Loydene
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Post by Loydene on Jul 21, 2016 20:32:44 GMT
Since the OP on that thread probably won't agree that my post is "nice", I've stayed off there with my comment
"Back the Blue", to me, is like "Black Lives Matter".
You know what .... ALL lives matter ... I fully support honorable, hard working, honest, law abiding Officers of the Law -- all of them.
That I support them doesn't mean that I am blind to the obvious flaws in the wrongful conduct of the few ... the few who make all LEOs a target, the few who give all LEOs a bad "rep", the few who the other threads are talking about.
I can Back the Blue and still be outraged by the conduct of a few. And all those honorable, hard working, honest, law abiding Officers should be as outraged ... should be MORE outraged since they are charged with upholding the law ... should be more outraged since it is THEIR honesty and reputation on the line.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2016 20:37:14 GMT
So I think the differnce is that businesses, restaurants, and others aren't refusing to serve black people. They aren't putting glass in their food or verbally attacking them. They aren't calling for war on black lives matter like they are policemen.
I can be outraged by the shootings and still back the blue.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 21, 2016 20:43:46 GMT
For me, supporting law enforcement doesn't mean I accept or ignore there are bad cops. It also means I don't teach my children to hate law enforcement.
I have a cousin that hates law enforcement. He posts his hate on Facebook. He's also been jailed and used to do drugs. He does not back law enforcement.
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 21, 2016 20:48:34 GMT
Oh, there's a key difference between the two.
Back the blue is about supporting public servants as they do their job. Black Lives Matter is about hate.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 21, 2016 21:04:09 GMT
Black Lives Matter is about hate. I think some people bastardized it into this, but I don't think at its fundamental core, this was the point. I think it came about after decades of being ignored... white girl, from good family, goes missing and it is national news for weeks black girl, poorer family, goes missing and it makes the local news for a night or two That type of thing. I personally think some of the police shootings could be/were justified. Others, to me, are clearly not. I can see wanting to make that a national issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 21:14:18 GMT
I'm sorry...What?
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 21, 2016 21:15:21 GMT
Black Lives Matter is about hate. I think some people bastardized it into this, but I don't think at its fundamental core, this was the point. I think it came about after decades of being ignored... white girl, from good family, goes missing and it is national news for weeks black girl, poorer family, goes missing and it makes the local news for a night or two That type of thing. I personally think some of the police shootings could be/were justified. Others, to me, are clearly not. I can see wanting to make that a national issue. Yes, I can see that was the original intent. For about a week. Then it morphed into ugly b
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 21, 2016 21:22:23 GMT
I personally think some of the police shootings could be/were justified. Others, to me, are clearly not. I can see wanting to make that a national issue. ' This where I'm at as well. After the video tape of the shooting of the therapist in Florida, I cannot make sense of why that is okay. I also have a BIL who is a cop. A few months ago, there was a house fire in his town. He was one of the first on scene. It was a family of hoarders and they couldn't get out the 2 people inside. My experience with police and knowing some personally has been overwhelmingly positive...but I'm not black. I prefer to look at *each* situation on its own and not assume the worst. I cannot fully understand what it is like to be a black person, but I absolutely believe it is more difficult. I'm not sure if any of that made sense. Other than I understand why there is a movement for both.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 1:32:15 GMT
So I think the differnce is that businesses, restaurants, and others aren't refusing to serve black people. They aren't putting glass in their food or verbally attacking them. They aren't calling for war on black lives matter like they are policemen. I can be outraged by the shootings and still back the blue. Hi, I think this about sums it up for me. Thank you. For the OP Just because you don't see LEO rioting and protesting, do not for a moment think they condone those in LEO who dishonor the badge. Most LEO's work at the pleasure, meaning they can be fired for any reason...no union, no recourse. So the LEO 's in our department teach de-escaltion, verbal judo, ongoing training, disscussion on what went wrong and how to address it, go into the community, meet with community groups, make contacts and stay committed to the community and it's citzens that they serve and protect. Back the blue is a grassroots movement for the only purpose to show support to those that serve and protect.
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Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 22, 2016 1:39:30 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 22, 2016 1:42:53 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. I am very sorry you feel this way. You are right, I can never truly get it because I am not black. I wishwish there were words/actions that could bridge the gap. I'm not sure there is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 1:46:18 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. Hi You are 1000% right my husband along with 1000's of other Chose the job to be a LEO. If they didn't who would? Who would pull over the drunk driver, or arrest the man beating his wife and kids, the rapist, the drug dealer, the robber, the pedophile, break up bar fights and a million other things that most don't even know go on. I'm sorry that we can't walk in your shoes, we can have empthany for others without being in their "shoes or skin" it's part of being a human being. I will never know what it's like to be a person of color but you will never know what it is to be hated for putting on a UNIFORM. I can have empthany for others without experiencing their personal situation.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 22, 2016 1:46:24 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. I am very sorry you feel this way. You are right, I can never truly get it because I am not black. I wishwish there were words/actions that could bridge the gap. I'm not sure there is. I wish there was too, but I appreciate that you at least try to see both sides.
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 22, 2016 1:56:59 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. Hi You are 1000% right my husband along with 1000's of other Chose the job to be a LEO. If they didn't who would? Who would pull over the drunk driver, or arrest the man beating his wife and kids, the rapist, the drug dealer, the robber, the pedophile, break up bar fights and a million other things that most don't even know go on. I'm sorry that we can't walk in your shoes, we can have empthany for others without being in their "shoes or skin" it's part of being a human being. I will never know what it's like to be a person of color but you will never know what it is to be hated for putting on a UNIFORM. I can have empthany for others without experiencing their personal situation. You know, the OP respected your thread and stayed off of it. How about you reciprocate and stay off hers since you are so obviously "blue" blind.
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 22, 2016 1:59:39 GMT
LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 2:30:17 GMT
Dani-Mani I almost deleted my post right after I posted it but wasn't sure how that would play. I shouldn't have asked. I absolutely hate that you feel the way you do and would be very sad if you left this community. I'm really sorry. Hugs.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 22, 2016 2:31:23 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. I'm sorry. This should be a place to come for support not to be hurt and I do see the hurtful words. I appreciate your input on the board and hope you reconsider. SaveSave
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Post by Zee on Jul 22, 2016 2:37:49 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. Hi You are 1000% right my husband along with 1000's of other Chose the job to be a LEO. If they didn't who would? Who would pull over the drunk driver, or arrest the man beating his wife and kids, the rapist, the drug dealer, the robber, the pedophile, break up bar fights and a million other things that most don't even know go on. I'm sorry that we can't walk in your shoes, we can have empthany for others without being in their "shoes or skin" it's part of being a human being. I will never know what it's like to be a person of color but you will never know what it is to be hated for putting on a UNIFORM. I can have empthany for others without experiencing their personal situation. Who would? Hundreds of bullies and assholes who enjoy the power trip, that's who. Hundreds who were bullied and now enjoy being the one in power. Racist assholes and raging egomaniacs. Your DH may truly be a great guy, and I know there are so many good, decent men and women in LEO...But I have to tell you, I haven't met a lot of them. My personal experiences have tended to be overwhelmingly negative (not just my own experience, but that of family, etc) so I guess I'm coming at it from a completely different perspective than you are. I think you might not understand how awful a lot of power in the hands of a "little man" with an ego can be. Just last year my daughter was pulled over, ordered out of the car, the entire contents of her car tossed about during a fruitless search for drugs, she was detained and insulted all on the pretext of some driving infraction. And that's just the most recent instance I can pull up for you. I guess he didn't like the type of car, it "looked like" there would be drugs, I don't know. She was pulled over multiple times in that car in the same area, never actually charged with anything. I bought her a more mom-looking car and she hasn't been hassled since. Profiling, of an innocent Mitsubishi Eclipse, I guess. And I kept all this off your thread because I know, again, that there are very decent and honorable people who wear the badge. But since you asked...I answered.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 22, 2016 2:47:07 GMT
I personally think some of the police shootings could be/were justified. Others, to me, are clearly not. I can see wanting to make that a national issue. ' This where I'm at as well. After the video tape of the shooting of the therapist in Florida, I cannot make sense of why that is okay. I also have a BIL who is a cop. A few months ago, there was a house fire in his town. He was one of the first on scene. It was a family of hoarders and they couldn't get out the 2 people inside. My experience with police and knowing some personally has been overwhelmingly positive...but I'm not black. I prefer to look at *each* situation on its own and not assume the worst. I cannot fully understand what it is like to be a black person, but I absolutely believe it is more difficult. I'm not sure if any of that made sense. Other than I understand why there is a movement for both. I've missed that anybody has said this or many of the other shootings are ok. If there is one person here or there saying it's ok, why is that being used as global we saying it's ok. It's not ok and person after person has said it's not ok, it's unjustified and this cop was wrong.
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ComplicatedLady
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jul 22, 2016 5:50:39 GMT
I can Back the Blue and still be outraged by the conduct of a few. And all those honorable, hard working, honest, law abiding Officers should be as outraged ... should be MORE outraged since they are charged with upholding the law ... should be more outraged since it is THEIR honesty and reputation on the line. This is one of the things I really don't understand. The good cops should be LIVID that these asshole cops are putting everyone in danger. You'd think they would want to weed out the racist jackholes, but instead all we see is circling of the wagons. I get it. There's a whole brotherhood of law enforcement. However, when someone is that out of line, you don't protect them. Wrong is wrong no matter who did it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 9:08:16 GMT
Hi You are 1000% right my husband along with 1000's of other Chose the job to be a LEO. If they didn't who would? Who would pull over the drunk driver, or arrest the man beating his wife and kids, the rapist, the drug dealer, the robber, the pedophile, break up bar fights and a million other things that most don't even know go on. I'm sorry that we can't walk in your shoes, we can have empthany for others without being in their "shoes or skin" it's part of being a human being. I will never know what it's like to be a person of color but you will never know what it is to be hated for putting on a UNIFORM. I can have empthany for others without experiencing their personal situation. You know, the OP respected your thread and stayed off of it. How about you reciprocate and stay off hers since you are so obviously "blue" blind. Morning, Because she called me out. I don't find my response rude. I explained my stance but I guess if you want to find negative in everything you will. You see it as "blue blind", I, as many see it as support for those that CHOOSE to serve and protect with honor. Enjoy your day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 9:09:56 GMT
LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. Like I've stated if they don't choose their job who will? Who will resond....be grateful that there are many that serve and protect with honor. They are disgusted and many are outraged...they take their oath serious. They work on change from the inside out. Just because you don't see ranting, raving, marching or rioting does not mean they are supporting the bad apples. They work on change and improvement in their department. They choose to teach, they choose to train, they choose to engane, they choose to involve and explore new ways...to work with their community. Being an adult is a way to find to inspire change without chaos.
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Post by mzza111 on Jul 22, 2016 9:30:54 GMT
You know, the OP respected your thread and stayed off of it. How about you reciprocate and stay off hers since you are so obviously "blue" blind. Morning, Because she called me out. I don't find my response rude. I explained my stance but I guess if you want to find negative in everything you will. Wow just wow. You are unfucking believable!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 10:25:05 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. Hi You are 1000% right my husband along with 1000's of other Chose the job to be a LEO. If they didn't who would? Who would pull over the drunk driver, or arrest the man beating his wife and kids, the rapist, the drug dealer, the robber, the pedophile, break up bar fights and a million other things that most don't even know go on. I'm sorry that we can't walk in your shoes, we can have empthany for others without being in their "shoes or skin" it's part of being a human being. I will never know what it's like to be a person of color but you will never know what it is to be hated for putting on a UNIFORM. I can have empthany for others without experiencing their personal situation. Wow! I totally respect those who wear the LEO uniform proudly. But don't even think you can know what a black person or other race goes through every single day. Your LEO husband can take off his uniform. He may be hated while in uniform, but then he can take it off and go out in public and be treated as a person. A black person cannot take off their skin. There is no "break" from being black. Every single time they go out, they are being profiled, watched, treated as lesser than.
I get that you are scared for your husband, but don't come in here and try to make it about you and them. There is NO comparison! When your husband comes home and takes off his uniform, you get to relax. He's safe for another day. Black people don't get to relax. EVER. They are on guard every single time they go outside their home.
You took her pain and tried to make it about you. Don't. Just don't.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Jul 22, 2016 11:37:20 GMT
So I think the differnce is that businesses, restaurants, and others aren't refusing to serve black people. They aren't putting glass in their food or verbally attacking them. They aren't calling for war on black lives matter like they are policemen. I can be outraged by the shootings and still back the blue. I have never heard of businesses refusing to serve LEO. That must be a local thing. Personally I believe any chain that did it would suffer such a backlash and lose so many customers that they would quickly regret it.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Jul 22, 2016 11:38:20 GMT
Oh, there's a key difference between the two. Back the blue is about supporting public servants as they do their job. Black Lives Matter is about hate. I agree but isn't all racism based on hatred? ETA I obviously misunderstood the post I quoted, I read this as the hatred being that of white people, not as the BLM being a hate group. I am leaving the post up because I hate it when someone deletes their post and later gets called out for it. My mistake.
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Post by tincin on Jul 22, 2016 11:44:32 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. I think all racism is based in hate. If white people didn't hate people of color there would be no need for an organization like BLM. I think it's a wonderful movement and we've need something like this in our country forever. It's ridiculous that in the 21st century we still judge people based on the color of their skin. I'm sorry people here have made you feel unwanted and unliked, please don't let them run you off. I wish we had even more diversity on this board. I enjoy your posts and opinions. Please don't let them win by pushing you out. Not everyone here is a bigoted racist.
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Post by tincin on Jul 22, 2016 11:49:59 GMT
Like I've stated if they don't choose their job who will? Who will resond....be grateful that there are many that serve and protect with honor. They are disgusted and many are outraged...they take their oath serious. They work on change from the inside out. Just because you don't see ranting, raving, marching or rioting does not mean they are supporting the bad apples. They work on change and improvement in their department. They choose to teach, they choose to train, they choose to engane, they choose to involve and explore new ways...to work with their community. Being an adult is a way to find to inspire change without chaos. Silence by "the blue" is implied agreement with the actions of cops who murder.
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Post by mari on Jul 22, 2016 11:58:48 GMT
Don't bother. People are going to see what they want. as a person of color who has been on this board since 2001, I think I'm about to take a permanent break. I've never felt so unwelcome here in my life. Some of the comments made recently are just disgusting and they hurt. LEO chose their jobs. We didn't choose our color. I wish some of you could live just a few hours in my shoes to truly get a understanding that things are so so so very different in this world when you are a person of color. But since you cant, theres just no way to truly get it. I agree 100%. Those types of hateful comments (and the hateful 'likes') along with the silent agreement makes me feel unwelcome here. It's not controversial or a "hate movement" to say that my life matters.
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Post by mari on Jul 22, 2016 12:11:57 GMT
So I think the differnce is that businesses, restaurants, and others aren't refusing to serve black people. They aren't putting glass in their food or verbally attacking them. They aren't calling for war on black lives matter like they are policemen. I can be outraged by the shootings and still back the blue. Not sure who "they" are, but I've personally been verbally attacked just for existing. 1) I was volunteering, greeting guests/collecting donations for an event. We were instructed to ask people who came into the event if they would like to make a donation (there was a 'suggested donation' to enter). A women took issue with my presence and began yelling "Don't talk to me, Nigger". I did not respond to her, so she picked up my full, metal water bottle and threw it at me, striking my leg. I still have the bruise and I had to throw away my favorite bottle. The bright spot was that every person who heard her appeared to be appalled. I had an armed officer at my post (because of the donation money) and my amazing (white, female) officer chased her down and made it clear that she was unwelcome. I still had to finish the rest of my shift with an aching leg. I just turned around when I couldn't blink fast enough to keep the tears from leaking out. I don't feel like typing up the other incident, but it basically involved "accidentally overhearing" the staff say that black people were unwelcome to shop in a particular store. I left.
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