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Post by tsabhira on Oct 3, 2016 22:38:21 GMT
Just saw this press release on Tim Holtz's site -- he's apparently stepping down as Ranger's creative director but staying on as a designer for some of the lines (like Distress). He doesn't really give much of a reason. timholtz.com/the-journey-continues/Anyone know the real story? |
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Oct 3, 2016 22:53:13 GMT
Just saw this press release on Tim Holtz's site -- he's apparently stepping down as Ranger's creative director but staying on as a designer for some of the lines (like Distress). He doesn't really give much of a reason. timholtz.com/the-journey-continues/Anyone know the real story? Not sure what you mean by real story? Personally I think Ranger would be nothing without TH. He is Ranger as far as I am concerned. Ranger's statement seemed like a bit of a diss but maybe I'm reading more into it. |
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Post by tsabhira on Oct 3, 2016 23:10:57 GMT
I just meant, there's always more to it than what the press release says. Who made the call, whether it was amicable, what's the motivation, what he's doing next, what it'll mean for us/crafters/superfans. Somehow it seemed weird to see a press release and not a blog post from him reassuring people.
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Post by infochick on Oct 4, 2016 0:37:18 GMT
I just meant, there's always more to it than what the press release says. Who made the call, whether it was amicable, what's the motivation, what he's doing next, what it'll mean for us/crafters/superfans. Somehow it seemed weird to see a press release and not a blog post from him reassuring people. I totally agree...this comes as somewhat of a shock to me. I really do associate Ranger so much with Tim and his products...much as I like some of the offerings put forth by their other designers. While he already seems to have lots of different offerings with other brands, perhaps this will free him up to do even more things with other companies? While Ranger assures us this will not affect the Distress line, I have my fingers crossed that this remains true for the long-term. I have quite a lot invested in the distress line (especially the inks) and would be very sad if they changed. Fingers crossed this means some exciting news from Tim! SaveSave |
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Oct 4, 2016 0:47:31 GMT
I just meant, there's always more to it than what the press release says. Who made the call, whether it was amicable, what's the motivation, what he's doing next, what it'll mean for us/crafters/superfans. Somehow it seemed weird to see a press release and not a blog post from him reassuring people. Some of those things a company is never going to share because really it's not our business if it was amicable or what the motivation is. Since he is still with Ranger TH certainly isn't going to share if it wasn't a mutual thing. I am thinking it is because let's face it I doubt he would stay with Ranger if it wasn't. He could go to another company and be swept up quite quickly I think. |
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Post by oaksong on Oct 4, 2016 1:29:39 GMT
Hmmm, I don't know what to think. It does seem like Ranger is offering more design lines that are quite different from the TH brand. I could see why that might call for a different creative director, since Tim's style is pretty specific. He seems to have a lot of fun doing his own thing as a hands-on designer. I often wondered how he did it all. Maybe it was too much, and he'd rather step back and nurture his own brand. Totally understandable from all perspectives. I hope the change goes well for all concerned. I'm a huge fan, and the collaboration has been the best in the business for a long time.
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Post by scrappington on Oct 4, 2016 11:55:00 GMT
Hmmm, I don't know what to think. It does seem like Ranger is offering more design lines that are quite different from the TH brand. I could see why that might call for a different creative director, since Tim's style is pretty specific. He seems to have a lot of fun doing his own thing as a hands-on designer. I often wondered how he did it all. Maybe it was too much, and he'd rather step back and nurture his own brand. Totally understandable from all perspectives. I hope the change goes well for all concerned. I'm a huge fan, and the collaboration has been the best in the business for a long time. I agree. Maybe its just getting to much. I'm sure Ranger will still be the company we all love
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Post by pancakes on Oct 4, 2016 12:39:04 GMT
It's also possible the contract with Ranger was too restrictive and this gives TH more freedom to pursue other partnerships in the future. Who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 13:10:12 GMT
It's also possible the contract with Ranger was too restrictive and this gives TH more freedom to pursue other partnerships in the future. Who knows. I don't think it was this as he already had other partnerships with Sizzix at least and I think maybe one other company. I always wondered how he managed the different styles - Dina's and Dyan's especially. His style is so dominantly dark and shabby (which I like at times) but theirs is much more colorful. His inks got much brighter in 2015 when he did the monthly releases, so I always saw that as them rubbing off on him. But who knows, just entirely speculation. |
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Post by pancakes on Oct 4, 2016 13:25:22 GMT
It's also possible the contract with Ranger was too restrictive and this gives TH more freedom to pursue other partnerships in the future. Who knows. I don't think it was this as he already had other partnerships with Sizzix at least and I think maybe one other company. I always wondered how he managed the different styles - Dina's and Dyan's especially. His style is so dominantly dark and shabby (which I like at times) but theirs is much more colorful. His inks got much brighter in 2015 when he did the monthly releases, so I always saw that as them rubbing off on him. But who knows, just entirely speculation. i don't think he has an ink line with anyone else right? Perhaps he wants to do more with that. |
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Post by basketdiva on Oct 4, 2016 15:52:22 GMT
I just meant, there's always more to it than what the press release says. Who made the call, whether it was amicable, what's the motivation, what he's doing next, what it'll mean for us/crafters/superfans. Somehow it seemed weird to see a press release and not a blog post from him reassuring people. Not sure why you or anyone needs this information. Businesses and their personnel change direction all the time without passing on corporate details. What type of reassurance do you want from TH? |
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Post by tsabhira on Oct 4, 2016 18:13:23 GMT
"Some of those things a company is never going to share because really it's not our business if it was amicable or what the motivation is. Since he is still with Ranger TH certainly isn't going to share if it wasn't a mutual thing. I am thinking it is because let's face it I doubt he would stay with Ranger if it wasn't. He could go to another company and be swept up quite quickly I think."
"Not sure why you or anyone needs this information. Businesses and their personnel change direction all the time without passing on corporate details. What type of reassurance do you want from TH?"Right. I don't expect the company to share that information, especially after a press release like that, which is why I'm not asking the company. Nor was I saying I was entitled to the information. I was asking people who often have an inside scoop out of sheer curiosity and concern about whether Tim was partly retiring. If anyone else was curious as I was, Tim did put up a personal post today that explains at least that he's sticking around as a designer and that all his lines will continue on as they are, so if you're a fan as I am, you needn't worry. timholtz.com/change-is-in-the-air/
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Post by oaksong on Oct 4, 2016 22:00:19 GMT
Thanks for the update and link, tsabhira . Even though Tim's tone is positive, I get the impression that it wasn't necessarily his decision. It appears to me that Ranger is expanding other design lines, using the TH Distress model which has been extraordinarily successful. This is probably a great move for Ranger and the industry in general. Personally, I have crossed over to some of the color palettes, even though the Distress everything is still my favorite by far. I hope that Tim will be happy in continuing to do his thing. Change is hard, but sometimes new opportunities arise that are even better. |
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Post by FurryP on Oct 5, 2016 2:04:05 GMT
Even though Tim's tone is positive, I get the impression that it wasn't necessarily his decision. I agree. If that were not the case, I find it odd that the stepping down as creative director was effective immediately as of the day of the announcement, and not a little further in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 7:02:56 GMT
I know Ranger has been around than most of us have been alive. It is going to be so weird that Tim is not the creative director any more. Since I have been stamping I always associate Ranger with Tim. This is going to take a lot of getting used too. I wish Tim the best. He's just the sweetest.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 5, 2016 15:43:43 GMT
I think many might be reading too much too it.
As a creative director, the job would entail that person in advertising, marketing, and leading the people who would be under that umbrella.
Imagine all the other designers Ranger has (not exclusively Tim products) how is it that with all his growth in the market, traveling, classes, separate booths at trade shows etc. that he can also fully and fairly represent the other designers products?
I'm not saying that he was being unfair; it's just as creative director you have a responsibility to the company, not just your own product.
It's also not like Ranger is not collaborating with Tim anymore either, he's going to be doing what he was doing anyway.
I think that the title and company CD responsibilities were just removed from his plate. I bet Ranger replaces the position with someone who isn't also a designer of products.
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Post by Night Owl on Oct 5, 2016 16:52:38 GMT
Not sure why you or anyone needs this information. Businesses and their personnel change direction all the time without passing on corporate details. What type of reassurance do you want from TH?  |
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Post by papersilly on Oct 5, 2016 18:20:13 GMT
It's also possible the contract with Ranger was too restrictive and this gives TH more freedom to pursue other partnerships in the future. Who knows. this is what I was thinking. maybe there is another company he wants to partner with or just go out on his own without the control of Ranger. I think it's Ranger's loss. |
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 5, 2016 19:21:44 GMT
I have a lot of respect for Tim Holtz. I remember on 2 peas there was a poster saying disparaging remarks about him and I think it had to do with him being gay. He came and made a comment that basically said if you don't want to buy my products that is fine. He put it much more eloquently. LOVED his response! I'm a firm believer the customer is not always right.
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Post by hutchfan on Oct 5, 2016 23:11:32 GMT
I love Tim! He and Mario are 2 of the nicest people I have ever met and if you ever have a chance to take a class taught by Tim do so, he is the best class instructor I have ever encountered! Top notch products by one classy guy and I will continue to support him and wish him the best of luck in his adventures!
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