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Post by elaine on Oct 10, 2016 16:06:42 GMT
I am so sick of the condescending crap from the left in regards to Donald Trump. There are multiple women dating back to 1969 who allege that Bill Clinton either harrassed or sexually assaulted them. There are a couple women like Juanita Broaddrick who state that he flat out raped them. There's another Bill. Bill Cosby. Multiple women came forward about him sexually assaulting them. I believe them, and so do most other people I know. Where there is that much smoke, there's fire, and I believe the same about Bill Clinton. Bill Cosby is in disgrace, but Bill Clinton is not, and I believe that is because of the Clinton political machine. Hillary chose to defend him time after time for decades. Sorry, I just don't see her as a champion of women. I don't think she gives a crap about women as long as she gets her money and power. And that's not even counting all the other stuff that I think she's personally done that I think is morally wrong and corrupt. I don't think that her morals are ANY better than Donald Trump's, sorry. I can't stand Donald Trump. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and I totally can't stand her platform. She's liberal. DT's moderate. I'm conservative. So I'm voting for Donald Trump. Let me say this: Anyone can have morals. Morals are due to each individual's character and the choices they make. You can't make blanket statements about Christians or any other group of people. It will get you into trouble every.single.time. Jodster, with all due respect, you mentioned on another thread that you didn't listen to political chatter but only voted based on platform, and that is your prerogative. Please know that "the left's" dislike of Trump goes far beyond this latest issue. He has insulted Mexicans, Muslims, African Americans, war veterans and a gold star family. He has shown a complete lack of understanding of how government works, how military strategy works and indeed how the office of the president works. That's all before he ever got around to insulting and degrading women or threatening his political opponent on TV tonight. It's a little condescending of you to say that you don't listen to speeches or chatter and then come out swinging without any idea of the context under which most of us are operating. I suspect that if the worst thing you could say about Trump was his attitude toward women, he'd raise less ire, but he has repeatedly shown such contemptuous behavior and unfitness for the office that even his own party can't stand him. Many principled and conservative Christians I know are choosing to vote for McMillan or write someone in, or just sit this one out, rather than vote for Trump. This is not just about "the left" and our "condescending crap." As a mother of two kids with disabilities, one severe, the moment Trump did the following, I vowed to do everything I could to ensure he NOT be elected. Any person who can walk up to a podium with a microphone and an audience and mock someone who is disabled is, in my mind, the lowest of the low. And I truly don't understand how anyone can vote for someone who does that. If someone has so little respect for the disabled, it is no surprise that he mocks and is condescending to other groups of people who struggle for equal treatment in our society. All the subsequent offensive statements against latinos, African Americans, Muslims, women, etc., just further cement, for me, his complete and total lack of character. Look in the dictionary and you'll find Donald Trump's picture under the definition of "lack of moral compass." |
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Post by moodyblue on Oct 10, 2016 16:31:47 GMT
I have never liked Trump, even long before he entered the political arena, but the moment he mocked the reporter with a disability, he crossed a line that I don't think he can ever step back from with me. That was one of the most disgusting and disturbing things I've ever seen. I do believe that that moment showed us his true character - and I did NOT like what I saw.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 10, 2016 16:48:59 GMT
I am so sick of the condescending crap from the left in regards to Donald Trump. There are multiple women dating back to 1969 who allege that Bill Clinton either harrassed or sexually assaulted them. There are a couple women like Juanita Broaddrick who state that he flat out raped them. There's another Bill. Bill Cosby. Multiple women came forward about him sexually assaulting them. I believe them, and so do most other people I know. Where there is that much smoke, there's fire, and I believe the same about Bill Clinton. Bill Cosby is in disgrace, but Bill Clinton is not, and I believe that is because of the Clinton political machine. Hillary chose to defend him time after time for decades. Sorry, I just don't see her as a champion of women. I don't think she gives a crap about women as long as she gets her money and power. And that's not even counting all the other stuff that I think she's personally done that I think is morally wrong and corrupt. I don't think that her morals are ANY better than Donald Trump's, sorry. I can't stand Donald Trump. I can't stand Hillary Clinton, and I totally can't stand her platform. She's liberal. DT's moderate. I'm conservative. So I'm voting for Donald Trump. Let me say this: Anyone can have morals. Morals are due to each individual's character and the choices they make. You can't make blanket statements about Christians or any other group of people. It will get you into trouble every.single.time. Is Bill Cosby's wife to blame for his assaults? She defended her husband too. She believed him when he told her he was innocent of the allegations. She had no reason not to believe him. Wouldn't most wives believe their husbands and support them? No one would want to believe their husbands were capable of things he was accused of. I think her response was quite natural.
Hillary is no different. She is a wife who defended her husband.
Donald Trump ADMITTED and BOASTED he assaults women. And somehow because Hillary is married to Bill, this makes her actions worse?? That is some crazy and deplorable logic.
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Post by scrapsotime on Oct 10, 2016 17:42:07 GMT
You might want to clarify who those newly outraged are, because it can't be those of us who thought Trump was a vile human even before his TV show. Those of us that were outraged and spoke up when he disparaged other segments of the population. Who didn't wait for the one thing that might affect us personally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 18:09:12 GMT
I've disliked Trump since his braggart, carnival barker ways of the 1980s. But when he mocked that disabled reporter, I couldn't help but think of my own disabled husband. Who is the most ethical and smartest person I know. I've never sent a contribution to a politician EVER, but I sent a check to Hillary the next morning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 18:17:40 GMT
2peaornot2peaI can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Oct 10, 2016 18:24:52 GMT
I would respond but am too busy being an amoral atheist over here. You know, mocking disabled people, disparaging POWs, and grabbing some pussy. Yee-haw!
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Post by wholarmor on Oct 10, 2016 18:33:24 GMT
Does it help that I'm a Christian with moral convictions, and I think that Donald Trump is the last person on earth who should be president?
Aye. I'm sorry to all the non-Christians, and those without perhaps any religion. Some people make me embarrassed to be a Christian.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 10, 2016 18:47:14 GMT
Well isn't this a giant shitshow for the OP? I wager she thought she'd saunter in here with her sanctimonious bullshit and get pat after pat after pat on the back for making such enlightened plea for the masses. Could've worked if she'd gotten off her fucking high horse and remembered to not insult non-Christians and those who are not like her. Newsflash: Christians get a bad name from people who post shit like this. I can't take the religion seriously when bullshit like "only Christians have a moral compass and know how to do right" is posted. Why? Because I can't believe someone could be so narrow-minded and not have the ability to use logical and critical thinking when musing about stuff like whether people have a moral compass or not.
And really, I don't understand how anyone can vote for Trump. I really don't. How anyone can support that vile, vulgar man is beyond my understanding. There is nothing redeeming about him yet people are planning to vote for him because he claims to be "conservative". Blows my mind. I really don't get it. And at this rate, if he does get voted in, the shit show of proportions we have yet to see will be exactly what those voters deserve. I feel bad for the people who don't vote for him if he gets elected. For one, he's going to destroy the country and two, he's going to be out for revenge. Unless of course, that's the kind of government people actually want, but I have a hard time imagining that. But stranger shit has happened in this election... every time Trump opens his mouth.
For the record, I've been against this type of nonsense from Trump and other reality "stars" since it began. I haven't watched the Adam Levigne video in question, I'm not a huge fan of his music. That said, if that's what the theme of the video is then yes, it's wrong. I can be morally "right" without being Christian. It's called not being an asshole and doing right by others. You know that whole "do others as you would want done to you". Yeah, you don't need to be Christian to follow that. Most people don't need religion to be good people. But it sure seems like the OP doesn't believe that. Even with her acrobatics in backtracking.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 10, 2016 18:55:09 GMT
Some of us have issues with Mr. Trump's behavior and comments from the moment he started his run for the presidency. I have felt all along that his comments about everyone he considers 'other' have made me incredibly uncomfortable and I have not felt that he has the temperament (to borrow his phrase) to enter into any kind of relationship with foreign leaders. I was horrified by his remarks about Sen. McCain and his subsequent remarks about the military do not lead me to believe that he will use our military wisely. His view that women who have had abortions should be 'punished' in some form made me ill.
I could go on-mocking a man with disabilities, saying disparaging things about a family (who happens to be Muslims) who lost their son fighting for the US, grabbing a woman's pussy as if he owns it because he is a 'star'...I may not be the best Christian by some people's definition, but I have absolute faith that my moral compass is pointing in the right direction.
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Post by paperaddictedpea on Oct 10, 2016 18:57:44 GMT
2peaornot2pea I can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would. And yet you are voting for Donald Trump, who has openly admitted to assaulting women. I don't understand. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 10, 2016 19:28:42 GMT
I wonder if the "Christian's" ( the right ones) are on an email chain to spread their brand of sanctimonious moral code--just in the last 24 hrs., we've heard from putabuttononit, skypea, lynlam, all who share the same views, all who have been off the boards for awhile!!!! Someone asked for help. |
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Post by Nink on Oct 10, 2016 19:30:48 GMT
I wonder if the "Christian's" ( the right ones) are on an email chain to spread their brand of sanctimonious moral code--just in the last 24 hrs., we've heard from putabuttononit, skypea, lynlam, all who share the same views, all who have been off the boards for awhile!!!! Someone asked for help. By lighting up an elephant signal in the sky apparently. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 10, 2016 19:31:50 GMT
Amen. I'm so glad I live where I do. I've been able to protect my littles from the secular world of atheists, feminists and liberals who do nothing but promote rape culture, talk trash about women and feed their kiddos processed food. Clean air and a clean Jesus-loving heart give me a high vantage point to see the hypocritical masses below. I'm not judging or laughing. I'm just so saddened for all those poor souls that don't really know Jesus or the freedom of open carry.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 10, 2016 19:45:51 GMT
2peaornot2pea I can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would. And yet you are voting for Donald Trump, who has openly admitted to assaulting women. I don't understand. And cheated on multiple wives. |
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Post by gar on Oct 10, 2016 19:47:46 GMT
2peaornot2pea I can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would. And yet you are voting for Donald Trump, who has openly admitted to assaulting women. I don't understand. I believe, from a couple of peas who have answered this before, that they are looking beyond the man and voting for the conservative platform. While I understand their position to a point, I just cannot see how this can be done in this case. If you despise them both then look at this purely from a world perspective...how can he be seen as the better option? There's more at stake here than whether you support gay marriage or not! With such an extreme politician (and I use the term loosely) I just don't know how the man can be separated from the platform. |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 10, 2016 19:48:23 GMT
2peaornot2pea I can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would. But you will vote for a politician who admitted to sexually assaulting women? Interesting...... |
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Post by flanz on Oct 10, 2016 19:48:47 GMT
Bullshit. There are plenty of "Christians" who are despicable people. And plenty of non-religious people who are good and kind and decent, and who stand up for morals. I'm not religious at all, but I speak up when I see evil. Moral people will be moral no matter what their religion. If you need a religion to give you a moral compass, and the only reason you don't treat people poorly is because some deity might punish you, you're a crappy person. let me add that the men in my life don't talk like that. And they speak up when others do. I've played on hockey teams where I was the only woman and they didn't talk that way. I've also played on a team with a person going through sexual reassignment surgery and nobody put up with anyone talking about him in a bad way. None of them were particularly religious, but every one of them was a decent human being who knew right from wrong. if the men in your life talk like that and allow those around them to talk like that, perhaps the men in your life need to grow up. Amen!!! |
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Post by mzza111 on Oct 10, 2016 19:52:21 GMT
Dear putabuttononit , Please crawl back into your moral Christian hole. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Oct 10, 2016 19:55:13 GMT
2peaornot2pea I can't speak for HRC or Mrs. Cosby, but only for myself. I may give my dh the benefit of the doubt the first time he was accused of assault, but after that all bets would be off. I could never stay with someone accused of that multiple times. No.way. And I sure wouldn't be supporting them in a bid for political office, and I cannot respect any woman who would. But you will vote for a politician who admitted to sexually assaulting women? Interesting...... The same politician who cheated on both of his ex wives. |
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Post by raindancer on Oct 10, 2016 19:56:04 GMT
Of course I'm generalizing and there ARE moral people. But honestly people call themselves moral but have absolutely no issue with the disgusting crudeness we call entertainment. Christians too, yes so true. I myself have lowered my standards more than once because I want to be entertained and it's extremely difficult to even find a movie that would be classified "clean". I've left theaters ten minutes after the movie started, before, and drove home eating my movie popcorn..disappointed we can't be offered better cinema. I can't speak for everyone and I'm genuinely thrilled and happy if there are more who object than I've given credit to. It's not been my experience. People like you you mean? Because I don't judge another persons morality, I meet people where they are. Is judging other people to be less than you for not espousing your exact ideas part of your moral compass? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 20:02:44 GMT
With such an extreme politician (and I use the term loosely) I just don't know how the man can be separated from the platform. The kicker is that Trump doesn't have a platform. Given his political track record, how anyone can seriously believe that he'll uphold the Republican platform is mind-boggling. He's not a Republican. He's not even a conservative. He can't even give a direct answer on domestic or foreign policy without resorting to rants on evil Hillary/Bill/Obama. If he did manage to get elected, does anyone actually believe that he'd suddenly morph into a level-headed, knowledgeable, coherent President? Really, seriously?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 20:11:34 GMT
There are two people running for president. Both who I find to be equally deplorable. I would never vote for Hillary based on her policy agenda, as I've said here before. I also do not want her to appoint the next Supreme Court Justices.
So, based on the political platform that Trump is running on vs. the one that Hillary is running on, I will vote for Trump.
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Post by gypsymama on Oct 10, 2016 20:17:29 GMT
maybe i missed it, but what exactly IS his platform? i'm sure its tremendous and the best platform ever...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 21:00:07 GMT
I don't agree with everything in the OP but I do agree with the general premise that the level of shock and outrage is somewhat hypocritical.  It makes no logical sense why anyone who would be outraged (rightfully so) about people dismissing/making excuses for Trump's vile and disgusting things he said about forcing himself on women, would then turn around and dismiss/make excuses for Clinton allegedly actually DOING those things. I also don't understand why the deplorables Trump surrounds himself with and who support him show that he should not be allowed to lead this country, but when equally deplorable people surround Hillary, support her or are married to her, those inexplicably don't count in showing she shouldn't be allowed to lead the country. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 10, 2016 21:20:56 GMT
With such an extreme politician (and I use the term loosely) I just don't know how the man can be separated from the platform. The kicker is that Trump doesn't have a platform. Given his political track record, how anyone can seriously believe that he'll uphold the Republican platform is mind-boggling. He's not a Republican. He's not even a conservative. He can't even give a direct answer on domestic or foreign policy without resorting to rants on evil Hillary/Bill/Obama. If he did manage to get elected, does anyone actually believe that he'd suddenly morph into a level-headed, knowledgeable, coherent President? Really, seriously? Not to mention his efficacy. He clearly has no clue as to how Congress works, he doesn't understand how a law is made. Really he could use a little school house rock. Even with a Republican House and Senate I can not imagine he can rally support for his platform, they won't even support his run for the White house. |
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Post by inkedup on Oct 10, 2016 21:22:39 GMT
There are two people running for president. Both who I find to be equally deplorable. I would never vote for Hillary based on her policy agenda, as I've said here before. I also do not want her to appoint the next Supreme Court Justices. So, based on the political platform that Trump is running on vs. the one that Hillary is running on, I will vote for Trump. So, it's only wrong to stay with your cheating spouse if said spouse is a Democrat. on the one hand, you deride HC for staying with Bill because he is supposedly so immoral, but you admit that you support Trump. I guess morality is subjective. |
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Post by putabuttononit on Oct 10, 2016 21:30:32 GMT
Well isn't this a giant shitshow for the OP? I wager she thought she'd saunter in here with her sanctimonious bullshit and get pat after pat after pat on the back for making such enlightened plea for the masses. Could've worked if she'd gotten off her fucking high horse and remembered to not insult non-Christians and those who are not like her. Newsflash: Christians get a bad name from people who post shit like this. I can't take the religion seriously when bullshit like "only Christians have a moral compass and know how to do right" is posted. Why? Because I can't believe someone could be so narrow-minded and not have the ability to use logical and critical thinking when musing about stuff like whether people have a moral compass or not. And really, I don't understand how anyone can vote for Trump. I really don't. How anyone can support that vile, vulgar man is beyond my understanding. There is nothing redeeming about him yet people are planning to vote for him because he claims to be "conservative". Blows my mind. I really don't get it. And at this rate, if he does get voted in, the shit show of proportions we have yet to see will be exactly what those voters deserve. I feel bad for the people who don't vote for him if he gets elected. For one, he's going to destroy the country and two, he's going to be out for revenge. Unless of course, that's the kind of government people actually want, but I have a hard time imagining that. But stranger shit has happened in this election... every time Trump opens his mouth. For the record, I've been against this type of nonsense from Trump and other reality "stars" since it began. I haven't watched the Adam Levigne video in question, I'm not a huge fan of his music. That said, if that's what the theme of the video is then yes, it's wrong. I can be morally "right" without being Christian. It's called not being an asshole and doing right by others. You know that whole "do others as you would want done to you". Yeah, you don't need to be Christian to follow that. Most people don't need religion to be good people. But it sure seems like the OP doesn't believe that. Even with her acrobatics in backtracking. You misquoted me. Don't use quotes unless it's actually accurate. What you quoted is not what I said, nor is it what I meant. I was talking about our current culture and how far it has sunk in regards to decency and the way that women are treated, used, exploited, and thought of. Peas notwithstanding, I was talking about a much bigger picture, mainly Hollywood and what is accepted as entertainment these days, as well as mainstream media and social media. I still think it's a good discussion to have, and a worthwhile one. I think it's a positive step in the right direction to talk about it, and as a society question if it's time to say enough already. Women deserve better. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 21:36:12 GMT
I don't agree with everything in the OP but I do agree with the general premise that the level of shock and outrage is somewhat hypocritical. I also don't understand why the deplorables Trump surrounds himself with and who support him show that he should not be allowed to lead this country, but when equally deplorable people surround Hillary, support her or are married to her, those inexplicably don't count in showing she shouldn't be allowed to lead the country. The difference surely is, one is a voluntary confession and the latter is an allegation made by third party accusers and as yet not proven. @mytnice I have to admit I'm at a loss to understand that if what you keep insisting is true, because you keep bringing it up. why has there not been a full investigation and a court trial in respect of these allegations against BC? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 21:36:24 GMT
You misquoted me. Don't use quotes unless it's actually accurate. What you quoted is not what I said, nor is it what I meant. I was talking about our current culture and how far it has sunk in regards to decency and the way that women are treated, used, exploited, and thought of. Peas notwithstanding, I was talking about a much bigger picture, mainly Hollywood and what is accepted as entertainment these days, as well as mainstream media and social media. I still think it's a good discussion to have, and a worthwhile one. I think it's a positive step in the right direction to talk about it, and as a society question if it's time to say enough already. Women deserve better. Yet you derided everyone for criticizing Donald Trump's treatment of women. There are not enough eye rolls. You keep claiming that you want to talk about society in general yet YOU are the one who made it all about politics and your (perceived) religious superiority. Also, where exactly are you misquoted? YOU are the one who said this: |
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