Non-Binary (LGBT) Question? Discussion?

I don't think it's new that there are people who are non-binary, but I think it's new that it's talked about, much less that it's accepted legally. I'm pretty proud to be an Oregonian.

Voter registration forms have boxes for male, female, and other.

Shoot--there have been a few people who claim a "religion" that allows them to wear tin foil on their heads in their DL photo.

And even some that are allowed to wear colander son their head in DL photos

That is interesting...I am surprised by that....I will have to check out that documentary. I guess I can understand it in that kind of case

I have a cousin who identifies as "Gender Fluid". I think I like that term better than Non-Binary. Some day's they feel more female, other days more male. They prefer not to be referenced as he/she and choose to be referred to as they/them.

I think the writer of that article has his facts mixed up. A Pakistani Muslim did come out to President Obama when they had a " town hall" meeting when he was in London. They(she) herself ( I'm not sure what to write there) said that she/he/they had problems within her own Pakistani/Muslim community here in the UK so I doubt very much that Pakistan as a country is that progressive. I can't find anything to confirm that and I'm pretty certain we would have heard about it by now if it was true! LINK

I saw an article not long ago, something about NY will be fining businesses $250,000 if they don't use the correct gender pronoun. And there was a really long list of possibilities that aren't intuitive. Things like xe and zir. I assume they're talking about employees who will let you know what to call them, but it's all new and not everybody (most people) can't understand it all yet. 

I have a friend who also likes they/them but identifies as agender or nongendered - born female but living in a very androgynous/ambiguous way.

I will tell you it used to make me nuts. Like, I don't get this, it will never make sense to me - but as time has gone on I have made sense of it. It's just how some people understand themselves. This is fine - I am a not super feminine, cisgender woman and identify as a woman, but knowing that I am somewhere on the less feminine end of the spectrum, I understand how someone could be elsewhere on that same spectrum. So I get it. If the option of "other" makes life easier for somebody else, I'm okay with that.

What the actual fuck?!

Identifying neither female nor male does not equal mental illness.

It's funny to me, but my oldest daughter has had a couple friends now who are either trans, transitioning, or not real sure where they fit or will end up and she uses the pronoun "they" completely naturally. One is like the above mentioned documentary- their DNA is ambiguous. I have no idea about genitalia, I assume DD doesn't either, but I am glad the world at least makes a space for them now. I don't know any of the specifics of this friend other than a number of health issues arising from the condition, but if it's hard for me to wrap my head around a non-gendered person, imagine a kid trying to do it?! Yet they grew up this way, in this world. It's amazing, really.

It isn't quite so straight forward as that though. das is used because the noun is ending with...chen. There are so many totally different rules in German grammar,we have nothing to compare to in English. It's a long time since I used my German though.

I watched it today too. I already knew all of the information but it was very interesting to hear their experiences. I don't know what I would have done in the 50s, but I do know I would never have consented to raise my boy as a girl due to a botched circumcision. Some of the chromosome disorders are less clear, but knowing what I know today, I'd leave it all alone and let nature and the child sort it out after puberty. Some of those people were mutilated, plain and simple. Heartbreaking.