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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 26, 2016 20:30:55 GMT
Er, there hasn't been another woman who has risen to THIS level of politics. Sad, but true. So, she's blazing a trail here. And I don't give a flying fuck WHAT she wears while she does it, though she has been taking this crap for 25 years now. Gracefully, I might add. You're missing my point. Men take it too. Yes she's had more of it, but getting angry and making it a cause doesn't make it go away. I think she's accepted it and decided to thumb her nose at it. She knows a discussion about it doesn't mean her policies aren't being examined. Any publicity is good publicity sort of way. If you want to get angry, be mad her good ideas haven't been adopted. Don't chew someone out for being interested in a beaded jacket if that's what catches their attention. I disagree.. I think she wears what she thinks looks good, probably what makes her feel good. I personally don't think she looks bad..sometimes I don't like what she chooses or is chosen for her. But I think she makes an effort.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 26, 2016 20:46:00 GMT
but it is okay to discuss trumps hair, the fact that he looks like grumpy cat, and a bunch of his other flaws? Um, I have discussed no such things. And the fact that people call him a deranged cheetoh or megalomaniacal Oompa Loompa does not erase the fact that women, in general, are held to a completely different appearance standard that influences people's perception of their ability to do a job in a way that does not apply to men. In this very thread there are people who ask "I'm waiting to hear her plans" when her plans are, in fact, outlined all over the place and anyone who wants to can go read them. Instead the discussion is about her stubby legs, her pantsuits, how much they cost, her hairstyle, her headbands back in the 90's, all kinds of shit other than her qualifications and policy proposals. "She's frumpy" "Her look is outdated." blah blah blah. JFC. Talk about embracing the patriarchy. I'm so fucking done with that shit. SO. DONE. Okay, but can I still talk about orange glow?
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 21:00:28 GMT
Um, I have discussed no such things. And the fact that people call him a deranged cheetoh or megalomaniacal Oompa Loompa does not erase the fact that women, in general, are held to a completely different appearance standard that influences people's perception of their ability to do a job in a way that does not apply to men. In this very thread there are people who ask "I'm waiting to hear her plans" when her plans are, in fact, outlined all over the place and anyone who wants to can go read them. Instead the discussion is about her stubby legs, her pantsuits, how much they cost, her hairstyle, her headbands back in the 90's, all kinds of shit other than her qualifications and policy proposals. "She's frumpy" "Her look is outdated." blah blah blah. JFC. Talk about embracing the patriarchy. I'm so fucking done with that shit. SO. DONE. Okay, but can I still talk about orange glow? In my world, yes. I think it is not only appropriate, it should be encouraged.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 26, 2016 21:15:53 GMT
Um, I have discussed no such things. And the fact that people call him a deranged cheetoh or megalomaniacal Oompa Loompa does not erase the fact that women, in general, are held to a completely different appearance standard that influences people's perception of their ability to do a job in a way that does not apply to men.Amen. So very true! However.....most of the people here seem to be in actuality HRC fans who believe she can do the job. So.....is the issue that women just aren't supportive enough of fellow women? Why do we do that to each other? (And I'm on occasion as guilty as the rest.) Or is it some women are interested in clothes and fashion, and want to talk about it, no matter who's wearing it?talking about her clothes doesn't indicate supportnornlacknof it. The candidate in question has been consistent in most policies and plans for decades.
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Post by mrst on Jul 26, 2016 21:26:53 GMT
Sorry but as a Brit I'm obliged to snigger every time I read pant suit!!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 21:27:33 GMT
I imagine that she wears what is comfortable and appropriate for traveling quickly from one appointment to another. I personally am more concerned with her ideas and plans for the future than what she wears. Neither she nor Mr. Trump are fashion icons and neither should be judged on something so frivolous. Sigh. I agree with you, Judy26. The woman spends time on her hair and her makeup. She doesn't come out onstage wearing t shirts and sneakers. All appropriate areas are covered. I'm good with what she wears.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 21:29:46 GMT
Sorry but as a Brit I'm obliged to snigger every time I read pant suit!! I'd use the word snigger, but I am afraid someone would see or hear the s on the word, but damn do I love some of the Brits' words.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2016 21:51:32 GMT
Personally I think it's odd she's floundered so much style-wise over the years since she's had advisors. In 1991-92 I thought she wasn't paying attention. 25 years later it feels a little like she's putting on an act or something is off. Other women in politics have accepted this as part of the job requirement. Men too as far back as JFK and television coverage. Er, there hasn't been another woman who has risen to THIS level of politics. Sad, but true. So, she's blazing a trail here. And I don't give a flying fuck WHAT she wears while she does it, though she has been taking this crap for 25 years now. Gracefully, I might add. Yes she certainly has dealt with things like this very gracefully. I certainly don't dress any better. I hide myself too. Wear flappy comfortable stuff. I have no idea why people ever gave her crap for the pants suits. She looked nice in them, wore them well. There was on FB a 'Hillary style thru the years montage' and I just thought that the more defined separates looked so much better on her. But nothing she's worn has looked bad or embarrassing.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2016 21:53:43 GMT
Um, I have discussed no such things. And the fact that people call him a deranged cheetoh or megalomaniacal Oompa Loompa does not erase the fact that women, in general, are held to a completely different appearance standard that influences people's perception of their ability to do a job in a way that does not apply to men. In this very thread there are people who ask "I'm waiting to hear her plans" when her plans are, in fact, outlined all over the place and anyone who wants to can go read them. Instead the discussion is about her stubby legs, her pantsuits, how much they cost, her hairstyle, her headbands back in the 90's, all kinds of shit other than her qualifications and policy proposals. "She's frumpy" "Her look is outdated." blah blah blah. JFC. Talk about embracing the patriarchy. I'm so fucking done with that shit. SO. DONE. Okay, but can I still talk about orange glow? I wonder does the sky glow around him like from the orange tinted street lights? Light pollution at night almost always look orangy
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2016 21:56:30 GMT
Sorry but as a Brit I'm obliged to snigger every time I read pant suit!! I'd use the word snigger, but I am afraid someone would see or hear the s on the word, but damn do I love some of the Brits' words. I've always heard snicker ( not the candy ) or snickering. I've only heard snigger down south.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 26, 2016 22:00:57 GMT
Not wanting to be gender biased or politically incorrect, I am incurably curious. Where does she get her pants suits? Do they really cost $12,000? How many does she have? Do we know anyone who dresses like her? I'm all for having a woman president, but would be more fun if her wardrobe was a little more interesting. I agree that her wardrobe is dull. I have no idea how much she pays for each one, but I'm sure she can afford it. I don't think comparing them to a man's suit is fair because that is what male politicians usually wear. Women have more choices when it comes to clothes. It would be nice if she mixed it up a bit.^^^ just curious, but why do you think this? Did people think the same thing about Donald Trump's outfits / suits?? "gee, a suit and tie AGAIN?!? how dull; it would be nice if he mixed it up a bit..." I get that women politicians can dress in skirted suits or dresses, but why should they have to?? I'm not even going to comment on the cost debate... ETA: "I miss watching What Not To Wear and learning all about fit and tailoring. " <--- me, too, gmcwife1
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Post by georgiapea on Jul 26, 2016 22:03:59 GMT
Doesn't she travel by plane? One that parks out on the tarmac and she has to walk down the steps? Who in politics wants their skirts billowing up? Plus she would be photographed at the top of the steps by photographers below her on the ground. Dignity is important. Pants suits are comfortable.
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Post by peano on Jul 26, 2016 22:06:05 GMT
People have pretty much expressed my feelings about Hillary's wardrobe, but she also needs to be mindful of how things look on camera, so that lovely floral dress that one might wear to a country club luncheon will not photograph well, will read as frivolous and will not signify that she is there to work--not be an ornament for other people's pleasure, and will distract from her message.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2016 22:10:04 GMT
I really like in the teal that Hillary was in when she was with Kain in Florida ,Teal is a good color for her. I don't like the oversized coats. It makes her look really outdated. I really liked Michelle Obamas dress last night she did a good job and looked really great in the blue.I even liked Ivanka's dress. I don't know how I feel about her. I think she's callin more shots than we know. I'm not a fan of either but I think you can comment on them with out getting super personal. Even my Dh said last night that if Trump need to tone his hair color down if he's gonna move on and up.. I kinda laughed it was kinda funny hearing it come from a guy! Honestly I'd much rather Ivanka or Donald jr to be the candidate they are so much more well spoken than their father. Leaps and bounds. In fact I actually know what they are saying. ( Ivanka is not old enough ) I hate sifting thru all the hyperbole whe Trump speaks. ' I'm going to have the best campaign, better than you can imagine. You won't belive how much better it is. Etc'. He did better at the convention but I assume someone wrote that for him. Most of the time he drives me batty with all the empty words.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 26, 2016 22:12:40 GMT
I'd use the word snigger, but I am afraid someone would see or hear the s on the word, but damn do I love some of the Brits' words. I've always heard snicker ( not the candy ) or snickering. I've only heard snigger down south. Snigger is British, and, of all the U.S. variations, Southern English is linguistically closest to British English. So that might explain that.
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Post by annabella on Jul 26, 2016 22:12:42 GMT
Hillary has cankles and hips and thighs and dresses really flattering for her shape. Much better than she did her last Presidential run. She has a different cut for her pants suits now, the jacket is longer now to take attention away from her thighs. I'm personally not a fan of pants suits, but she likes it for her figure. I love that she wears the rainbow! Remember when a magazine article put up a calendar of how often she wore the same pink suit in a month last campaign? lol Now I'm sure she keeps a schedule of all her outfits. She makes over $1 million dollars, if she wants to buy expensive suits so what. They made better, the seams, the fabric, and are not produced in sweatshops. And thus look more flattering on her. I love fashion so I thought this was going to be a positive thread on her style this year, because she's really upped her game. But I see this thread has taken a turn. I think Trump has toned down the orange skin subtly. I do think the modest self-tanners do make him look better. I just wish Hillary would get her eyes done, she doesn't need those bags under eyes. Link to article about her expensive jacket. Let's be real, when Michelle wears something from JCrew or H&M, she's making a political statement about wearing reasonably priced clothes. link to Michelle Obama Wears $540 Sneakers To Food Bank. I think these sorts of things are great news headlines, but this is all a new thing with social media figuring out what a celeb is wearing to go out and buy it. Like every time Prince George is seen his outfit is sold out. I don't expect the British Royals to wear reasonably priced clothing at any of their charitable events. A CEO has to dress like a CEO. And since mens' suits are custom tailored, we have no idea how much they are paying for it. So it's easy to criticize a woman.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 26, 2016 22:36:00 GMT
...and for the record, I like fashion, I love watching shows like 'what not to wear' etc. and I like shopping and picking out clothes for myself (now that I've lost weight)... so it's got nothing to do with whether I like fashion or don't like fashion in general.
I just wonder why she 'should' wear certain things or 'should not' wear certain things or dress / not dress a certain way and the same isn't said about men. I agree with Virginia, that women in positions of power (politics, business, etc.) are still held to a different standard than men in the same positions and it should NOT be that way.
eta: I also agree with Anabella's post- in most cases, more expensive brands of clothes are more well-made and will last longer... and pantsuits ARE trendy right now.
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Post by annabella on Jul 26, 2016 22:39:05 GMT
I just wonder why she 'should' wear certain things or 'should not' wear certain things or dress / not dress a certain way and the same isn't said about men. I think because she's not wearing the typical black suit skirt with a navy shirt.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 26, 2016 22:42:07 GMT
^^^ but if she was, people probably wouldn't like that either.
Why SHOULD she wear a skirt? Just because she's female?? (to be clear, I'm not asking YOU, I'm asking the *general* you...) If so, that's a stupid reason-- when there are all sorts of practical reasons why pants are better for traveling, walking etc., like someone already listed.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 26, 2016 22:57:40 GMT
Hillary has cankles and hips and thighs and dresses really flattering for her shape. Much better than she did her last Presidential run. She has a different cut for her pants suits now, the jacket is longer now to take attention away from her thighs. I'm personally not a fan of pants suits, but she likes it for her figure. I love that she wears the rainbow! Remember when a magazine article put up a calendar of how often she wore the same pink suit in a month last campaign? lol Now I'm sure she keeps a schedule of all her outfits. She makes over $1 million dollars, if she wants to buy expensive suits so what. They made better, the seams, the fabric, and are not produced in sweatshops. And thus look more flattering on her. I love fashion so I thought this was going to be a positive thread on her style this year, because she's really upped her game. But I see this thread has taken a turn. I think Trump has toned down the orange skin subtly. I do think the modest self-tanners do make him look better. I just wish Hillary would get her eyes done, she doesn't need those bags under eyes. Link to article about her expensive jacket. Let's be real, when Michelle wears something from JCrew or H&M, she's making a political statement about wearing reasonably priced clothes. link to Michelle Obama Wears $540 Sneakers To Food Bank. I think these sorts of things are great news headlines, but this is all a new thing with social media figuring out what a celeb is wearing to go out and buy it. Like every time Prince George is seen his outfit is sold out. I don't expect the British Royals to wear reasonably priced clothing at any of their charitable events. A CEO has to dress like a CEO. And since mens' suits are custom tailored, we have no idea how much they are paying for it. So it's easy to criticize a woman. I like that array of pantsuits. Modest and more flattering than things like the $12,000 Armani jacket dress. Which is sort of shapeless. The pant suits are all perfectly fine and flattering and she wears color nicely.
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Post by karen on Jul 26, 2016 23:12:04 GMT
I agree that her wardrobe is dull. I have no idea how much she pays for each one, but I'm sure she can afford it. I don't think comparing them to a man's suit is fair because that is what male politicians usually wear. Women have more choices when it comes to clothes. It would be nice if she mixed it up a bit.^^^ just curious, but why do you think this? Did people think the same thing about Donald Trump's outfits / suits?? "gee, a suit and tie AGAIN?!? how dull; it would be nice if he mixed it up a bit..." I get that women politicians can dress in skirted suits or dresses, but why should they have to?? I'm not even going to comment on the cost debate... ETA: "I miss watching What Not To Wear and learning all about fit and tailoring. " <--- me, too, gmcwife1I don't know if people think that about Trump. I think people think it is fair game to make fun of his hair, but they don't really care about his clothes. As I said, women have more wardrobe choices than men do. I think it would be nice if she took advantage of them. I suppose she thinks monochromatic pantsuits work for her. I disagree. I don't see a problem with that.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Jul 26, 2016 23:29:58 GMT
Just butting in here for a moment -
When Cruz was still in the running, the main commentary I read about him from the Peas was not about his policies. Instead it was some variation of,
"He looks like a lizard!" "He is so creepy looking!" "He gives me the creeps!"
So if our board is any indication, male candidates are indeed judged by their looks.
(Disclaimer: I am not/never have been a Cruz fan - but it wasn't because of his alleged creepiness.)
P.S. Although I am not a fan of her policies, I think Hillary usually looks quite nice.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 23:55:34 GMT
Er, there hasn't been another woman who has risen to THIS level of politics. Sad, but true. So, she's blazing a trail here. And I don't give a flying fuck WHAT she wears while she does it, though she has been taking this crap for 25 years now. Gracefully, I might add. Yes she certainly has dealt with things like this very gracefully. I certainly don't dress any better. I hide myself too. Wear flappy comfortable stuff. I have no idea why people ever gave her crap for the pants suits. She looked nice in them, wore them well. There was on FB a 'Hillary style thru the years montage' and I just thought that the more defined separates looked so much better on her. But nothing she's worn has looked bad or embarrassing. It isn't the pant suit for me. It is the hideous jacket thing that is buttoned and makes her look like she is wearing a tent or something. It won't make me not vote for her, but it does make me cringe. As for the bolded part...come on, some of the hairstyles we are all embarrassed of. Especially the 80s do's we did.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 26, 2016 23:57:20 GMT
Her twitter bio includes "Pantsuit Aficionado." LOL!!! Love it.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 27, 2016 0:01:33 GMT
Yes she certainly has dealt with things like this very gracefully. I certainly don't dress any better. I hide myself too. Wear flappy comfortable stuff. I have no idea why people ever gave her crap for the pants suits. She looked nice in them, wore them well. There was on FB a 'Hillary style thru the years montage' and I just thought that the more defined separates looked so much better on her. But nothing she's worn has looked bad or embarrassing. It isn't the pant suit for me. It is the hideous jacket thing that is buttoned and makes her look like she is wearing a tent or something. It won't make me not vote for her, but it does make me cringe. As for the bolded part...come on, some of the hairstyles we are all embarrassed of. Especially the 80s do's we did. WHAT - you mean we didn't all rock the aqua net, spiral perm, big hair like we think we did
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Post by hop2 on Jul 27, 2016 0:06:13 GMT
Yes she certainly has dealt with things like this very gracefully. I certainly don't dress any better. I hide myself too. Wear flappy comfortable stuff. I have no idea why people ever gave her crap for the pants suits. She looked nice in them, wore them well. There was on FB a 'Hillary style thru the years montage' and I just thought that the more defined separates looked so much better on her. But nothing she's worn has looked bad or embarrassing. It isn't the pant suit for me. It is the hideous jacket thing that is buttoned and makes her look like she is wearing a tent or something. It won't make me not vote for her, but it does make me cringe. As for the bolded part...come on, some of the hairstyles we are all embarrassed of. Especially the 80s do's we did. yeah but we all did those And yes that tent thing from Armani is what I dislike but it's not 'bad' or ' embarrassing' just not as flattering as when she wears seperates
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Post by ellen on Jul 27, 2016 0:12:09 GMT
I saw Hillary Clinton 8 years ago when she was campaigning for Obama. She was wearing a navy pantsuit. We all remarked that she looks so much smaller in person. She was all smiles, relaxed, and having a good time. She's impressive in person. My hands hurt the next day from clapping so much. A few of us the next day remarked that we felt choked up when she came out. I've thought a lot about that day today as she is making history. So glad I had my daughters with me.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 0:22:34 GMT
WHAT - you mean we didn't all rock the aqua net, spiral perm, big hair like we think we did Alas, no. My hair is too fine and too thin to hold the aqua net bangs. I tried so very hard, but mine would only go up an inch or two. I had a cousin who could get hers up about 6 inches. You could throw pencils and stuff at her bangs and it would either bounce off or stick. (Hillary's from that time seemed more the bouncy perm thing those older than me did)
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Post by tmarschall on Jul 27, 2016 1:15:47 GMT
In fairness Trump's looks have been discussed here. The orange glow, his hair. So it's not like only Hillary's personal looks are being discussed. Let's face it neither of them are attractive human beings but they aren't running in a beauty contest so it really shouldn't matter. However, they appear to be judged equally. Up until this post I would have actually said that Trump's personal look was being judged more than Hillary. She isn't an attractive human being? Agree we shouldn't concern ourselves with this, but I don't even understand it. I've heard her referred to as unattractive or called a beast and I don't get it. I don't get it either. I think she's a beautiful woman. Some of the photographs of her over the years and now are stunning. When she speaks passionately her face lights up.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 27, 2016 1:24:33 GMT
I just wonder why she 'should' wear certain things or 'should not' wear certain things or dress / not dress a certain way and the same isn't said about men. I think because she's not wearing the typical black suit skirt with a navy shirt. I appreciate that she wears colors. When I dressed in suits I had two black, two blue, two grey and one camel skirt. I mixed it up with tops and shirts but honestly it was so damn boring.
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