AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 9, 2016 20:04:58 GMT
I agree that this kind of talk is more common than we think. I agree that there is much to take offense at in popular culture.
I disagree that you can determine who of us is jaw-droppingly hypocritical. I disagree that you can determine who of us is pretending offense to fit her political agenda. (And you have no idea how much each of us "pays attention" to cultural trends...how much we indulge...how much we rail. Just as we don't know about you.)
The Christian thing: One of the main reasons I got drawn in to the old board was the opportunity to learn about people who are conservative Christians. So, opinions like yours (e.g. moral compass) are both fascinating and depressing.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 9, 2016 20:09:46 GMT
I love what all you other heathens have posted before me. You all said it much better than I could have. You made my life easier as all I had to do was like all of your posts.
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Post by YooHoot on Oct 9, 2016 20:10:04 GMT
Some of the biggest assholes I know go to church every Sunday.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 9, 2016 20:10:10 GMT
Maybe it's time to take a step back and ask yourself why you think that what happens in entertainment equals real life behavior. This is a fallacy that those with a self-awarded moral compass love to embrace.
Many (most) people in my circle of friends and family watch all manner of "filth". It has no correlation to how we live our personal lives. I find the exploration and expression of human behavior in all of its forms interesting, enlightening and entertaining.
None of the men in my life talk about women in a vulgar way. Not my husband, not my brother, not my son, not my father. They are just as disgusted and shocked by PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE Trump's behavior as the women I know. Watching an R-rated movie or music video does not make them hypocrites. Your connection between the two is simply false.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 20:11:53 GMT
I don't agree with everything in the OP but I do agree with the general premise that the level of shock and outrage is somewhat hypocritical.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 9, 2016 20:14:18 GMT
There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, and they are mocked for having a different stand BULLSHIT!! Absolutely BULLSHIT I know atheists who have great moral compasses. You are ridiculous. Oh and the biggest "Christians" I know are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever met. What utter nonsense your post is
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Post by Kerri W on Oct 9, 2016 20:15:19 GMT
I am a Christian and I think your post is bullshit and offensive. Don't speak for me, please.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 9, 2016 20:16:21 GMT
And for the record, the only people who "found morality" just yesterday are GOP politicians who finally decided that endorsing sexual assault was their breaking point. Not plenty of other examples of misogyny. Not racism. Not general vulgarity. Not the inability to tell the truth. Not xenophobia. Nope. They "found morality" when they FINALLY realized they were tethered to a sinking ship and bailed to preserve their own political futures. Oh, and they're all Christians. Nice moral compass you've got there. Meanwhile, plenty of us recognized the moral wasteland that is Donald Trump long ago and while appalled by his behavior, hardly just "found morality." Best post of the day!!
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 9, 2016 20:25:28 GMT
Of course I'm generalizing and there ARE moral people. But honestly people call themselves moral but have absolutely no issue with the disgusting crudeness we call entertainment. Christians too, yes so true. I myself have lowered my standards more than once because I want to be entertained and it's extremely difficult to even find a movie that would be classified "clean". I've left theaters ten minutes after the movie started, before, and drove home eating my movie popcorn..disappointed we can't be offered better cinema. I can't speak for everyone and I'm genuinely thrilled and happy if there are more who object than I've given credit to. It's not been my experience. How do you know "people" have "absolutely no issue" with the crudeness of some entertainment? Have you talked to all of them? Plenty of people have plenty of issues with what passes as "entertainment" sometimes. But the thing is, in the end if it offends you (general "you") you can just turn it off. Or write to the producers and tell them what you think of their movie/tv show/book/whatever. In the end it's just entertainment. All those people who bought "50 Shades of Grey" read it in their own homes, and they understand it's fiction. Plenty of other people thought it was garbage, but in the end it doesn't matter whether you like it or you don't -- it's entertainment. But with Trump we are talking about the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Surely you can see that it's not at all the same thing? As for "moral compass" being restricted only to Christians or a few others who might have some other religion...well, I suppose everyone else has already addressed that. But really? Let's not forget that some of those who call themselves "Christian" have only now come around to criticizing Donald Trump. They didn't object to Trump tearing down Mexicans and handicapped people and homosexuals and women and Muslims...somehow they never found their voice. Not until Trump insulted their own women -- i.e., nice white women -- did they suddenly decide to cut him off. Meanwhile there are many many MANY of us who also call ourselves Christian -- those of us who are liberal and Christian -- who have been horrified ever since he opened his mouth for the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 20:25:53 GMT
Doesn't the Duggar family identify as Christian?
How do you explain that hot mess of a family and their moral compass?
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 9, 2016 20:29:37 GMT
I hate what Donald Trump said, and wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that, act like that. But they do and most WOMEN don't stop it, and other MEN don't stop it and why not? Because it's accepted. Most people standing next to somebody talking like that would laugh and move on. Because it's just a "joke". What really bothers me is the absolute jaw-dropping hypocracy. You know men who speak this way? I don't. Not my son. Not my husband. Not my brothers. Not my nephews or cousins. Never. The idea of a man like this running for president of the United States should shock and outrage people. And many of us were shocked and outraged.......long ago. The only thing I don't understand is why some of his supporters are finally acting shocked now, after all the many other disgusting things he has said. This is the particular line they won't cross, but all the other things were ok, I guess. SaveSaveBecause all the awful things he's said were about "other people", people they had no connections to -- Muslims, handicapped, Mexicans, etc. But now he's going after ordinary (white) women. They have no ability to see the image of God (to use the theological term, since so many of them claim religion) in ALL people. They only see it in those who are close to them.
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Post by Sam on Oct 9, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
I hate what Donald Trump said, and wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that, act like that. But they do and most WOMEN don't stop it, and other MEN don't stop it and why not? Because it's accepted.. I'm sorry but it's laughable. (I'm not really laughing) Not the offensive comments but the giant pretense. It's like the emperor's new clothes. Somebody needs to stand up and say come on, you people, this is naked. So, surely, you are happy to see that women ARE TAKING A STAND now?? To say that 'men do' talk like that and 'other men' don't stop it is ridiculous. Please direct me to all of your other posts where you have called out recording artists for their views because, honey, if there is NO MORAL AGENDA AND YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT, YOU CONDONE IT. If you "wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that", you should have been calling out these actions and words well before now, rather than using them as some EXCUSE as to why society is so messed up. If you see that 'MOST WOMEN' don't get it, use your voice to demonstrate that it is wrong as opposed to trying to use it as 'proof' that it is accepted or right. BTW, I am not a practising 'Christian' or 'people with perhaps a religion' and yet I can see through your sanctimonious, illogical drivel quite easily.
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Post by M~ on Oct 9, 2016 20:36:23 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate morality and wish we had more of it in this world. But we don't. On talk shows, movies, radio, and social media people are pushing the envelope and getting better ratings for sinking lower and lower, winking as the raunch-o-meter blows past the previous limits. And rape culture? It's everywhere. Have you seen Adam Levine's video Animal? That's just one tiny example of what's absolutely accepted as "entertainment". He's a god to a lot of people, his popularity hasn't been hurt by glamourizing stalking, rape, and violence against women, it's been heightened. It is the ultimate hypocrisy to pretend we care about exploited women and rape culture. Where were all of the moral people as this country applauded each new "level" of rape culture as it was explored and then marched into our lives and laptops. It's no subculture, it's front and center everywhere. You are so used to it, I'll imagine you might not even stop to think about it when you see it. Pay attention. Really start paying attention and apply the new-found morality this country just FOUND yesterday! I hate what Donald Trump said, and wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that, act like that. But they do and most WOMEN don't stop it, and other MEN don't stop it and why not? Because it's accepted. Most people standing next to somebody talking like that would laugh and move on. Because it's just a "joke". What really bothers me is the absolute jaw-dropping hypocracy. The only reason people are acting shocked and outraged is because it fits a political agenda to do so. Like somebody crossed a line? What line? There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, and they are mocked for having a different standard or standing up against crude comments, statements, movies, etc. Now suddenly this charade of being shocked and offended. I'm sorry but it's laughable. (I'm not really laughing) Not the offensive comments but the giant pretense. It's like the emperor's new clothes. Somebody needs to stand up and say come on, you people, this is naked. The ONLY people who are NOW acting shocked or offended are Republicans who see their party going down the toilet due to the actions of a man of their own choosing. MOST MORAL people on this board have been SHOCKED and OFFENDED from the get-go. Hypocrisy? SNORT. That's rich. The Republicans made themselves Donald Trump's whore. NO one else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 20:40:51 GMT
There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, Hmm... I'm an atheist and my moral compass is pointing the right direction. Trump disgusts me. The religious leaders who use their religion to justify molesting little kids disgust me. And people who claim those who do not follow the Bible, God or whatever are immoral can just fuck off.
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Post by kibble on Oct 9, 2016 20:43:07 GMT
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Post by suzastampin on Oct 9, 2016 20:44:01 GMT
Donald Trump: I can grab women by the pussy! Most Women: OMG Trump supporters: When did you filthy women become MORAL? Who bought 80 million copies of "50 Shades of Gray"? I just can't even. That crap has been all over my FB stream today. As if they are one in the same thing. For the record, I didn't read those books.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 9, 2016 20:44:15 GMT
Please direct me to all of your other posts where you have called out recording artists for their views because, honey, if there is NO MORAL AGENDA AND YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT, YOU CONDONE IT. She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 9, 2016 20:45:34 GMT
Of course I'm generalizing and there ARE moral people. But honestly people call themselves moral but have absolutely no issue with the disgusting crudeness we call entertainment. Christians too, yes so true. I myself have lowered my standards more than once because I want to be entertained and it's extremely difficult to even find a movie that would be classified "clean". I've left theaters ten minutes after the movie started, before, and drove home eating my movie popcorn..disappointed we can't be offered better cinema. I can't speak for everyone and I'm genuinely thrilled and happy if there are more who object than I've given credit to. It's not been my experience. Ok, 'entertainment' fortunately or unfortunately falls under Free speech. I can choose to watch/read/play the specific 'entertainment' or choose not to. I can speak out about it with my purse strings. I have no idea what Adam Levine video your talking about because I DONT WATCH THAT CRAP!! Mr Levine can choose to use topics in his creative endeavors that I don't like, I can choose not to watch it. Because even watching it online means money in the entertainers pocket in today's world, btw. Usually thru advertising. And you have the freedom of speech to complain about the content of video you watched, thus lining Mr.Levine's pocket. See how that works? We are all free to choose or not choose entertainment. You, Me & Mr.Levine, all free. Thats what makes America great.
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Post by Nink on Oct 9, 2016 20:46:16 GMT
I'm pretty sure the majority of us have been calling out Donald's vulgar bullshit from the get-go, and long before yesterday, mostly to be told that he hadn't really done anything anyone else hasn't done and it's because we have our heads up Hillary's ass. So save your outrage.
And for the record, I have never in my life heard a single male in my life talk like that. Maybe you need to be examining who you associate with.
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Post by cannmom on Oct 9, 2016 20:47:35 GMT
I don't know what kind of men you are hanging out with, but the men I know do not talk like that. If that type of thing disturbs you so much why would you still support a candidate that acts that way? I'm a Republican and I will not. No way will he get my vote in November. Let your moral compass direct you and take a stand.
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Post by coffeetalk on Oct 9, 2016 20:48:45 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate morality and wish we had more of it in this world. But we don't. On talk shows, movies, radio, and social media people are pushing the envelope and getting better ratings for sinking lower and lower, winking as the raunch-o-meter blows past the previous limits. And rape culture? It's everywhere. Have you seen Adam Levine's video Animal? That's just one tiny example of what's absolutely accepted as "entertainment". He's a god to a lot of people, his popularity hasn't been hurt by glamourizing stalking, rape, and violence against women, it's been heightened. It is the ultimate hypocrisy to pretend we care about exploited women and rape culture. Where were all of the moral people as this country applauded each new "level" of rape culture as it was explored and then marched into our lives and laptops. It's no subculture, it's front and center everywhere. You are so used to it, I'll imagine you might not even stop to think about it when you see it. Pay attention. Really start paying attention and apply the new-found morality this country just FOUND yesterday! I hate what Donald Trump said, and wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that, act like that. But they do and most WOMEN don't stop it, and other MEN don't stop it and why not? Because it's accepted. Most people standing next to somebody talking like that would laugh and move on. Because it's just a "joke". What really bothers me is the absolute jaw-dropping hypocracy. The only reason people are acting shocked and outraged is because it fits a political agenda to do so. Like somebody crossed a line? What line? There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, and they are mocked for having a different standard or standing up against crude comments, statements, movies, etc. Now suddenly this charade of being shocked and offended. I'm sorry but it's laughable. (I'm not really laughing) Not the offensive comments but the giant pretense. It's like the emperor's new clothes. Somebody needs to stand up and say come on, you people, this is naked. The ONLY people who are NOW acting shocked or offended are Republicans who see their party going down the toilet due to the actions of a man of their own choosing. MOST MORAL people on this board have been SHOCKED and OFFENDED from the get-go. Hypocrisy? SNORT. That's rich. The Republicans made themselves Donald Trump's whore. NO one else. Perfectly stated and thank you for putting into words EXACTLY what I'm thinking. SaveSave
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2016 20:53:19 GMT
Bullshit. I don't put up with people who speak like that. My family doesn't speak like that, and neither do my friends. Because they would not BE my friends if they had that sort of attitude about women. It's about damn time that women stood up and said that they are not going to listen to or be a party to this misogynistic crap any more.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Oct 9, 2016 20:55:08 GMT
I was with you right up to this point. Many violent acts have been committed in the name of religion. Christians are by far the worst offenders. I personally have been abused by fine upstanding members of the church and when it came out, nobody blinked an eye at it. I was told forgiven,was was required by me but nothing was required by them. The religious moral compass is just as crooked as the rest
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Post by putabuttononit on Oct 9, 2016 20:55:17 GMT
I agree that this kind of talk is more common than we think. I agree that there is much to take offense at in popular culture. I disagree that you can determine who of us is jaw-droppingly hypocritical. I disagree that you can determine who of us is pretending offense to fit her political agenda. (And you have no idea how much each of us "pays attention" to cultural trends...how much we indulge...how much we rail. Just as we don't know about you.) The Christian thing: One of the main reasons I got drawn in to the old board was the opportunity to learn about people who are conservative Christians. So, opinions like yours (e.g. moral compass) are both fascinating and depressing. I'm not talking about the Peas or what's been said here. I haven't had a chance to read it, and I'm talking about society, not THIS Pea society, specifically, although some probably applies. I'm looking at a bigger picture than peaville
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2016 20:57:00 GMT
And for the record, the only people who "found morality" just yesterday are GOP politicians who finally decided that endorsing sexual assault was their breaking point. Not plenty of other examples of misogyny. Not racism. Not general vulgarity. Not the inability to tell the truth. Not xenophobia. Nope. They "found morality" when they FINALLY realized they were tethered to a sinking ship and bailed to preserve their own political futures. Oh, and they're all Christians. Nice moral compass you've got there. Meanwhile, plenty of us recognized the moral wasteland that is Donald Trump long ago and while appalled by his behavior, hardly just "found morality."
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 9, 2016 20:57:53 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate morality and wish we had more of it in this world. But we don't. On talk shows, movies, radio, and social media people are pushing the envelope and getting better ratings for sinking lower and lower, winking as the raunch-o-meter blows past the previous limits. And rape culture? It's everywhere. Have you seen Adam Levine's video Animal? That's just one tiny example of what's absolutely accepted as "entertainment". He's a god to a lot of people, his popularity hasn't been hurt by glamourizing stalking, rape, and violence against women, it's been heightened. It is the ultimate hypocrisy to pretend we care about exploited women and rape culture. Where were all of the moral people as this country applauded each new "level" of rape culture as it was explored and then marched into our lives and laptops. It's no subculture, it's front and center everywhere. You are so used to it, I'll imagine you might not even stop to think about it when you see it. Pay attention. Really start paying attention and apply the new-found morality this country just FOUND yesterday! I hate what Donald Trump said, and wish fervently that men wouldn't talk like that, act like that. But they do and most WOMEN don't stop it, and other MEN don't stop it and why not? Because it's accepted. Most people standing next to somebody talking like that would laugh and move on. Because it's just a "joke". What really bothers me is the absolute jaw-dropping hypocracy. The only reason people are acting shocked and outraged is because it fits a political agenda to do so. Like somebody crossed a line? What line? There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, and they are mocked for having a different standard or standing up against crude comments, statements, movies, etc. Now suddenly this charade of being shocked and offended. I'm sorry but it's laughable. (I'm not really laughing) Not the offensive comments but the giant pretense. It's like the emperor's new clothes. Somebody needs to stand up and say come on, you people, this is naked. The ONLY people who are NOW acting shocked or offended are Republicans who see their party going down the toilet due to the actions of a man of their own choosing. MOST MORAL people on this board have been SHOCKED and OFFENDED from the get-go. Hypocrisy? SNORT. That's rich. The Republicans made themselves Donald Trump's whore. NO one else. M~. I am so happy to see you feeling good and feisty and posting again.
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Post by eleezybeth on Oct 9, 2016 21:02:34 GMT
Raise your hand if your sexual assault was at the hand of a Christian. I remember mine fondly. How loving and Christian he was as he announced he was ready to beg forgiveness. His God is a forgiving God you see. His God died for his sins. After all hate the sin, love the sinner. I'm sure all those Catholic priests who were abusing little boys were also quite moral. The highest of Christians in their communities. So yes, the only morals remaining are those who are strong in their beliefs. Of course they are.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 9, 2016 21:02:49 GMT
There is NO MORAL COMPASS in this society except Christians and other people with perhaps a religion, and they are mocked for having a different standard or standing up against crude comments, statements, movies, etc. wait, what?! You lost me right there. I'm not sure you realize how patently offensive and downright unAmerican that statement is. And for the record, I don't watch raunchy TV or movies. I don't watch trashy videos. I don't watch reality TV. I think it's disgusting, and I think Donald Trump is disgusting, too. My husband, his brother, my brother, my father ... they didn't/don't speak that way. Not in front of me, not behind my back. Defending his filthy mouth as "all men do it" is not an attractive or believable stand to take.
I don't need to be a Christian or "perhaps" have some religion to have a moral compass.Conservative Christianity is not the standard I feel all Americans need to be striving to live by. I totally agree. My DH doesn't say or do those things either and he's not religious at all.
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Post by Nink on Oct 9, 2016 21:05:05 GMT
Raise your hand if your sexual assault was at the hand of a Christian. I remember mine fondly. How loving and Christian he was as he announced he was ready to beg forgiveness. His God is a forgiving God you see. His God died for his sins. After all hate the sin, love the sinner. I'm sure all those Catholic priests who were abusing little boys were also quite moral. The highest of Christians in their communities. So yes, the only morals remaining are those who are strong in their beliefs. Of course they are. Raises hand. In the 5th grade at my Christian elementary school by the school janitor. Oh, and the pastor made me apologize to him for "misunderstanding". So yeah, I'm not big on "Christian" morality either.
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Post by putabuttononit on Oct 9, 2016 21:06:42 GMT
Please direct me to all of your other posts where you have called out recording artists for their views because, honey, if there is NO MORAL AGENDA AND YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT, YOU CONDONE IT. She can't...she left here for awhile. Funny how she returned in time to talk politics. I didn't return to talk politics, it's my least favorite topic. I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, I don't see it as a political debate. I really want to see the perspective and hear an engaging dialogue about where we are as a culture. I find it encouraging that there are people who object. I'm not asking for anyone to defend themselves as individuals, I thought of this as a collective view. I can't know where anyone here stands, until you share. So thank you for being willing to discuss it. I find it an important discussion. Where IS the line? And who holds to it.
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