pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Oct 2, 2016 4:07:53 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Oct 2, 2016 4:09:46 GMT
And like everything else, it won't make a damn bit of difference to his admirers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 4:12:02 GMT
Link didn't work for me. I am off to google, but just wanted to let you know.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Oct 2, 2016 4:12:23 GMT
You'll need to fix the link; it just links back to here. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 2, 2016 4:18:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 4:43:32 GMT
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One day Trump will learn that everything he tweets or every interview he gives or has given is "out there" and will when he least expects it will come back and bite him in the ass. The attached link is NBC listing various tweets Trump has made about taxes over the years. Certainly since his big loss of what $900M. The first one is absoulately great: 2/23/12 "HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt...." It seems he may have been part of the half of Americans that don't pay income taxes he was grossing about. You know if he wasn't running for president it would be rolling on the floor hysterical. By the way the Trump statement about the NY Times story blames Hillary.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 2, 2016 4:45:13 GMT
Where's Anonymous when you need them? That's just one year.  |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Oct 2, 2016 4:48:22 GMT
And like everything else, it won't make a damn bit of difference to his admirers. I really wonder if that's true. Because if I'm a white, non-college-educated male who is struggling for upward mobility and paying a chunk of my income in taxes, the billionaire successful businessman who "lost" money and hasn't paid them in decades doesn't look so heroic to me. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2016 4:50:43 GMT
So, if Trump doesn't believe in paying taxes by using loopholes open to the wealthy, how is he planning on paying for all his plans to make America great again? The shrinking middle class and the lower classes that don't have access to those loopholes, so their taxes are the only way to finance his plans.
But Trump is going to help the middle class and the poor - he is going to fix all their problems. With money that he collects from taxing them. And when he fails, if elected, it will all be the fault of those very people for not paying enough of their taxes.
At least we know now the most likely reason he doesn't want the public to see his tax returns, because while we pay varying percentages of our income in taxes, he probably hasn't been paying any. It may be legal, but it sucks nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 6:40:37 GMT
And like everything else, it won't make a damn bit of difference to his admirers. I really wonder if that's true. Because if I'm a white, non-college-educated male who is struggling for upward mobility and paying a chunk of my income in taxes, the billionaire successful businessman who "lost" money and hasn't paid them in decades doesn't look so heroic to me. I still think it's true. The voter you're talking about isn't going to read the factual articles. They're watching/visiting the all-pundit "news" channels and websites and will wholeheartedly embrace whatever spin those sources put on it. They're just looking for people who will continue to tell them what they want to hear, and Trump and the Trumpsplainers are happy to keep doing it. SaveSave |
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Post by suzastampin on Oct 2, 2016 11:47:39 GMT
FINALLY! I've been saying for weeks that "they" should be trying to get him to release previous years taxes as they weren't under audit. Plus, those back years would give a bètter picture of his taxes as he wasn't running for president when they were compiled.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2016 13:56:27 GMT
That's pretty crap journalism frankly. A few pages of returns that were sent anonymously for 1995 and then paragraph after paragraph of raw speculation on what it MIGHT mean. If anyone was under any confusion that there were years when Trump paid no income taxes, you're not familiar with the tax code. His businesses have gone through several well publicized financial difficulties over various times. If you don't make any income - and even more so lose huge chunks of money in a year, you don't pay taxes that year. How long those losses carried forward and how much his subsequent income was - is all unknown and the article included several sensational claims that are just pure speculation.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 2, 2016 14:30:53 GMT
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One day Trump will learn that everything he tweets or every interview he gives or has given is "out there" and will when he least expects it will come back and bite him in the ass. The attached link is NBC listing various tweets Trump has made about taxes over the years. Certainly since his big loss of what $900M. The first one is absoulately great: 2/23/12 "HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt...." It seems he may have been part of the half of Americans that don't pay income taxes he was grossing about. You know if he wasn't running for president it would be rolling on the floor hysterical. By the way the Trump statement about the NY Times story blames Hillary. But these things should have bitten him in the ass months ago!!!! |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 2, 2016 14:56:33 GMT
That's pretty crap journalism frankly. A few pages of returns that were sent anonymously for 1995 and then paragraph after paragraph of raw speculation on what it MIGHT mean. If anyone was under any confusion that there were years when Trump paid no income taxes, you're not familiar with the tax code. His businesses have gone through several well publicized financial difficulties over various times. If you don't make any income - and even more so lose huge chunks of money in a year, you don't pay taxes that year. How long those losses carried forward and how much his subsequent income was - is all unknown and the article included several sensational claims that are just pure speculation. Trump has bragged about being an amazing businessman. This one return shows that he lost a shit-ton of money during a time that was quite good for most investors. He lost it running casinos, not speculating on the market. A $915 million loss is not the mark of a great businessman. he has also tweeted, condemning those who pay no taxes. He paid no taxes. Maybe for many years. How many? Who knows. I know that I personally have paid taxes ever since I started working. I guess his take is that if you are lower income and don't pay taxes, you are a parasite on the American people. But if you are a rich guy who pays no taxes, you're smart. there's a reason trump didn't want to release his returns - any of them. He may be under audit, but not for every single year since he's been in business. If there is nothing to hide and nothing illegal, why not release them as every other candidate has done? At this point, continuing to hide them may be more harmful than releasing them - it will add credence to the speculation that he hasn't paid any taxes in a really loooooooooong time. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 2, 2016 15:01:27 GMT
"I'm a billionaire several times over" says the con man who claimed only $6,100 in income, tips, wages,,,
This just shores up all the rest of his bullcrap--a terrible businessman.
He's a user and he's said it over and over--he's only responsible to his family and businesses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:03:07 GMT
"I'm a billionaire several times over" says the con man who claimed only $6,100 in income, tips, wages,,, This just shores up all the rest of his bullcrap--a terrible businessman. He's a user and he's said it over and over--he's only responsible to his family and businesses. Not to defend Trump in the slightest, but there is nothing unusual about this. Many business owners don't pay themselves W-2 wages. There is nothing untoward or foolish about it. Now the nearly billion dollar loss, his hypocrisy, and many other issues are an entirely different story. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2016 16:06:08 GMT
Chris Christie and Giuliani are now saying that paying no taxes is "genius!" linkSo, if the rich are "geniuses" for not paying taxes, who is expected to pay for the government and services it provides? No wonder the middle class is shrinking, we are the ones doing the paying, while the rich pat each other on the back for pushing the costs on to us as being brilliant. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2016 16:09:13 GMT
That's pretty crap journalism frankly. A few pages of returns that were sent anonymously for 1995 and then paragraph after paragraph of raw speculation on what it MIGHT mean. If anyone was under any confusion that there were years when Trump paid no income taxes, you're not familiar with the tax code. His businesses have gone through several well publicized financial difficulties over various times. If you don't make any income - and even more so lose huge chunks of money in a year, you don't pay taxes that year. How long those losses carried forward and how much his subsequent income was - is all unknown and the article included several sensational claims that are just pure speculation. Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani are treating it as real and making public statements about how brilliant Trump is for finding a way to not pay taxes for all those years. So, apparently it isn't being treated as crap journalism by leaders in the GOP. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 2, 2016 16:13:04 GMT
Trump didn't do anything illegal. Neither does Warren Buffett or all the other wealthy people OR corporations who take full advantage of the tax laws.
And the New York Times is the biggest hypocrite of all:
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Post by mzza111 on Oct 2, 2016 16:13:55 GMT
So where are all the peas who bitched about lower income people who don't pay taxes? If I'm not mistaken, Lauren was one of the loudest voices on this subject.
I'll just say it, so if you're brown or black, then not paying taxes is bad. If your a white man who claims to be a billionaire, not paying taxes is "genius".
But theres no racism involved, right?
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2016 16:20:01 GMT
Trump didn't do anything illegal. Neither does Warren Buffett or all the other wealthy people OR corporations who take full advantage of the tax laws.
And the New York Times is the biggest hypocrite of all:
That Trump did something illegal said NO ONE on this thread. That it is deplorable to be proud of paying no taxes, while the people you supposedly represent and speak for do pay them, said a lot of people. We, the middle and lower classes, pay taxes to support all the government benefits Trump enjoys. Trump is a great example of how the rich - who complain about the poor who receive welfare - have no problem with welfare when it applies to themselves. Oh, and last I heard, the New York Times isn't running for president. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:22:38 GMT
So where are all the peas who bitched about lower income people who don't pay taxes? If I'm not mistaken, Lauren was one of the loudest voices on this subject. I'll just say it, so if you're brown or black, then not paying taxes is bad. If your a white man who claims to be a billionaire, not paying taxes is "genius". But theres no racism involved, right? I don't recall that I've ever "bitched about lower income people who don't pay taxes" and I certainly always have paid my fair share, that's for sure. I do think that tax laws should be tightened so that everyone is paying equally, but if there aren't some advantages to starting or owning a business then we will never have entrepreneurs take that risk. That said, taxation is not an issue that sways my vote. It's as simple as that. I don't care about what Donald Trump has or has not paid, and I don't care what the Clintons have or have not paid (because I'm sure they have also taken advantage of any tax laws that are advantageous to them also but the difference is that they have never actually owned businesses but if they had, they would have had the same laws available to them as Donald Trump has) |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 2, 2016 16:27:41 GMT
Trump didn't do anything illegal. Neither does Warren Buffett or all the other wealthy people OR corporations who take full advantage of the tax laws.
And the New York Times is the biggest hypocrite of all:
Honestly, I haven't seen ANYONE saying that what Trump did was illegal. It isn't. It's in the tax code, and he used a valid tax break. I myself have taken a loss on my business when I first started out and expenses were higher than profits. The issue with Trump's tax break is: He's told us all over and over again that he's a GREAT BUSINESSMAN who will run America like he runs his company. During the time when he had $916 million in losses, the NASDAQ returned nearly 40%. The Dow was at 33%. S&P 500 returned 34%. The economy was growing. Most people made quite a bit of profit. He didn't. So is he really a great businessman? To lose $916M in ONE YEAR - a year that most people saw record returns on their investments - is shocking. He's also told us that people who don't pay taxes are losers and parasites. Unless they're him, in which case they're smart. We don't know how much he really has, so we have nothing to go on for his "great business sense" other than his words - BELIEVE ME, I HAZ $$$$$$! We don't know how much he really pays in taxes, since he won't release his returns. So we don't know if he's a loser or a parasite, or smart - but we can sort of figure it out now. We don't know how much he gives to charity (although he brags a LOT about the TREMENDOUS amounts he gives to charity - except nobody is saying they received from him). We do know that it appears that he didn't register his foundation properly and that there are some questionable dealings with that. His son's foundation is properly registered, they use the same accountant - so was it an oversight or on purpose? We also know that many of the things he wants to do to "make America Great Again" are going to cost money. LOTS of money. Now that we see that he pays no taxes, we know that for sure it's not going to be HIM helping to pay for those things. So who is it going to be? Mexico won't pay for the wall - but even if they did, who is going to pay for all of the other things he wants to do? Not him! Oh yeah, it will be us. The suckers who actually pay for the services provided by the government. SaveSave |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 2, 2016 16:32:21 GMT
So where are all the peas who bitched about lower income people who don't pay taxes? If I'm not mistaken, Lauren was one of the loudest voices on this subject. I'll just say it, so if you're brown or black, then not paying taxes is bad. If your a white man who claims to be a billionaire, not paying taxes is "genius". But theres no racism involved, right? I don't recall that I've ever "bitched about lower income people who don't pay taxes" and I certainly always have paid my fair share, that's for sure. I do think that tax laws should be tightened so that everyone is paying equally, but if there aren't some advantages to starting or owning a business then we will never have entrepreneurs take that risk. That said, taxation is not an issue that sways my vote. It's as simple as that. I don't care about what Donald Trump has or has not paid, and I don't care what the Clintons have or have not paid (because I'm sure they have also taken advantage of any tax laws that are advantageous to them also but the difference is that they have never actually owned businesses but if they had, they would have had the same laws available to them as Donald Trump has) didn't. But you know who did? Trump. @barackobama who wants to raise all our taxes, only pays 20.5% on $790k salary. 1.usa.gov/HFZJKH Do as I say not as I do. HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt...http://plu.gd/qLa Facebook billionaire gives up his U.S. citizenship in order to save taxes. I guess 3.8 billion isn't enough for (cont) tl.gd/hdnk92"@conservativejt: @bluejoni @realdonaldtrump Trump is an American that will pay more taxes in one year than you pay in your entire life. Yesterday was @barackobama's favorite day of the year--he collects our taxes to redistribute. To the geniuses at 'Americans United for Change': the more you tax me the less people I employ. Get it? So generous and pious! After spending millions of our tax dollars on his campaign through travel, @barackobama donated to himself. In this time of economic turmoil where millions of Americans are unemployed, our tax dollars are paying @billmoyers' big pbs salary! Save |
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Post by quiltz on Oct 2, 2016 16:48:12 GMT
My deepest sympathy to my American peas.
In a country that is so big (called a Super-Power), and it comes to these 2 people to elect, sorry I forgot about the Liberation and other independents; is this all that you have to choose from?
Are there not any other people who could run for this high office, or is it simply the process in which you elect/choose the leader?
I have no choice not to notice your political election as it is front page news in Canada. You are our closest neighbour and our closest ally. What your country decides on a President does affect (effect?) Canada.
Peace to everyone who votes in this election.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 2, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
Trump can make up anything that he wants to, put it on a tax form, print it out and give it to the press. My understanding is that the IRS can't or won't comment on anyone's taxes. I am willing to bet that he will release a phony tax form, showing he paid taxes, right before the election. He is not releasing it now because journalists would have time to compare it with available public records that would prove it is a phony tax record. If he releases it right before the election no one will have time to fact check it.
He is a consummate liar and this is an easy thing to fabricate if there is no time to check it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 2, 2016 16:57:39 GMT
"I'm a billionaire several times over" says the con man who claimed only $6,100 in income, tips, wages,,, This just shores up all the rest of his bullcrap--a terrible businessman. He's a user and he's said it over and over--he's only responsible to his family and businesses. Not to defend Trump in the slightest, but there is nothing unusual about this. Many business owners don't pay themselves W-2 wages. There is nothing untoward or foolish about it. Now the nearly billion dollar loss, his hypocrisy, and many other issues are an entirely different story. Oh I get that some of his business might be perfectly fine and dandy--HOWEVER---coupled with the facts that he does not abide by business contracts, screws people out of their pay, manufacturers his shit in other countries, keeps lawyers to sue the guys trying to get their contracts paid because he knows that they cannot afford the legal route makes him a first class asshole, dishonest business man--and all the more untoward and foolish! |
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Post by Nink on Oct 2, 2016 17:29:17 GMT
I think I'm going to stop paying taxes and see how that works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:41:04 GMT
The New York Times and Warren Buffet aren't running for President or shooting their mouths off on what a great businessman they are and how smart they are to avoid paying taxes.
If I'm not mistaken, Warren Buffet has said that he thinks he doesn't pay his fair share.
The old board was FULL of conservatives screaming about how half the population doesn't pay taxes, screaming about the Earned Income Credit and how it was another form of welfare...I wish I would have saved the multiple threads about and I think some would be surprised just who chimed in on that.
This tells me more about what a shitty businessman he really is and who in the fuck do his supporters think were hurt the most in his ALMOST BILLION DOLLAR LOSS....it sure wasn't Heir Trump, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 17:53:44 GMT
He really is starting to become unhinged....after the NY Times released that story (which came from Trump Tower, by the way), he responded at a rally in Pennsylvania with this.... Trump imitates Clinton stumbling when ill with pneumoniaHis supporters should be so proud....first a disabled person and now this.....he's a piece of shit. |
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