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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 3, 2016 4:57:18 GMT
Every time I turn around there is another "Trump said this!" thread or a "Why Hillary is better than Trump!" thread. Seriously, you guys are looking desperate. Now the Hillary backers are so desperate they are even saying Trump is crazy because nothing else has worked.
Doesn't it give you pause to think just how bad Hillary is that a guy like Trump is running about even with her in the polls?
She is running on another 4 years of Obama. When I think about that, I just cringe. That is the last thing I want. And clearly, that is the last thing more than 40% of the country wants. Around 70% believe the country is going in the wrong direction.
Who has benefitted the most from the Obama presidency? The top 1%. money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/economy/income-inequality-obama/
Do you know that about 40% of the country thinks we are still in a recession? It's no wonder, Obama is "solidly on track to be the only president in U.S. history to never have a single year when the U.S. economy grew by at least three percent. And unlike many presidents, he has had two terms in which to try to accomplish that feat." www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/painful-to-watch-this-is-the-weakest-u-s-economic-recovery-since-1949.html
So under Hillary, will we invest in more lame stimulus programs? Maybe buy more companies on the taxpayer dime that will subsequently enrich the principals and then go bankrupt? (Solyndra, anyone, and 5 more like it?)
Are we headed for more secret deals with countries like Iran, where the administration gets a big kick out of lying to us (and trying to cover up some of the lies), dealing with dangerous governments that spend the billions we give them to develop weapons to be used against our allies and ourselves? (And does anyone else wonder if the Clinton Foundation got a "donation" somewhere along the way in that deal?),
Are we headed for more policies like Obamacare where the administration gets a big kick out of lying to us and the exchanges are failing? (Bet they will delay announcement of policy increases until after the election.) www.politico.com/story/2016/04/obamacare-rate-hikes-a-looming-political-headache-for-democrats-222663
Are we going to continue with environmental plans that go beyond common sense? Where we will spend billions of dollars and everyone, especially the poor and those on fixed incomes, will suffer the most so that we can save 0.018 degrees. That’s 18 one-thousands of a degree -- over a period of 85 years??? townhall.com/columnists/dougdomenech/2015/09/24/the-coming-national-energy-tax-will-hurt-the-poor-and-rich-alike-n2056445
Will a Hillary Whitehouse be behind prosecuting people with dissenting opinions on climate change, making expressing an opinion a legally punishable offense or even a “crime against humanity?” as Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) urges? www.cato.org/blog/sen-whitehouse-bring-rico-charges-against-climate-wrongthink
Will a Hillary Whitehouse continue with Obama's policy of if you don't like the numbers change the metrics? He talks about deportations being up, but a "deportation" under Obama is stopping a person at the border, bussing them 200 miles, and then releasing them back across the border.
People talk about how great it is that Hillary has foreign policy experience with her Secretary of State position. But the Russian reset was a disaster and the Middle East is much worse off because of her direct policies. (Libya/Benghazi)
I also think about how the press has remained pretty quiet about so many of the things that have transpired under Obama. After all, they helped elect him, their personal politics run that way, so they sure aren't going to speak up and say "Hey, wait a minute, that's not right!" about pretty much anything, evidently.
If I understand a couple of provisions of the TPP correctly, it's a terrible deal for the U.S. One provision, I believe, says that when handing out contracts, the government will no longer need to consider "Made in America" first. The other provision is that there will be a tribunal with people from competing countries that will get to make all sorts of decisions about how we manufacture our own products and the labor we use to do so. I'm all for trade, it's expanding markets, but how is any of this good for Americans and the U.S. labor force? Isn't the president supposed to be looking out for us first? Hillary was for it until she was against it. And one of her best friends says "no worries, she'll flip (and be for it) as soon as she's elected." (Terry McAuliffe)
I could go on and on and on about the things a third Obama term and a Hillary presidency could bring us that worry the hell out of me. But I just thought I would throw these out there so that when you go to start your next thread about how great Hillary is or how awful Trump is, just think about how bad Hillary is perceived by millions of Americans and how much people don't WANT a third Obama term that the race is as close as it is. Her staff outnumber his about 10 to 1; she has spent millions in negative advertising, he has spent $0, and yet he continues to poll quite evenly with her.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/the-trouble-for-hillary.html?ref=opinion&_r=1:
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Post by katybee on Aug 3, 2016 5:01:56 GMT
Because Donald Trump is the gift that keeps on giving… every time he opens his mouth, he steps in a big pile of shit. And he likes it. No, he LOVES it. He loves it when we talk about him, and he loves it when you defend him. So everyone's happy.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 3, 2016 5:06:07 GMT
and he loves it when you defend him Saying I will take anybody over Hillary is defending him? If you think so. I would take Mickey Mouse over Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 5:13:41 GMT
Check tomorrow you are absoulately going to love the Hillary thread I'm going to start. Just love it. 😀
By the way the title of this thread is just downright rude.
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Post by MrsPea #2861 on Aug 3, 2016 5:14:17 GMT
Exactly BecyTech!
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Aug 3, 2016 5:14:36 GMT
Because my opinion is not aligned with yours, that makes me a shill? How about I have an opinion about who I prefer to lead the country, and it doesn't happen to be the same as yours, and we leave out the name-calling? And I am sure this will make your heart flutter with joy, but I appreciate the Obama presidency and the accomplishments of the current administration.
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Post by katybee on Aug 3, 2016 5:15:51 GMT
I'm not going to engage. You called us "shills,"--which is very insulting. I call Donald Trump all sorts of nasty names, but I don't think I've ever called you one. I can clearly see that you are frustrated. So I will walk away and you can do whatever you need to do to feel better.
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 3, 2016 5:17:24 GMT
I see the right wing wackos are in a panic! I LOVE IT!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 3, 2016 5:18:20 GMT
Nah, THIS shill is getting paid by the word.
That's why my posts are always so long.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 3, 2016 5:18:28 GMT
I love the obama administraton. and I guess I live in Hillary land..since there are very few here who support trump. I will be able to get insurance when dh retires...due to obamacare. there are many of us too.. just depends which bubble we live in.
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Post by betty on Aug 3, 2016 5:25:30 GMT
Not just here but in general. I need a little emoji guy running around flapping his hands in the air like the sky is falling but when DH came home and asked what was up I said... "TRUMP ATE CHICKEN!!!!" "TRUMP HATES BABIES!!!!" "TRUMP WORE SOCKS TODAY!!!!" Cracked him up!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 6:11:58 GMT
I appreciate the effort you've gone to in presenting the case against Hillary. Can you give a glimpse into the future of a Trump presidency using the issues you've raised above and based on what you've seen so far: Who will benefit the most from his presidency - poor, rich or middle class? Will he grow the economy by at least 3%? Will he invest in stimulus programs? Will he enter into any secret deals with dubious countries...deal with dangerous governments? What will he do with healthcare? What are his environmental plans? Will Trump prosecute those with dissenting opinions? If Trump doesn't like the deportation numbers (a big focus of his) will he change the metrics? Foreign policy experience - well he has none but how do you think he will go based on what you've seen in the media the past few months? I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on Trump and the above issues in light of him becoming President. Latest poll results I see on: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/Obama approval % 53/53/48 (3 numbers from 3 different polls) Obama disapproval % 44,46,49 (3 numbers from 3 different polls) Direction of Country: Right direction 27%, wrong track 64% Congressional Job Approval: Approve 10%, Disapprove 71%The approval/disapproval is split on Obamas performance but very clearly the public disapproves of congress 71% From this site: www.govtrack.us/congress/membersMembers of Congress The Senate: Republicans 54 Democrats 44 Independents 2 Total 100 House of Representatives: Republicans 247 Democrats 187 Vacancies 1 Total 435 Out of a total 535 positions , Republicans have 301 positions (56%), Democrats have 231 positions (43%).
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 3, 2016 6:17:16 GMT
Doesn't it give you pause to think just how bad Hillary is that a guy like Trump is running about even with her in the polls?
Do you know that about 40% of the country thinks we are still in a recession?
I've edited your post down to these two points because they stood out the most to me. First, last week the 538 Now-cast (if the vote was held today) was showing a 57% win for Trump. Both the Polls Only and Polls + were still showing Clinton winning at that time. Today the Now-cast is 85.9% for Clinton, 14.1% for Trump, Polls Only is 68% Clinton, 32% Trump and Polls-Plus is 66.4% Clinton, 33.6% Trump. Because these numbers are updated as new polls come in, they might vary slightly if you look at the links, but I will disagree with your assessment that they are running about even. Second, 40% of the country thinking we are in a recession doesn't make it so and may be very region specific. DH is turning down jobs because they don't have enough skilled trades available in both WA and CA to man the jobs. Real estate is selling quickly at record prices around here. Every kid I know looking for a summer job was able to get one quickly this year. Stores and restaurants all have help wanted signs in the windows. I am not horrified by 4 more years (hopefully 8) of Democrat in the Oval Office and I am not a Hillary shill. SaveSave
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Post by jennyap on Aug 3, 2016 8:42:29 GMT
Setting aside the OP (tl;dr) the sheer volume of Trump threads is becoming rather tiresome. I'd love if there could be just one "Latest Trump outrage" thread that was just added to instead of starting a new one, at least for a few days at a time.
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 3, 2016 9:10:49 GMT
Setting aside the OP (tl;dr) the sheer volume of Trump threads is becoming rather tiresome. I'd love if there could be just one "Latest Trump outrage" thread that was just added to instead of starting a new one, at least for a few days at a time. Good luck with that.
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Post by Nink on Aug 3, 2016 9:56:14 GMT
Well, I imagine they'll die down when the man learns to keep his yap shut and quit saying some ridiculous bullshit every.single.day. By the way, as a Trump shill, you're more than welcome to start threads of your own each day. No one is stopping you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2016 10:05:42 GMT
And are you upset and outraged at the threads started by Mizindependent who always has something to say about Hillary ? Nope, of course not.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 3, 2016 10:49:38 GMT
Oh and the ads put out by those who dislike Trump---they are not "negative" they are TRUTHFUL---all the ones I've see are of Trump himself speaking and showing exactly who he is, they aren't lies or even disputable !!! And to compare Trump not putting any out ? Pluhleeez. He runs his big fat ugly hateful mouth daily and the media is on him like flies to shit. Just because he doesn't pay for it doesn't mean he's not saying it and putting it out there. Why pay when you can do it for free? And for the Republican Party platform--- Overturn Roe can Wade Reverse the Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage Get rid of the EPA Abolish Obamacare (and no one will see a reduction in costs because it was the insurance companies who jacked everyone up the ACA) These are things that millions upon millions do not want to see rescinded .
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Post by elaine on Aug 3, 2016 10:54:14 GMT
Becky, if you just apologized to Merge for being so inappropriate to her on the other thread, you wouldn't have to sublimate all that shame and anger for being called out on it into this thread.
Starting a thread to simply call people who have different political views names? Not typical of you. I can only guess how shitty you feel about asking Merge about stuff between her and her husband.
You are starting to appear to be frothing at the mouth as you sit at your keyboard. To be expected by other peas, but not usually you. An apology probably would have given a lot more relief for you than this thread.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 3, 2016 11:17:02 GMT
In light of your post, I wonder what you think about the prominent Republicans who are jumping ship. Meg Whitman is the latest in an increasingly long line. You probably think that they are motivated by greed, that Hillary will reward them. I suppose that it's possible. But I would argue that these people are genuinely alarmed by Trump's erratic statements and lack of basic knowledge of the world.
And I would be curious to know what you like about Trump. How, in your opinion, would he make America great again? If you want to share, that is.
ETA: here is Whitman's FB post:
As a proud Republican, casting my vote for President has usually been a simple matter. This year is different. To vote Republican out of party loyalty alone would be to endorse a candidacy that I believe has exploited anger, grievance, xenophobia and racial division. Donald Trump’s demagoguery has undermined the fabric of our national character
Trump’s reckless and uninformed positions on critical issues — from immigration to our economy and foreign policy–have made it abundantly clear that he lacks both the policy depth and sound judgment required as President. Trump’s unsteady hand would endanger our prosperity and national security. His authoritarian character could threaten much more
Therefore, I have decided to support Hillary Rodham Clinton. It is clear to me that Secretary Clinton’s temperament, global experience and commitment to America’s bedrock national values would make her the far better choice in 2016 for President of the United States. In a tumultuous world, America needs the kind of stable and aspirational leadership Secretary Clinton can provide. I urge all Republicans to reject Donald Trump this November.
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Post by ellen on Aug 3, 2016 11:29:50 GMT
If Donald Trump paid per thread he'd be sending you at least ten bucks for this one.
I actually felt sorry for his son Eric when he had to go on CBS yesterday and try to defend his dad. Check out the polls done since the convention. I highly doubt this week will help him. Your candidate is crazy. Sorry if that makes you feel sad.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 3, 2016 11:48:57 GMT
Part of what is happening is that on days when he holds two rallies, our news sites update constantly as the day goes along. So when he says/does something outrageous, the last story gets bumped and the latest greatest things takes over our attention. Then after each episode, his campaign people come onto the newstertainment shows to defend him and often say even more outrageous things. He also tends to tweet at night after his daily campaign events are over and again in the morning after he digests the morning headlines. It results in this constant dribble of "he did/said WHAT now?" I expect things will settle down considerably once the Olympics start on Friday. (Of course, he may lose his mind when he's not the center of attention anymore and go even more crazy.)
All of that being said, I agree with you. I wasn't kidding when I said I have to limit myself to 3 Trump related outrages a day. The last 5 days have been kind of overwhelming for political junkies.
As for the OP, it must be frustrating to have this kind of candidate as your party's nominee. If he wins, you'll have to come up with a different insult for the tidal waves of those critical of his public statements and behavior because "Hillary shills" will have lost its sting.
Signed,
Someone who voted for Bernie
ETA: Just turned on Morning Joe to see them talking about some report that says Trump may drop out, assume the martyr mantle, and the party will select someone in his place. And at 7:50 am, they ended the segment with "Have we missed anything else he's said yet this morning?" Let today's roller coaster begin.
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Post by lucillebluth on Aug 3, 2016 11:52:49 GMT
Becky, seriously, step back and consider how your post comes across to Hillary supporters. You really want constructive debate on the issues? Don't start with a rant accusing posters of being desperate shills. (I saw multiple posts yesterday calling Hillary mentally ill--I guess Trump supporters are desperate.) Are *you* being paid by the Trump campaign? You obviously spend time on this, I'm just not sure to what end. (Oh dear, I hope you're not Katrina Pierson.)
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 3, 2016 12:03:51 GMT
I'll answer.
For me, I have weighed the information, done the research and based on the criteria that *I* find important made a decision about the direction I want my country to go-just like every single election I have voted in since I was able to vote. In that, this election is no different.
What is different is the two candidates and the current political climate.
The only control I have is to do what I have always done-weigh the information, do my research-and proceed from there. Some may not agree with my choice, nor may they agree with the criteria that I used to get to my choice, but it is one that I am comfortable with.
I do get frustrated though with the idea that if I disagree, I am uninformed. Far from it. I get I am not the smartest girl in the room, but I do try to get my information from multiple sources, try to focus on facts rather than rhetoric, research as best I can and make what ever decision I make to the best of my ability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 12:06:36 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so.
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Post by gar on Aug 3, 2016 12:12:49 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. Not that I'm a great fan of much media but the thing is that politically Hillary is old news, she's been around for a long time whereas DT has the novelty factor. No one has seen a politician openly be so racist, ill mannered and generally obnoxious...and that makes news.
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Post by Nink on Aug 3, 2016 12:14:54 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. We must have been listening to a different speech. The Kahn's were not calling out Trump for the death of their son. They were calling him out on his anti-Muslim agenda. Reminding him that Muslims are every bit as patriotic as every other American and serving in the military and sacrificing their lives for the United States. That all ethnicities and religions have sacrificed for this Country at some point.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 3, 2016 12:15:39 GMT
eta: ---> directed at the OP. And, we are able to start a new thread daily, sometimes more than one, because Trump gives us so many opportunities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 12:23:59 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. We must have been listening to a different speech. The Kahn's were not calling out Trump for the death of their son. They were calling him out on his anti-Muslim agenda. Reminding him that Muslims are every bit as patriotic as every other American and serving in the military and sacrificing their lives for the United States. That all ethnicities and religions have sacrificed for this Country at some point. Come on! You are spinning too, now. First: That's not exactly how it was presented. Whipping out the constitution, claiming that Trump has "never sacrificed anyone or anything" etc. It was meant to somehow make him look at fault. (Remind me, did Hillary or Obama sacrifice someone in the war?) Second, and more importantly: I'm commenting on how the two grieving parents, who each lost children in service to their country, were treated by the media based on which party they were affiliated with. NOT the exact words that either of them used. SaveSave
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2016 12:32:46 GMT
I get fed up with the fact that the media has never even PRETENDED to be fair. Of course the Donald doesn't do any favors, but the way any event is covered in the press will color people's perceptions. If they attacked and everything Hillary does in the worst possible light with the glee that they report on everything Trump does, it would be a different story. But it's completely unbalanced. To me the most shameful thing of all is the difference in the way the Khan situation was portrayed vs Pat Smith. Donald Trump had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with their sons death, and they somehow called him out for it with the wholehearted support of the media. Hillary was directly involved with the events that led to the death of Pat Smith's son and yet Pat Smith has been vilified. It's just ridiculous. Now I'm reading articles claiming THAT is not true (e.g. the disparity in the treatment of these two events.) The media is clearly taking their cue from Hillary - no, look over here, those facts are not facts, because I say so. I think this is somewhat valid (the disparity in treatment in the mainstream media), but again, I differentiate between things said by members of the media or entertainment industry - like Chris Matthews or David Letterman or Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly - whose job it is to get ratings, and things said by the candidate themselves. I know that Ms. Smith is upset because Clinton disagrees with her about what was said to the victims' families after Benghazi, and the truth is that none of us will ever know exactly what was said. It's my understanding that other Benghazi families agree with Clinton's account. In any case, for a politician aspiring to the highest seat in the land to publicly disparage a veteran's grieving family - I don't believe that Clinton has done that (disagreeing with someone's account is not disparaging them) and Trump undoubtedly has. The thing is that if Mr. Khan had spoken and Trump hadn't said anything about it, or had said that he disagreed with Mr. Khan's assessment of him but felt for the grieving family, it probably would have been a largely forgotten blip in the convention. He chose to be insulting instead, and that's what perpetuated the additional and unflattering media coverage. ETA: I think Trump should also consider that his own treatment of the media has something to do with the coverage he's getting. Even I have noticed the gleeful tone in WaPo's negative reporting of Trump lately - but that tone didn't creep in until after he revoked their press credentials because he didn't like their coverage of him. I know a few rank and file journalists - not the big names, but the type of people who do the research and file the articles we read in major outlets - and my perception is that most are working very hard to present an unbiased account. They take the responsibility of a journalist to report the news very seriously. The fact that Trump keeps saying outrageous things and Hillary, well, doesn't, makes the whole unbalanced reporting thing kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. These are not two typical modern political candidates playing the game. One article linked recently about the honesty of the two candidates mentioned that Trump is harder to fact-check because he doesn't have a regular staff responding to media inquiries about sources and statistics, which makes it harder to verify the things he says.
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