are in direct conflict with the step by step instructions on our county clerks website. At this point I'm fairly sure it's just a lack of training on the poll workers part but damn that's their job ( yes they are paid here ) get with it. We have the technology to have the information printed and available AT the polls so it's ridiculous to have this happen. If that doesn't work I'm encouraging her to call the aclu this crap at polling places had to stop!!! Voting is a right god dammit ( yeah I'm flippin mad I gotta waste my time fixing this ) Need details! |
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Post by hop2 on Jun 7, 2016 22:02:42 GMT
Well having now semi direct experience with people being denied their right to vote in the primary I do think it's time to check the system and TRAIN poll workers. I gotta go with DD after work and educate the poll workers where we vote because they are clueless and are in direct conflict with the step by step instructions on our county clerks website. At this point I'm fairly sure it's just a lack of training on the poll workers part but damn that's their job ( yes they are paid here ) get with it. We have the technology to have the information printed and available AT the polls so it's ridiculous to have this happen. If that doesn't work I'm encouraging her to call the aclu this crap at polling places had to stop!!! Voting is a right god dammit ( yeah I'm flippin mad I gotta waste my time fixing this ) Need details! All fixed! Ok DD made a mistake and had her absentee ballot mailed to college. So we went online to see how to fix it. Directions were pretty clear. 'If you do not recieve your mail in ballot go to your polling Place and request a provisional ballot.' Great polling place is 1/4 mike away, splendid! ( not sure what you do if yoyr not actually here but not our current issue ) But the poll workers just did not know what to do and told DD no. DD wasn't ready to advocate for herself she was up at 4am to go to work and was tired. So when they said no she just left. She was so sad to not be able to vote.  I was so sad for her. I got indignantly mama bear. So after work we went in and the guy said to her 'hey your back.' And she said yea and We explained and showed them the county clerk website and the directions and they got out her a provisional ballot and she voted. The workers simply just did not know what was right on the county election board website. ( like I said just a case of clueless not any conspiracy ) BUT I should not have had to, they should know. They should have done it when she went the first time and asked. If She had late shift and went on her way to work she wouldn't have been able to go back. So good thing she could go back. So I sent a nice email to the county clerk and she sent me a nice email back ( rather quickly ) for the agency who is responsible for poll workers. So I suggested they have this information onsite. Thank god we don't live in a croweded place to vote or it could have been a real nightmare. Lol But we have the technology for stuff like this not to happen!! and no I didn't go all indignant mama bear at the poll workers we just talked to them. So there were no damn it's or anything like that. |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 2:45:11 GMT
All fixed! Ok DD made a mistake and had her absentee ballot mailed to college. So we went online to see how to fix it. Directions were pretty clear. 'If you do not recieve your mail in ballot go to your polling Place and request a provisional ballot.' Great polling place is 1/4 mike away, splendid! ( not sure what you do if yoyr not actually here but not our current issue ) But the poll workers just did not know what to do and told DD no. DD wasn't ready to advocate for herself she was up at 4am to go to work and was tired. So when they said no she just left. She was so sad to not be able to vote. I was so sad for her. I got indignantly mama bear. So after work we went in and the guy said to her 'hey your back.' And she said yea and We explained and showed them the county clerk website and the directions and they got out her a provisional ballot and she voted. The workers simply just did not know what was right on the county election board website. ( like I said just a case of clueless not any conspiracy ) BUT I should not have had to, they should know. They should have done it when she went the first time and asked. If She had late shift and went on her way to work she wouldn't have been able to go back. So good thing she could go back. So I sent a nice email to the county clerk and she sent me a nice email back ( rather quickly ) for the agency who is responsible for poll workers. So I suggested they have this information onsite. Thank god we don't live in a croweded place to vote or it could have been a real nightmare. Lol But we have the technology for stuff like this not to happen!! and no I didn't go all indignant mama bear at the poll workers we just talked to them. So there were no damn it's or anything like that. Good job, mama bear. I always think most of the polling place screw-ups are human error, not deliberate voter suppression. My DD just called me at 6:45 pm (polls don't close till 8:00) to say she was on her way to the polling place and how should she vote? I said, vote for Hillary. She said no. I knew she was going to say that.  She just wanted input on some down-ballot races and the one statewide proposition. Oh well, I tried. She does say she'll vote for Hillary in the fall. I love to see them vote even if they don't vote my way. (My DD is in her 30s but she's a little more like she's in her 20s. So she still calls mom for input.) |
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I was so sad for her. I got indignantly mama bear.
She just wanted input on some down-ballot races and the one statewide proposition. Oh well, I tried. She does say she'll vote for Hillary in the fall.