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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:33:01 GMT
The thread about savings was really interesting. I found this article, which is a variation on the the theme: Average American Net WorthI was thinking people might be more open in a poll, so I've added one. Do you know approximately what your net worth is? Here's a definition from the article:
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Post by papersilly on Sept 1, 2016 12:38:23 GMT
Southern California real estate has given our net worth a nice boost. So have tech stocks. On the flip side, those two components could devastate us during a recession. We weathered the last one pretty well but you never know about these things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:40:36 GMT
Southern California real estate had given our net worth a nice boost. So have tech stocks. On the flip side, those two components could devastate us during a recession. We weathered the last one pretty well but you never know about these things. Yes, let's hope real estate doesn't ever do such a drastic nosedive again! I had friends who were underwater for a long time, that was scary. SaveSave
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 1, 2016 12:47:28 GMT
At 41, having just gone through a divorce, 19 years of work behind me,and about 15 years of work ahead of me (my goal), I'm on track for my goal. I'm more than half way to my retirement goal, and will likely be able to speed that up now that the divorce is over (I'm the saver, XDH was the spender, so now I can save at a higher rate) I don't have much debt after the divorce, so pretty much what I have is worth what it is
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Post by papersilly on Sept 1, 2016 12:47:54 GMT
Southern California real estate had given our net worth a nice boost. So have tech stocks. On the flip side, those two components could devastate us during a recession. We weathered the last one pretty well but you never know about these things. Yes, let's hope real estate doesn't ever do such a drastic nosedive again! I had friends who were underwater for a long time, that was scary. SaveSaveFortunately, we will never be under. The values in the area are high even in a recession and our loan will never exceed even a fire sale price on the house. Thank goodness for that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:48:57 GMT
Real estate in our neck of the woods (military town, NC) has destroyed our net worth. We bought high and IF we ever sell it will likely be less than we paid. That's a hard pill to swallow. We also screwed up our investments early on due to lack of knowledge, but now we're doing a bit better through passive mutual fund investing. My DH and I would love to retire early but having 4 kids to help with college are putting those plans on hold for a bit.
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Post by Linda on Sept 1, 2016 13:30:35 GMT
I suspect we're probably underwater or maybe breaking even - our only debt is the house and just under 10K left on my student loans but we don't have any equity in the house yet and not much savings beyond DH's retirement
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Post by ntsf on Sept 1, 2016 13:32:37 GMT
yeah..san francisco real estate slows..doesn't really go down..but our kids will never be able to buy here.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 1, 2016 13:47:53 GMT
I just counted the change at the bottom of my purse...which means my net worth is around $1.67 in quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies. And randomly, a $5 Canadian bill, which may not count as I live in Florida.
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Post by annabella on Sept 1, 2016 14:18:58 GMT
That article seemed really sad, it says the medium is $194,000 for a 65-69 year old. If they sold their house (I understand outside of where I live you can buy a house for as cheap as $350K) and just start to dip into their retirement ($500K-$1 million), a middle class person should have a much higher net worth at retirement.
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 1, 2016 14:46:54 GMT
That article seemed really sad, it says the medium is $194,000 for a 65-69 year old. If they sold their house (I understand outside of where I live you can buy a house for as cheap as $350K) and just start to dip into their retirement ($500K-$1 million), a middle class person should have a much higher net worth at retirement. Depending on where you live, you can buy a house for MUCH less than $350K - and in many places that much money will buy you a VERY nice house. That description for net worth doesn't include pensions, which is a big part of my future retirement income.
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Post by utmr on Sept 1, 2016 14:55:15 GMT
There is a very good book called "The Millionaire Next Door" that talks in great detail about net worth. One benchmark talked about repeatedly is current age times current salary times 10%. So if you are 30 and your salary is $50K you could aim for net worth of $150.
An interesting read if you are thinking about this.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 1, 2016 14:58:05 GMT
I just counted the change at the bottom of my purse...which means my net worth is around $1.67 in quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies. And randomly, a $5 Canadian bill, which may not count as I live in Florida. If I recall correctly, you need to add that $2 and change (63cents?) savings you have mentioned in the other thread. That counts, too, ya know!
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 1, 2016 15:21:09 GMT
There is a very good book called "The Millionaire Next Door" that talks in great detail about net worth. One benchmark talked about repeatedly is current age times current salary times 10%. So if you are 30 and your salary is $50K you could aim for net worth of $150. An interesting read if you are thinking about this. This is one of DH's favorite books. I am really surprised at how low the net worth numbers are in the article.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 1, 2016 15:35:54 GMT
There is a very good book called "The Millionaire Next Door" that talks in great detail about net worth. One benchmark talked about repeatedly is current age times current salary times 10%. So if you are 30 and your salary is $50K you could aim for net worth of $150. An interesting read if you are thinking about this. I'll be the first to admit math isn't my strong suit, but I think I am misreading the way that formula is written. According to my calculations, we should be aiming for approximately $18 BILLION! We're screwed, so I think I'll just go shopping and get a pedicure today. Is it: Current Age x Current Salary = $$$ x 10% = $$$$$$$ or Current Age x (Current Salary x 10%) = $$$ Save
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Post by annabella on Sept 1, 2016 15:43:33 GMT
Depending on where you live, you can buy a house for MUCH less than $350K - and in many places that much money will buy you a VERY nice house. That description for net worth doesn't include pensions, which is a big part of my future retirement income. I thought you were talking about a trailer but I went on Zillow and wow to my surprise you can get a new house in TX for $250K. My co-worker recently left and I overheard her talking to HR to tidy up her affairs. She's in her mid-late 30s and had worked for the company for 10 years. I was shocked to hear she was only contributing 2% to her retirement the whole time she was here! She's not married. I don't know how she thought she was going to retire?
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Post by utmr on Sept 1, 2016 15:47:09 GMT
There is a very good book called "The Millionaire Next Door" that talks in great detail about net worth. One benchmark talked about repeatedly is current age times current salary times 10%. So if you are 30 and your salary is $50K you could aim for net worth of $150. An interesting read if you are thinking about this. I'll be the first to admit math isn't my strong suit, but I think I am misreading the way that formula is written. According to my calculations, we should be aiming for approximately $18 BILLION! We're screwed, so I think I'll just go shopping and get a pedicure today. Is it: Current Age x Current Salary = $$$ x 10% = $$$$$$$ or Current Age x (Current Salary x 10%) = $$$ SaveI think your decimal is going the wrong way. :-) $50,000/year times 10% equals 5,000 times age 30 equals $150,000 goal.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 1, 2016 15:47:39 GMT
There is a very good book called "The Millionaire Next Door" that talks in great detail about net worth. One benchmark talked about repeatedly is current age times current salary times 10%. So if you are 30 and your salary is $50K you could aim for net worth of $150. An interesting read if you are thinking about this. I'll be the first to admit math isn't my strong suit, but I think I am misreading the way that formula is written. According to my calculations, we should be aiming for approximately $18 BILLION! We're screwed, so I think I'll just go shopping and get a pedicure today. Is it: Current Age x Current Salary = $$$ x 10% = $$$$$$$ or Current Age x (Current Salary x 10%) = $$$ Save? I don't think you're applying the 10% correctly. The order doesn't matter. For example: 100,000 salary and aged 35 is $100,000*35*0.1 = $350,000
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 1, 2016 15:48:08 GMT
My co-worker recently left and I overheard her talking to HR to tidy up her affairs. She's in her mid-late 30s and had worked for the company for 10 years. I was shocked to hear she was only contributing 2% to her retirement the whole time she was here! She's not married. I don't know how she thought she was going to retire? I've always been surprised at the number of people who either don't bother to contribute to a 401K, or don't at least get the company match if they do.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 1, 2016 15:50:50 GMT
When considering net worth and retirement, I highly recommend people think long and hard about how to treat their primary residence. I've seen many people over estimate their nest egg as when push came to shove, they really didn't want to sell their house and move somewhere else. Just something to think about. There are other options (reverse mortgage, etc, but they come with some other issues to consider). My parents who bought in the Bay Area in the 1970s are working through this now. They have lots of equity, but really don't want to leave the home and neighborhood they've lived in for almost 50 years.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 1, 2016 15:52:09 GMT
I think your decimal is going the wrong way. :-) $50,000/year times 10% equals 5,000 times age 30 equals $150,000 goal. ? I don't think you're applying the 10% correctly. The order doesn't matter. For example: 100,000 salary and aged 35 is $100,000*35*0.1 = $350,000 Thanks for your explanations. Apparently using the % function on the calculator was my issue. When I used the .1 to multiply, the figure came out to a much more attainable goal! Looks like we are good, so I think I will still go shopping and get a pedicure today!
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Post by scrappinghappy on Sept 1, 2016 15:57:37 GMT
DH is an actuary and a 30 yo earning 50,000 should aim to have at least $3,000,000 to retire on at the current rate of inflation to expect the same standard of living assuming life expectancy is 85.
Using the formula above you'd need $50,000 plus 10% ($55,000) times 30 = $1,650,000. Not enough according to my dh unless there is a family history of early death. If family history shows long life expectancy, plan to have more.
And that brings us to estate planning. If you have that much money and you haven't spoken to a lawyer and accountant and set up appropriate trusts and accounts, ALL that money could be wiped out by one medical catastrophe as long as we have the health care system we do. In that case poor people are better off.
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Post by utmr on Sept 1, 2016 16:10:00 GMT
But do you really need to plan for the same standard of living? Don't pull out pitchforks, I'm not suggesting eating cat food or anything.
But at 30-40 you would have mortgage and daycare expenses that would be paid off long before retirement at 65. The mortgage money would go to savings allowing you to accelerate your savings with age. Similar to the Dave Ramsey snowball idea.
I agree that $3M is prob a good goal, but if you are at$150K at 30 you should be on your way to getting there. Max out the 401K, save aggressively on top of that, take advantage of the age 50 401K catch up, don't assume your house will appreciate, and don't buy Enron stock.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 1, 2016 16:20:21 GMT
You should definitely "plan" for the same standard of living. While certain expenses go down, others will go up. Medical expenses often go up dramatically, even for relatively healthy seniors. Plus many finally have the time for hobbies and travel, which can become very expensive very quickly. Then you layer in the - best of plans go sideways - you're much better off PLANNING on the same standard of living so that if your savings or investment plan comes up short, inflation is higher than expected, etc, you can economize while still maintaining a comfortable lifestyle than thinking you can retire and live off 50% of your prior income and determine that you're in dire straights when things go awry.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 1, 2016 16:42:10 GMT
I just counted the change at the bottom of my purse...which means my net worth is around $1.67 in quarters, dimes, nickels, and pennies. And randomly, a $5 Canadian bill, which may not count as I live in Florida. If I recall correctly, you need to add that $2 and change (63cents?) savings you have mentioned in the other thread. That counts, too, ya know! Well, hot damn. I forgot about adding that in, and I also decided for tax purposes to consider the $5 Canadian bill, and the 20 something bill from Honduras as foreign investments.
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Post by perumbula on Sept 1, 2016 16:50:08 GMT
Depending on where you live, you can buy a house for MUCH less than $350K - and in many places that much money will buy you a VERY nice house. That description for net worth doesn't include pensions, which is a big part of my future retirement income. I thought you were talking about a trailer but I went on Zillow and wow to my surprise you can get a new house in TX for $250K. My co-worker recently left and I overheard her talking to HR to tidy up her affairs. She's in her mid-late 30s and had worked for the company for 10 years. I was shocked to hear she was only contributing 2% to her retirement the whole time she was here! She's not married. I don't know how she thought she was going to retire? oh, honey. Most areas of the country, especially outside urban centers, $350k will buy you a very nice home. In my area of the country $350k will buy you a 40 acre ranch. If you want a house on a city lot, you'd be able to buy a very, very nice home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 16:53:51 GMT
But do you really need to plan for the same standard of living? Don't pull out pitchforks, I'm not suggesting eating cat food or anything. But at 30-40 you would have mortgage and daycare expenses that would be paid off long before retirement at 65. The mortgage money would go to savings allowing you to accelerate your savings with age. Similar to the Dave Ramsey snowball idea. I agree that $3M is prob a good goal, but if you are at$150K at 30 you should be on your way to getting there. Max out the 401K, save aggressively on top of that, take advantage of the age 50 401K catch up, don't assume your house will appreciate, and don't buy Enron stock. You may not have mortgage or daycare expenses, but you'll likely have considerably more healthcare expenses and many people travel more, etc. after retirement. And, at some point, you are very likely to need additional care, whether that means a nursing home, in-home care, or something else and those all can be extremely expensive. ETA: Should have read further and just said "Yeah, that" to Darcy Collins's post
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 1, 2016 16:57:17 GMT
I also decided for tax purposes to consider the $5 Canadian bill, and the 20 something bill from Honduras as foreign investments. So if I consider my childhood collection of Canadian money (don't judge!), we should have a fine retirement! I've probably got close to $20 in coins and a few bills!
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 1, 2016 17:01:38 GMT
I also decided for tax purposes to consider the $5 Canadian bill, and the 20 something bill from Honduras as foreign investments. So if I consider my childhood collection of Canadian money (don't judge!), we should have a fine retirement! I've probably got close to $20 in coins and a few bills! Yes indeed. According to the anxious financial planning system, you are all set.
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Post by jenjie on Sept 1, 2016 17:03:36 GMT
I thought you were talking about a trailer but I went on Zillow and wow to my surprise you can get a new house in TX for $250K. My co-worker recently left and I overheard her talking to HR to tidy up her affairs. She's in her mid-late 30s and had worked for the company for 10 years. I was shocked to hear she was only contributing 2% to her retirement the whole time she was here! She's not married. I don't know how she thought she was going to retire? oh, honey. Most areas of the country, especially outside urban centers, $350k will buy you a very nice home. In my area of the country $350k will buy you a 40 acre ranch. If you want a house on a city lot, you'd be able to buy a very, very nice home. This right here is part of the beauty of this place. Often we have no concept of what life is like outside our own neighborhood. it can be a learning opportunity .
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