Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 3:18:53 GMT
"Any person or entity authorized to post property pursuant to § 39-17-1359 who elects, pursuant to that authority, to prohibit the possession of firearms by a person authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, thereby assumes absolute custodial responsibility for the safety and defense of the permit holder while on the posted property and while on any property the permit holder is required to traverse in order to travel to and from the location where the permit holder's firearm is stored." link
I think that's fair, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 3:24:39 GMT
What part, specifically, is fair?
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 3:38:16 GMT
What part, specifically, is fair? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 3:46:02 GMT
Fair in what way, exactly?
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Post by elaine on Jul 1, 2016 3:47:48 GMT
I am glad that I don't live in Tennessee.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 3:53:55 GMT
Fair in what way, exactly? |
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LeaP
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Post by LeaP on Jul 1, 2016 3:54:02 GMT
I think that people that have such anxiety that they need a law like that one are suffering from something akin to agoraphobia. They should have all their groceries delivered and call it a day.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 3:56:43 GMT
I think that people that have such anxiety that they need a law like that one are suffering from something akin to agoraphobia. They should have all their groceries delivered and call it a day. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 1, 2016 3:58:13 GMT
I think it is stupid as hell.
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Post by elaine on Jul 1, 2016 3:59:46 GMT
I think it is stupid as hell.  Too. |
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 4:01:27 GMT
I think it is stupid as hell. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 1, 2016 4:03:56 GMT
I think it is stupid as hell. Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. |
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 4:05:32 GMT
In essence it is saying that if you don't want me to protect myself in your business, then you should protect me. To demand that patrons be defenseless is not acceptable, that's why this act is going to be in place. I think this act is more than fair.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 4:09:54 GMT
Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 4:10:57 GMT
Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. Is the law assigning blame for the shooter, or blame for demanding you be unarmed during an active shooter situation? |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 1, 2016 4:14:09 GMT
No.
We have the right to arms. We have the right to be free of arms in our own privately owned business.
You don't like my business choices. Don't shop there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 1, 2016 4:15:37 GMT
Stupid, badly written bill.
So if a licensed carry forgets his weapon, and something happens,he could essentially make a claim against the person or entity.
Stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 4:16:57 GMT
I don't think that this bill will stand up to legal challenges.
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Post by elaine on Jul 1, 2016 4:44:38 GMT
I thought that guns didn't kill people, but people killed people. So how could the responsibility be shifted from anyone but the killer him or herself regardless of the weapon he or she used? Unless you think that guns actually do kill people. And then well...
ETA: the establishment owners are not prohibiting anyone from defending themselves in a situation, just from using guns in their private businesses. There are many ways to defend yourself in a situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 4:45:34 GMT
And the legislators who wrote and voted for this bill should be held financially responsible for all the legal costs incurred in getting it struck down.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 1, 2016 4:51:10 GMT
Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. Is the law assigning blame for the shooter, or blame for demanding you be unarmed during an active shooter situation? assigning blame for whatever happens. It is no one's fault but the person committing the crime. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 1, 2016 4:52:00 GMT
In essence it is saying that if you don't want me to protect myself in your business, then you should protect me. To demand that patrons be defenseless is not acceptable, that's why this act is going to be in place. I think this act is more than fair. you can choose not to go there. You are making a choice to go, you are responsible for that action of going. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 1, 2016 4:52:47 GMT
Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. nope, you take responsibility for your actions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 4:56:08 GMT
No. We have the right to arms. We have the right to be free of arms in our own privately owned business. You don't like my business choices. Don't shop there. Sounds very familiar.  |
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Jul 1, 2016 5:01:44 GMT
Because it is assinine to assign guilt and/or responsibility to an entity like that. You don't want all gun owners to be assigned guilt or responsibility due to someone using a gun illegally. Why should an enstablishment have responsibility in someone using a gun illegally? I don't think you can have it both ways. The establishment is not responsible for what is an illegal act. The person who committed the act is responsible. ^^That. |
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Post by MsKnit on Jul 1, 2016 5:11:10 GMT
Paranoia is a mental disorder...just saying.
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Post by LeaP on Jul 1, 2016 5:13:36 GMT
I think that people that have such anxiety that they need a law like that one are suffering from something akin to agoraphobia. They should have all their groceries delivered and call it a day. I have lived in big cities all my life. Life is too short to cower. I've been through New York City's near bankruptcy, 2000+ annual murders, Miami and Washington, D.C. at similar times and now I live in Los Angeles. Both of my brothers and my father lived in Manhattan on 9/11. Things CAN happen anywhere, but in REALITY they don't. Being armed to the teeth and legislating custodial responsibility can only go so far. If you feel unsafe in a gun free business then lobby your shooting range to carry groceries and lattes while I risk going unarmed to Starbucks in my 'hood. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by JBeans on Jul 1, 2016 5:29:04 GMT
It's a great feeling that we can have our guns if we choose to have them but we don't feel this nagging fear that we'd have to worry about bringing a gun everywhere for protection, nor do we have to make laws that makes establishments carry fire Arms to defend us.
It's a freeing feeling.
I really have a hard time wrapping my head around such fear that many Americans such as Rainbow feel.
And yes, it's a culture based in fear or you'd be wandering about without a concealed firearm.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 11:40:17 GMT
Is the law assigning blame for the shooter, or blame for demanding you be unarmed during an active shooter situation? assigning blame for whatever happens. It is no one's fault but the person committing the crime. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 1, 2016 11:41:48 GMT
I thought that guns didn't kill people, but people killed people. So how could the responsibility be shifted from anyone but the killer him or herself regardless of the weapon he or she used? Unless you think that guns actually do kill people. And then well... ETA: the establishment owners are not prohibiting anyone from defending themselves in a situation, just from using guns in their private businesses. There are many ways to defend yourself in a situation. |
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