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Post by finaledition on Jun 18, 2016 14:02:53 GMT
Alright Outlander, the highly anticipated episode written by Diana Gabaldon airs tonight. I did watch and will stay mum till later, but thought this would be a great article to start the thread with. Written by Diana Gabaldon and addresses the screen writing process and why you won't be getting exact scenes from the book. tl.gd/n_1soq76jSo remember if you have a book spoiler to make note what kind of spoiler you're inserting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 14:13:46 GMT
marking my spot. I'll be back later to discuss.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 18, 2016 17:54:34 GMT
DH is out of town, so I won't watch until tomorrow night.
But here's what Diana had to say on her FB page prior to the episode airing. I don't think it spoils anything unless you haven't seen episode 110, Prestonpans.
So, Episode 11…A Few Introductory Remarks
I know for a fact that there are a good many Major Book Fans out there gleefully rubbing their hands together and saying to their friends, “At _last_! Diana is writing the script! At last it’s going to be JUST LIKE IT IS IN THE BOOK!!”
And I realize that they’re thinking—as most people probably do—that the scriptwriter writes the script, hands it to the production team, who copy it and give it to the actors, who then follow the script to the last word, and you see onscreen exactly what was on the page.
Um. Well, no, this isn’t how it works--and I thought perhaps I ought to explain that, in the interests of people not forming unrealistic expectations. Consider the following:
1. This is the eleventh episode of a thirteen-episode series. I.e., it doesn’t stand alone. I had to work with all the events and assumptions flowing from the previous ten episodes and refrain from doing anything that would screw up the plan for episodes twelve or thirteen.
For example: My original script had several moments of comic byplay between Rupert and Angus. The original plan, at the time I’d hashed out the content of my episode with the Writers Room, was that they were going to kill Willie at the battle of Prestonpans (and we had a discussion as to what the symptoms of head injury are—I told them that it doesn’t cause people to spit blood, and told them what kind of injury _would_--so it’s actually my fault what happened to poor Angus…).
After I’d written the first draft, though, I was informed that Finn den Hertog (doubtless warned in a dream) had taken another job and wasn’t coming back to play Willie. So Angus was the next designated fall guy, and poof went all my bits of comic and poignant dialogue (there was a nice poignant bit in the chapel between Angus and Fergus, when they’re minding the horses).
I won’t tell you at this point what things I had in the script that I had to change or remove because they wanted to use those elements differently in Episode 12 or 13 (there were two important ones), but I’ll tell you Monday, after the US and Canada have had a chance to see Ep. 11.
2. Logistics. I had, as noted, horses in the chapel. Well, during the prep phases of production, the liaison people told me apologetically that they’d searched all over the areas of Scotland within reach, but weren’t able to find any church or chapel that would allow us to take horses inside, even with protective floor coverings. OK, no horses…
3. Revisions and rewrites. Now, this I was expecting. I’ve been a consultant on the show since early in Season One, which means that I see all the script outlines, revisions to script outlines, scripts, rewrites to scripts, partial revisions to scripts, page revisions to scripts, etc. There are a _lot_ of rewrites—to all scripts. The average script goes through at least six revisions, and often more.
They evolve, they change, and normally a lot of different people are involved: not only the original scriptwriter, but the show-runner and the co-producer who’s covering the block in which that script is shot. To say nothing of the director—who doesn’t make changes directly, but will certainly ask the scriptwriter to make them—and the actors.
Some rewrites are great and obvious improvements, some are hasty revisions done on the fly to meet some exigency—and some things change back and forth, depending on who’s in charge at a particular moment. Which leads us to…
4. Changes on set. When the cameras start to roll, the script doesn’t stop changing. At this point, though, the changes are normally minor, and done very much on the fly. An actor ad libs a line, and the ad lib is great—we put it in the official script. An actor (or two or three…) has trouble with a line…
(You know the bit of Episode 205 (I think it’s 205) where Bonnie Prince Charlie makes his way across the housetops to break in unceremoniously on Jamie and Claire? And Claire is examining his wounded hand, noting that the mark looks like an animal bite? Well, there was one line (it’s still in that episode) where Caitriona was to say, “Your Highness…is this bite perhaps…from a monkey?”
I don’t know what it was about the word “monkey,” but every time she said it, she, Sam and Andrew Gower all cracked up. Completely. They did it four or five times, same result. And you can hear Sam, off-camera, saying, “This is never gonna work,” followed smartly by the director (Metin Huseyin, I think it was) saying, “Oh, yes, it will!” It did, too—he made them do it over and over until they got tired and quit laughing long enough to get the shot.)
But sometimes, a line just isn’t that important, and can be cut if an actor doesn’t like it, or has trouble with it. (I had one line in this episode that read, “…you bloody, pig-headed Scot!” I wasn’t on set when that scene was filmed, though (I’d had to come home for Thanksgiving), and when I saw it in the dailies, it had come out as “…you stubborn Scot!” So I have no idea whether Caitriona didn’t like “…bloody, pig-headed,” whether the director thought the rhythm was too pronounced for the pacing of that scene, or what. It wasn’t an important change at all—but that’s an indication of the sort of stuff that happens All The Time.)
5. Editing changes. Few people who haven’t seen a film production from beginning to end have any idea how vital the film editor(s)’ job is. Their job is often that of bringing order out of chaos, as directors will shoot a huge amount of film, in order to be sure of having the shots they want, and the great majority of it won’t be used at all.
Contrariwise, sometimes when the editing is done, it becomes apparent that something was left out that really ought to be there. In this instance, I’d had a scene in which a letter is passed to someone, but that was removed, along with a few other small cut-away scenes (this means scenes that are dealing with action not in the main storyline—as with people traveling toward the point of the main action), as part of a general tightening.
The tightening up was good—but no one (including me) realized that we really should show the handover of that letter. The lack was realized only during the early editing phases, at which point Ron hastily wrote a two-minute scene where that happens, and they filmed it hastily as a pick-up shot (one not in the regular shooting schedule, but done on a day when the regular schedule is fairly light).
So, no—what you’re going to see is _not_ Just The Way It Is In The Book, nor is every word exactly the way I wrote it. I think it _is_ pretty good, though, and trust you’ll enjoy it when you see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 19:40:23 GMT
I cried at the end...I thinks it's because I'm getting old.
I loved the episode, the changes didn't bother me that much. The essence of the story is there and that's what I love.
I can't wait for B&R....
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Post by finaledition on Jun 19, 2016 0:01:40 GMT
I cried at the end...I thinks it's because I'm getting old. I loved the episode, the changes didn't bother me that much. The essence of the story is there and that's what I love. I can't wait for B&R.... I laughed! Well, not belly laughed, but laughed my head off. :-p <wink> |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 19, 2016 3:10:53 GMT
Just finished watching. I have watched the last 2 shows in small screen due to all the gore. Not a fan of all that. But know it's needed for the story to go forward. I went back and looked up the actual storyline for the Duke, and thought they stayed pretty close. The real change was Monroe.
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Post by momx1 on Jun 19, 2016 12:20:48 GMT
I loved the episode. My favorite part was Jamie praying over sleeping Claire. I was also excited... Book spoiler That Hugh Munro and Rupert survived the episode. |
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Post by Katie on Jun 19, 2016 12:56:57 GMT
It was a tense episode!! I kept wanting to change the channel because I was so afraid of what would happen next. I love the Duke only because he interacts so well with Claire. The actor really does a great job because even though I hate him, a small part of me likes him.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 19, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
I loved the episode but I really loved the ending. I can't remember how it differs from the book although I just read all of the books last year. I have problems with my memory and I read a lot of books. I really liked seeing Mary get some courage at the end and advocate for herself, and I can't help but love the way that nasty, evil Duke went down. I don't mind gore (I'm used to it with "Game of Thrones"). But really, that Duke deserved all he got. I was cheering at the end too.
I'm enjoying the film version for itself rather than reading portions of the book after the episodes and comparing the two. I adored the books and they are an entity to themselves, as are the film versions. I like them each on their own.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by finaledition on Jun 20, 2016 1:26:00 GMT
cindyupnorth I'm going to guess you don't watch Game of Thrones. That show has totally desensitized me to beheadings.   Katie I agree with you, I think the actor who portrayed the Duke was fantastic. He really embodied the character. Can't help think that he got what he deserved, but will miss him. birukitty - same with me regarding violence and GoT. I think I'm viewing it the same way as you in terms of seeing it as two separate entities and getting more enjoyment. I do think (and perhaps I'm a bit biased since I knew Diana Gabaldon wrote this going in), but it did feel more book like last night. The tenderness, the humor and people relationships really brought out more of the essence of the book in 211. momx1 - that was my favorite part too! Just loved it <3 So once again I watched this twice so far. The highlight to me this episode was the dialogue. Surprise surprise  There were probably more memorable/humorous lines in this episode than several others combined. "He decided to take a closer look at a musket ball." "I think we should go now" the critique of Claire's gaelic grammar "she canna even spell help" The part where Murtaugh questions Jamie marrying Claire. There were so many more, but I'm half watching the Warriors game right now.  So each episode when they say "previously on Outlander", it's always a nice little hint as to what's to come, but last night you knew right off the bat that they'd be packing a lot in it. And I liked those small moments that Rupert still spoke of Angus. Also, Dougal-I don't know that he totally redeemed himself, but gosh, he was so good! Here's my only criticism-I think the acting in Outlander is in a league of it's own, but Mary?, I know she's a spineless, timid girl, but I just don't think she's that great of an actress. I've read 2 reviews on episode 211 and one comes from a book reader who far preferred the first half to the second and the the second review came from a non-book reading television critic and they thought the second half was much better. So what about you? Personally I enjoyed both. They both had a different feel for sure, but I like what both accomplished.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 20, 2016 2:36:36 GMT
cindyupnorth I'm going to guess you don't watch Game of Thrones. That show has totally desensitized me to beheadings Oh, I totally do!! I watch GOTs the same way!! LOL. I don't know, I even work in medical, and I just don't like that sort of violence. |
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There were probably more memorable/humorous lines in this episode than several others combined.