eleezybeth
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 4, 2016 18:13:40 GMT
Consider yourself validated! It would absolutely suck to have a deal and even though 4 managers have gone thru, they have also validated that agreement. I don't care what industry you work in, having your schedule change can disrupt life. Nobody enjoys that!!
I would also find her comment offensive. She is not giving you any favors, she is keeping the deal that somebody gave you. In your industry you have an excellent arrangement. It isn't normal. It is lucky. But none of that is your fault. Your company agreed.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 4, 2016 18:14:39 GMT
What size of an establishment is this?
If it were a 10-man crew and all knew each other well, I would be pretty disappointed and feel it was a personal slight.
If it were a 100-man crew and employees were just a name on a list, I would still be disappointed but not take it personally. |
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RedSquirrelUK
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jul 4, 2016 20:17:30 GMT
The thing to also consider is that OP is not technically unavailable, she just expects her preferred schedule. We all have a preferred schedule, but I certainly don't work mine! Interesting choice of word there. How would you define "unavailable"? |
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RedSquirrelUK
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jul 4, 2016 20:26:07 GMT
What size of an establishment is this?
If it were a 10-man crew and all knew each other well, I would be pretty disappointed and feel it was a personal slight.
If it were a 100-man crew and employees were just a name on a list, I would still be disappointed but not take it personally. There are about 22 people working at our branch. There are several different contracts: 10, 15, 20 hours, full time. There are lots of different personal conditions: university students with lecture times, people working around kids' school hours, people working other jobs, people with mental and physical health problems that need accommodating. I would hate to be the manager working out the rota, I really would. I have a lot of sympathy with that, which is why I try to accommodate wherever I can. There's a fairly high turnover of staff with a solid core, and we have a strong team on the whole. |
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Post by its me mg on Jul 4, 2016 20:44:32 GMT
She *could* work on Saturdays .... she prefers not to. Retails + restaurants = weekends/holidays. Family time is amazing, but not really a reason to block your availability. There's nothing preventing her from working except her own preferences.
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Post by jenjie on Jul 4, 2016 20:53:26 GMT
What was agreed to at your interview was 2 years ago. They've moved your cheese, which is normal. Changes such as you have had occur regularly and it's unreasonable for you to expect to be excluded. I don't disagree with the idea of them changing her hours. But I do think they should let her know that her old schedule is no longer working for them and what changes should be expected. Right now it seems like OP is in limbo. |
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Jul 4, 2016 21:57:23 GMT
I don't think it is realistic for you to think it is the role of an employer to accommodate your work schedule preference. They did so for a long time WHEN it was a certain manager and WHEN another employee worked there who balanced your preference.
That situation no longer exists and printing out a copy of an email from years back doesn't obligate the current management team. It is not a contract. Accept it or move on.
ETA: Years ago, I did the scheduling for retail and keeping track of everyone's "preferences" for hours and days of the week was a nightmare. At times, you would have the right mix of schedule "preferences" and the schedule worked out fine, but almost every other week, someone wanted a certain day or weekend off, and then you had to pull in someone in "violation of their preference". This resulted in endless phone calls by me and leaving messages and trying over and over and over again to reach people (this was pre-cell phone and texting days).
We got a new manager in and he said "ENOUGH". He met with all of the staff and said no more accommodating schedule preferences as of a certain date. This is retail and we are open mornings, afternoons, evenings, weekdays, weekends, and most major holidays. In addition, there was inventory time after the store closed periodically and of course, Black Friday.
I have to say that it made scheduling much easier, I did try to accommodate preferences, but if a shift was uncovered, then I moved the appropriate people to that shift. If they didn't like it, then they could find someone to either pick up the shift for them or complete a shift switch. That put the onus on that employee to make arrangements to accommodate their schedule preferences, and not me.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 4, 2016 22:10:53 GMT
She *could* work on Saturdays .... she prefers not to. Retails + restaurants = weekends/holidays. Family time is amazing, but not really a reason to block your availability. There's nothing preventing her from working except her own preferences. What really sucks though is that so many workplaces have that attitude. A friend of mine has a full time job M-F, regular daytime hours. She NEEDS a second job to make some extra money but can't find one because everyone is only wanting PT flexible employees and they want to be able to schedule any time, on any day which makes it close to impossible even for people who only *want* nights and weekends to get those hours even though they suck. Most people I know don't like being scheduled all over the board without any kind of regularity (especially those with little to no notice as to when their days and hours will change), and those with other standing obligations in particular find it to be an even bigger challenge. I think if employers were willing to be a little more accommodating with their employees, they would find all kinds of workers lined up wanting those jobs and turnover wouldn't be as horrible as it is. ETA: Back in the olden times when I was young, the full time people worked mostly days and high school and college kids worked part time nights and weekends to fill in the gaps. These days it seems like most companies don't want to hire any full time employees at all if they can help it because they don't want to have to give anybody benefits. Then they try to patchwork together a schedule of all part timers and they wonder why the turnover is so high.  |
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 4, 2016 22:58:25 GMT
What size of an establishment is this?
If it were a 10-man crew and all knew each other well, I would be pretty disappointed and feel it was a personal slight.
If it were a 100-man crew and employees were just a name on a list, I would still be disappointed but not take it personally. There are about 22 people working at our branch. There are several different contracts: 10, 15, 20 hours, full time. There are lots of different personal conditions: university students with lecture times, people working around kids' school hours, people working other jobs, people with mental and physical health problems that need accommodating. I would hate to be the manager working out the rota, I really would. I have a lot of sympathy with that, which is why I try to accommodate wherever I can. There's a fairly high turnover of staff with a solid core, and we have a strong team on the whole. That does sound like a nightmare to schedule, and honestly if they have that small of staff and that many employees with "special circumstances", I wouldn't be too put-out over a couple of over-sights. Sure it stinks, but sometimes life does. Maybe see if you can find another employee to cover for the out of town trip and then visit with the scheduler after the wedding.
ETA: Pointing out that I DO think the scheduler should have confirmed with the o/p before finalizing the schedule, but I can certainly see where it might have gotten lost in the shuffle.
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