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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 28, 2016 2:31:04 GMT
I know this is out of left field considering all the other stuff that is going on, but where is Ghost? Did something happen to him that I don't remember? I've been wondering why he hasn't been shown lately either, especially considering how much they did show him during Jon's death/come back to life scenes. Supposedly it's ridiculously expensive to CGI him in so maybe they are devoting those funds to the dragons now instead.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 28, 2016 2:32:03 GMT
Littlefinger has no claim to the Throne, that's why he has always tried to marry his way onto it.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 28, 2016 2:33:17 GMT
DD and I just finished watching. We got delayed a night. So many questions..like. Bran?? ok, she can't drag him all over the place. Can't it transform in to something else? Littlefinger, what claim does he have to the iron throne?? does he have any?? Sansi? does she like littlefinger? it almost looked like she gave in to him. and ick. What sort of man does she really like? gad...she's been thrown around by so many that who knows. Cersie, what claim does SHE have to the iron throne? because she was the widow? I'm sooo confused. ha. I wondered if she was more cautious in revealing her dislike of him to keep Jon and herself alive longer. She doesn't trust him and might not want to piss him off too much.
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Post by Nink on Jun 28, 2016 2:33:27 GMT
I know this is out of left field considering all the other stuff that is going on, but where is Ghost? Did something happen to him that I don't remember? I've been wondering why he hasn't been shown lately either, especially considering how much they did show him during Jon's death/come back to life scenes. Supposedly it's ridiculously expensive to CGI him in so maybe they are devoting those funds to the dragons now instead. You mean he's not real?
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 28, 2016 2:35:28 GMT
I know this is out of left field considering all the other stuff that is going on, but where is Ghost? Did something happen to him that I don't remember? No, nothing has happened to him. Last week he was left out of Battle of the Bastards because the budget would only allow for Ghost or Wun Wun - and the giant won out. (This was explained on the inside the episode reel.) This week, I don't know why he wasn't there.
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Post by scrappysurfer on Jun 28, 2016 17:42:06 GMT
I imagine that this week Ghost was left out because of dragons and wildfire. I'm sure he's safe, but it would have been cool to see him rip apart Ramsay's army. Although he would have been very vulnerable to the flying arrows.
Cersei had no claim to the throne. She has it now simply because she got there first. With the death of Tommen, the line of succession was gone. Robert had no other legitimate heirs. And Robert didn't have a legit claim either, he had the mad king and Prince Rhagar killed and his siblings (Viserion and Danerys) fled so the throne was literally up for grabs when he took it. Dany has the most legitimate claim to the throne, and we all know she's on her way to claim it. Jon may be the son of Rhaegar but he is still a bastard so his claim isn't legitimate. If he was legitimate, his claim would be stronger than Dany's.
Jamie even made the comment to Ned that when the mad king and Prince died, he could have simply sat on the throne and taken it instead of Robert.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2016 17:44:17 GMT
And actually Jamie and Ned had more claim to the throne, because they did the killing.
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Post by Katie on Jun 28, 2016 17:53:25 GMT
I just watched and the only question I have is, why is Cersei on the throne...because it seems like Jamie should be. Is it simply because she was the former king's mother?? That doesn't seem right!
I just LOVE that little girl who is head of House Mormont (Lyanna??). Dang I want to see her in every episode going forward, she's fantastic!
Littlefinger does not have any claim to the throne, so it baffles me that he is even bothering to dream of it. He really creeps me out.
God Bless Grandma Tyrell and her snippy comments to the brats in Dorn. That was awesome!! She and little Lyanna can fill up every episode and I'd be thrilled.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jun 28, 2016 17:55:13 GMT
It seems we have come full circle from a mad King to a mad queen. Jamie's reaction will be interesting to see.
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 28, 2016 18:16:51 GMT
I just watched and the only question I have is, why is Cersei on the throne...because it seems like Jamie should be. Is it simply because she was the former king's mother?? That doesn't seem right! I just LOVE that little girl who is head of House Mormont (Lyanna??). Dang I want to see her in every episode going forward, she's fantastic! Littlefinger does not have any claim to the throne, so it baffles me that he is even bothering to dream of it. He really creeps me out. God Bless Grandma Tyrell and her snippy comments to the brats in Dorn. That was awesome!! She and little Lyanna can fill up every episode and I'd be thrilled.
Jamie can't be because he is sworn King's Guard. Scratch that - it seems since Tommen ousted him he could be his heir apparent.There's an article I read that explains how Cersei can claim the throne.... I'll see if I can find it. EDIT: Here is a link to the article - Heir to the Iron Throne There is another article which states basically the same thing although much more simply. I'm still looking for it. SaveSave
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 28, 2016 21:30:09 GMT
I think that Jamie's going to have to take out Cersei. He became the "Kingslayer" for killing the mad king to prevent him from doing exactly what Cersei did. I'm really hoping that the death of Tommen wakes him up and he finally decides to be the good man Brienne has tried to convince him he can be.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jun 28, 2016 21:53:05 GMT
I just watched and the only question I have is, why is Cersei on the throne...because it seems like Jamie should be. Is it simply because she was the former king's mother?? That doesn't seem right! I just LOVE that little girl who is head of House Mormont (Lyanna??). Dang I want to see her in every episode going forward, she's fantastic! Littlefinger does not have any claim to the throne, so it baffles me that he is even bothering to dream of it. He really creeps me out. God Bless Grandma Tyrell and her snippy comments to the brats in Dorn. That was awesome!! She and little Lyanna can fill up every episode and I'd be thrilled.
Jamie can't be because he is sworn King's Guard. Scratch that - it seems since Tommen ousted him he could be his heir apparent.There's an article I read that explains how Cersei can claim the throne.... I'll see if I can find it. EDIT: Here is a link to the article - Heir to the Iron Throne There is another article which states basically the same thing although much more simply. I'm still looking for it. SaveSaveThanks for the link, that was an interesting article.
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Post by grammadee on Jun 28, 2016 23:04:38 GMT
I imagine that this week Ghost was left out because of dragons and wildfire. I'm sure he's safe, but it would have been cool to see him rip apart Ramsay's army. Although he would have been very vulnerable to the flying arrows. Cersei had no claim to the throne. She has it now simply because she got there first. With the death of Tommen, the line of succession was gone. Robert had no other legitimate heirs. And Robert didn't have a legit claim either, he had the mad king and Prince Rhagar killed and his siblings (Viserion and Danerys) fled so the throne was literally up for grabs when he took it. Dany has the most legitimate claim to the throne, and we all know she's on her way to claim it. Jon may be the son of Rhaegar but he is still a bastard so his claim isn't legitimate. If he was legitimate, his claim would be stronger than Dany's. Jamie even made the comment to Ned that when the mad king and Prince died, he could have simply sat on the throne and taken it instead of Robert. I think in the book one of Robert's beefs with Jamie was that when Robert & Ned came into the throne room, Jamie was sitting on the throne, even though the Lannisters had claimed to support Robert's claim to it. In the finale, it looked like Cersei was proclaimed queen by the small council (which is a lot smaller once Pycelle and her uncle and Margerie's dad were dead).
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Post by karen on Jun 28, 2016 23:16:01 GMT
I think that Jamie's going to have to take out Cersei. He became the "Kingslayer" for killing the mad king to prevent him from doing exactly what Cersei did. I'm really hoping that the death of Tommen wakes him up and he finally decides to be the good man Brienne has tried to convince him he can be. Yes! This exactly!
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Post by scrappysurfer on Jun 28, 2016 23:47:13 GMT
Rhondito that's a great article, thanks for sharing!! It's pretty neat to think that Cersei legitimately ascended to the throne after Tommen, speaks to an amazing writing talent, but I think for the sake of the show and the general audience, it's probably easier to think Cersei took the throne by coup.
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Post by peano on Jun 28, 2016 23:55:01 GMT
DD and I just finished watching. We got delayed a night. So many questions..like. Bran?? ok, she can't drag him all over the place. Can't it transform in to something else? Littlefinger, what claim does he have to the iron throne?? does he have any?? Sansi? does she like littlefinger? it almost looked like she gave in to him. and ick. What sort of man does she really like? gad...she's been thrown around by so many that who knows. Cersie, what claim does SHE have to the iron throne? because she was the widow? I'm sooo confused. ha. I wondered if she was more cautious in revealing her dislike of him to keep Jon and herself alive longer. She doesn't trust him and might not want to piss him off too much. I think Sansa's learned a lot from her relationships with Joffrey and Ramsey--namely that she's never going to be under the control of a man again. For this reason, besides the fact that Littlefinger is so sleazy, she would never have him, but knows how powerful and conniving he can be, and needs to tread carefully.
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Post by Katie on Jun 29, 2016 0:26:56 GMT
Rhondito that's a great article, thanks for sharing!! It's pretty neat to think that Cersei legitimately ascended to the throne after Tommen, speaks to an amazing writing talent, but I think for the sake of the show and the general audience, it's probably easier to think Cersei took the throne by coup. Yes, I agree because based on that article Rhondito shared, it SHOULD be Jamie on the throne, since Tommen removed him from the kingsguard. I knew it! I liked liking Cersei for a while there when she was being shamed and all that, but now I hate her all over again.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 29, 2016 0:55:17 GMT
So here is another thought. So WE know who Jon is. Does Bran? Did he hear anything? did he figure it out?
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Post by Sue on Jun 29, 2016 1:34:06 GMT
So here is another thought. So WE who Jon is. Does Bran? Did he hear anything? did he figure it out? And even if Bran does know what good does that do? Jon Snow doesn't know and neither does anyone else as far as we, the audience, have been shown. So what good does this knowledge do anybody? Could it ever be proven even if Bran told what he had seen?
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 29, 2016 1:58:41 GMT
And even if Bran does know what good does that do? Jon Snow doesn't know and neither does anyone else as far as we, the audience, have been shown. So what good does this knowledge do anybody? Could it ever be proven even if Bran told what he had seen? well, YEA!! it's GOTs and it's BRAN!! of course!
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jun 29, 2016 3:42:40 GMT
So here is another thought. So WE who Jon is. Does Bran? Did he hear anything? did he figure it out? And even if Bran does know what good does that do? Jon Snow doesn't know and neither does anyone else as far as we, the audience, have been shown. So what good does this knowledge do anybody? Could it ever be proven even if Bran told what he had seen? Howland Reed presumably A. is still alive and B. asked some questions when his friend Ned came out of the tower carrying a baby. There is even a theory I recently read online that Lyanna had twins, separated to keep them safer, and the other baby was raised by Howland Reed and is Meera. Sort of a "Star Wars" twist. Personally, I don't think so. So if Howland Reed was found and had reason to tell, I believe he is the only person alive who could corroborate Bran's vision.
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Post by LeaP on Jun 29, 2016 6:15:57 GMT
I think that Jamie's going to have to take out Cersei. He became the "Kingslayer" for killing the mad king to prevent him from doing exactly what Cersei did. I'm really hoping that the death of Tommen wakes him up and he finally decides to be the good man Brienne has tried to convince him he can be. Speaking of Brienne? Where is she and what will she be doing in season 7? SaveSave
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Post by cade387 on Jun 29, 2016 13:56:44 GMT
so should we all start at the beginning and watch/read them again? To hold us over until Nov (hopefully a new book) and April (hopefully season 7)....
What am I going to do? LOL
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Post by rainangel on Jun 29, 2016 14:29:18 GMT
Damn you George R. R. Martin. All these feels are making me insane.
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Post by LeaP on Jun 29, 2016 15:34:58 GMT
One more thought, there are no more married protagonists.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Jul 1, 2016 12:04:33 GMT
This confirmed a long held theory that Jon is the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan. Rhaegar had hidden her in the Tower of Joy, Robert and Ned thought she was kidnapped but they ran away together. Thus Jon is the true rightful heir to the Iron Throne. But Meera needs to get her ass in gear and get Bran to Winterfell pronto!! i don't think that the R+L=J theory has been confirmed at all. and even if R+L=J, that does not make Jon heir to anything. He would still be a bastard since Rhaegar was married to Elia at the time. Dany would be in line to the throne way before Jon ever stood a chance. I don't think R+L=J is true. There was zero evidence that that baby was Lyanna's, or even that it was Jon! Just because they cut away to Jon after they showed that baby? Means nothing. Could be misdirection. Lyanna looked to me like she was dying of fever, not childbirth. She never said the baby was hers. She whispered the name (which means there is more for us to learn). I've said this before but I think that baby is the son of Rhaegar and Elia. Lyanna helped them hide him in the Tower of Joy because his life was in danger during the war. Robert wanted all Targareans dead. The baby who was snatched from Elia and had his head bashed against a wall was an imposter. They switched the babies. I do think the baby grew up to be Jon. She whispered the name of the baby to Ned and Ned knew who the baby was (son of R+E) and knew that Robert could never find out. Jon would be the legitimate heir to the throne. The only thing I don't like about my theory is the eleven-millionty times the book mentioned that Jon looks like a Stark. But maybe the baby isn't Jon. I dunno. I just don't think R+L=J is true. It's too easy. Where is that damn nurse who was in the room? She knows everything.
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Post by jenis40 on Jul 1, 2016 13:01:28 GMT
This confirmed a long held theory that Jon is the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan. Rhaegar had hidden her in the Tower of Joy, Robert and Ned thought she was kidnapped but they ran away together. Thus Jon is the true rightful heir to the Iron Throne. But Meera needs to get her ass in gear and get Bran to Winterfell pronto!! i don't think that the R+L=J theory has been confirmed at all. and even if R+L=J, that does not make Jon heir to anything. He would still be a bastard since Rhaegar was married to Elia at the time. Dany would be in line to the throne way before Jon ever stood a chance. I don't think R+L=J is true. There was zero evidence that that baby was Lyanna's, or even that it was Jon! Just because they cut away to Jon after they showed that baby? Means nothing. Could be misdirection. Lyanna looked to me like she was dying of fever, not childbirth. She never said the baby was hers. She whispered the name (which means there is more for us to learn). I've said this before but I think that baby is the son of Rhaegar and Elia. Lyanna helped them hide him in the Tower of Joy because his life was in danger during the war. Robert wanted all Targareans dead. The baby who was snatched from Elia and had his head bashed against a wall was an imposter. They switched the babies. I do think the baby grew up to be Jon. She whispered the name of the baby to Ned and Ned knew who the baby was (son of R+E) and knew that Robert could never find out. Jon would be the legitimate heir to the throne. The only thing I don't like about my theory is the eleven-millionty times the book mentioned that Jon looks like a Stark. But maybe the baby isn't Jon. I dunno. I just don't think R+L=J is true. It's too easy. Where is that damn nurse who was in the room? She knows everything. The HBO blog www.makinggameofthrones.com/ has a post called Behind Ned's Promise that confirms R+L=J. Unless it's misdirection . . .
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Post by hollymolly on Jul 1, 2016 13:55:00 GMT
i don't think that the R+L=J theory has been confirmed at all. and even if R+L=J, that does not make Jon heir to anything. He would still be a bastard since Rhaegar was married to Elia at the time. Dany would be in line to the throne way before Jon ever stood a chance. I don't think R+L=J is true. There was zero evidence that that baby was Lyanna's, or even that it was Jon! Just because they cut away to Jon after they showed that baby? Means nothing. Could be misdirection. Lyanna looked to me like she was dying of fever, not childbirth. She never said the baby was hers. She whispered the name (which means there is more for us to learn). I've said this before but I think that baby is the son of Rhaegar and Elia. Lyanna helped them hide him in the Tower of Joy because his life was in danger during the war. Robert wanted all Targareans dead. The baby who was snatched from Elia and had his head bashed against a wall was an imposter. They switched the babies. I do think the baby grew up to be Jon. She whispered the name of the baby to Ned and Ned knew who the baby was (son of R+E) and knew that Robert could never find out. Jon would be the legitimate heir to the throne. The only thing I don't like about my theory is the eleven-millionty times the book mentioned that Jon looks like a Stark. But maybe the baby isn't Jon. I dunno. I just don't think R+L=J is true. It's too easy. Where is that damn nurse who was in the room? She knows everything. The HBO blog www.makinggameofthrones.com/ has a post called Behind Ned's Promise that confirms R+L=J. Unless it's misdirection . . . Yep, it's confirmed. Officially. R+L=J.
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Post by cade387 on Jul 1, 2016 13:55:56 GMT
There is also a graphic that shows the link between Jon and R+L so that would seem to be proven as well.
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Post by Nink on Jul 1, 2016 14:50:57 GMT
If she was dying of fever, then why was there all the blood like she'd just given birth?
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