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Post by justcindy on Oct 11, 2016 20:08:07 GMT
Hi ladies!
I bet you can tell what my dilemma is from my title. I already have one ex girlfriend in a ton of photos from a family vacation that I have yet to put into an album. (they dated almost two years, it wasn't a light decision to invite her along.) I've pulled all the couple-y type pictures, but there's a few that are once in a lifetime photos - we went scuba diving and she's in a couple of group photos. AURGHHHEHHH!!!!! It's so frustrating!! what do yall do in these situations? I have half a mind to not invite anyone on vacation with us unless they are already married, or a friend of the same gender. But we've already crossed that line a couple of times, and don't see how we can retreat.
And also...going forward....I currently have two sons dating two lovely girls that have been on short trips with us....they are all still together.....I'm thinking two things right now.....One, is to scrap it as it happened, with the girls, and if they break up, just take the freakin' pictures out. Two, is to scrap the trips as if they didn't go at all, so no matter what happens in the future, I won't have to worry about it. The pissy part of me wants to do that. Just because I am bummed about having to trash so many pictures from an epic trip to another country, and I want to save myself the trouble of having to tear an album apart if/when it happens again.
Sorry this is all over the place, I just am itching to do these vacations and don't know how to go about it! What have yall done in situations like this?
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Post by justcindy on Oct 11, 2016 20:10:07 GMT
so, stupid bit of useless trivia.....we were in the airport waiting to board our flight to come home from said epic vacation when I found out about 2peas closing....LOL!!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 11, 2016 20:23:08 GMT
I don't revise history in my documentation. If you had scrapped the pictures right after the vacation you would have included them. She was a part of the experience. I would include those one of a kind pictures even with her in them. I would include journaling with her name and her status as DS' girlfriend. No different than if they were still together. It's a snapshot of a moment in time as it happened. If you were always current in your scrapbooking, would you go back and remove all the people who are no longer in your life? It's not a true representation of the time, which, isn't that the point of this hobby?
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Post by mom on Oct 11, 2016 20:30:13 GMT
I would probably not include a crap ton of couple photos, but everything else? It all goes in the album. I refuse to rewrite history.
I really dont see the big deal about leaving them in the album. They went. They took photos with you. It happens.
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Post by anniefb on Oct 11, 2016 20:53:58 GMT
I would probably not include a crap ton of couple photos, but everything else? It all goes in the album. I refuse to rewrite history. I really dont see the big deal about leaving them in the album. They went. They took photos with you. It happens. I agree.
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Post by Kerri W on Oct 11, 2016 21:02:37 GMT
I would probably not include a crap ton of couple photos, but everything else? It all goes in the album. I refuse to rewrite history. I really dont see the big deal about leaving them in the album. They went. They took photos with you. It happens. Ditto. We have had exes in various forms in our albums. To be really honest, if my kid threw a fit about the pictures being included in the album we would probably have a gentle conversation about maturity and if you aren't mature enough to deal then maybe you aren't mature enough to date/take a date on a family vacation. Extreme situations not withstanding of course.
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Post by mom on Oct 11, 2016 21:07:53 GMT
I would probably not include a crap ton of couple photos, but everything else? It all goes in the album. I refuse to rewrite history. I really dont see the big deal about leaving them in the album. They went. They took photos with you. It happens. Ditto. We have had exes in various forms in our albums. To be really honest, if my kid threw a fit about the pictures being included in the album we would probably have a gentle conversation about maturity and if you aren't mature enough to deal then maybe you aren't mature enough to date/take a date on a family vacation. Extreme situations not withstanding of course. I completely agree. And both of my sons know this from the get go. Regardless of how you feel about someone now - at some point they were a big part of your life and should be included. Now, if there were issues of abuse or something, I would not include them. But I probably wouldnt even make the album to be honest.
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Post by kristi on Oct 11, 2016 21:12:28 GMT
I would include them because they were part of the trip & memories.
When we take friends on vacation,I have some photos of just family, some of the friends, some of all of us & some individuals. It has never been an issue & is nice to have that extra person take family photos.
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Post by amom23 on Oct 11, 2016 21:39:30 GMT
I would probably not include a crap ton of couple photos, but everything else? It all goes in the album. I refuse to rewrite history. I really dont see the big deal about leaving them in the album. They went. They took photos with you. It happens. This is how I handle it too.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 11, 2016 21:39:33 GMT
I am bummed about having to trash so many pictures from an epic trip to another country, I would not trash them. Any chance of getting someone to photoshop girlfriend out of the photos?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:43:29 GMT
I don't know what I would do, but you should do whatever makes you happy. I would probably just scrap the pics without thm, especially if it was a bad breakup. In the future, I would concentrate on getting pics of scenery and looking for opportunities to get pics of people when they are alone.
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Post by jtmom on Oct 11, 2016 22:18:43 GMT
I think it depends on the situation. This just came up for me as well as I am working on DD from last year. I asked my DS who just broke up with GF he dated for over a year if he cares if she is in the album or would he prefer I don't include her. He said he would appreciate if I was selective and only put those photos that really mattered to me telling our family story. He also asked I not be over sentimental in journaling any photos of her as someday his future wife would be looking at these albums.
Im trying to decide what to do with the couple photos I have, I am thinking maybe its best to just put them in an envelope and then if he wants them later they are there. I personally don't care about them. The only ones I do care about are the school related such as homecoming, prom etc. and those will go in his school album.
Ask your kids and see if they care.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 11, 2016 22:59:52 GMT
My guess is that the end of that relationship still stings a little (and that's ok). I'm not a big fan of having pictures of exes lying around and I tend to be careful with not letting my identity and life experiences be taken over by my relationship/my status as half of a couple when I document my life. However, I also believe that the circumstances your relationship ended in will dictate in part how you feel about your ex and her featuring in your albums...
If you and your ex ended things in not too horrible a manner, you should be alright with her being depicted as a participant in certain pictures after setting aside the more romantic shots. If you're struggling with this, then you may want to take some time to find closure within yourself before scrapping those pictures and taking a trip down memory lane. Even if you find a manner to Photoshop her out of every single shot, your head and heart will still be troubled by the memories of this vacation together and it's more important to focus on healing first.
If you broke up for particularly difficult reasons and her role in how and why your relationship ended was really bad, then you can go several ways: 1. Scrap with those pictures and try to find some form of healing and acceptance of what happened in the process of putting the pages together. 2. Scrap without any pictures she's in and find a way to stop blaming her for not including those photos. I do believe you're in your rights to not include her if you're so uncomfortable with the idea. However, you are in control of your life now and it's a good thing to put on those big girl pants and make some decisions without feeling the need to refer to another party to blame. Don't include any pics with her at all? Fine. But take responsbility for it and don't wander down the oh-if-only-she-was-not-in-that-group-photo-ugh-whyyyy path. 3. Scrap with the idea of possible full closure in the future. This is not the most practical approach and not what I would recommend except if you know you're the kind of person who takes longer to recover and who might end up changing their mind later on. If so, you either set the pictures aside and make layouts later on should you wish to. Or if you're using pocket pages, simply work out for a few pages (keep the number down as much as possible!) where you'd put the currently dreaded photos and journaling but fill them at the moment with something else that you'd be ok to see go if you do have a change of heart about it later on (a slightly redundant landscape/detail shot, a picture of something that feels more like filler than something important).
As for your sons: scrap as things happen. Perhaps don't over-document their current relationship statuses and keep it simple until they're further along into the relationship. But breakups and divorces happen. It's hard to figure out who you are afterwards and how many reminders of that person you wish to keep. I don't think revising history is a great thing but I also firmly believe documenting should be first and foremost about someone (you or your children), not who they are in relationship to people who are not "permanent fixtures" in their life. Not to say you shouldn't include romantic partners but it's good to remind yourself to keep the focus on the key people overall and to not over-associate them with their current relationship when you journal/document about them.
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Post by FurryP on Oct 12, 2016 0:23:08 GMT
so, stupid bit of useless trivia.....we were in the airport waiting to board our flight to come home from said epic vacation when I found out about 2peas closing....LOL!! Sometimes useless trivia is interesting. I think I will go start a thread.
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Post by justcindy on Oct 12, 2016 2:00:07 GMT
Great advice and points everyone, thank you so much for your perspective!
I agree with most of it...the sticking point with this particular vacation/girl/situation is actually the CURRENT girlfriend. I have a large variety of group shots as well as scenery shots. The thing is that current girlfriend is extremely sensitive about ex girlfriend, because they did date for a couple of years and we as a family ended up getting pretty close with her. Current girlfriend has been around for a year now, and they have had a bumpy relationship from the get go. I will honor my sons wishes for not including "cuddly couple pictures" but damn man, she was our friend too.
I agree with just stating facts and not doing any gushy journaling. If I go by current girlfriends thoughts, she won't be in any damn album either and I can guarantee that will be a problem for her. I know, they are my albums and I should say screw it and do what I want, but DS thinks she might be "the one" so, I have to tread carefully.
Sorry this is turning into more of a therapy session than I intended....I guess the short version is I know I should just do whatever I want (within reason and respect) but but current girlfriend may be around permanently and I want to be a good mother in law in the long run, ya know?
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 12, 2016 2:23:43 GMT
We have taken the gf to Jamaica and Mexico. I have told both of them that they will be in the books regardless of their dating status. I do my books (fifty pagers) when I get home from the vacation and give each kiddo a copy. What she does with hers is her business. Thankfully this gf has been in the picture for almost 7 years, and if they do break up, she represents a huge part of his life. I won't change the books. It is what it is. Now if I hadn't scrapped the pictures already, I would be much more selective if possible but also recognize that she was with us. I personally enjoy her just as much as I do my son on these trips.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Oct 12, 2016 8:55:57 GMT
My philosophy is, life is like a book. All the sentences, paragraphs, pages, chapters, characters, etc... comprise our whole story.
Some paragraphs and some chapters are wonderful, some are good, some are horrendous, some are adventurous, some boring and mundane. Some of the characters of your book.....are in it for a moment, some for awhile, some for a lifetime. People come, people go. All of the characters, have their place in your history.
Just because, someone may no longer be in your life....you don't tear out those pages of your book. History is finite. It is what it is.
I would, include the photos in the scrapbook.
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Post by eescrap on Oct 12, 2016 12:32:29 GMT
I scrapbook it all. This person was a part of the memories. BUT if it was an absolutely UGLY breakup then go with the post it or stick a cute vacation type sticker on her face.
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Post by guzismom on Oct 12, 2016 17:03:59 GMT
I don't revise history in my documentation. If you had scrapped the pictures right after the vacation you would have included them. She was a part of the experience. I would include those one of a kind pictures even with her in them. I would include journaling with her name and her status as DS' girlfriend. No different than if they were still together. It's a snapshot of a moment in time as it happened. If you were always current in your scrapbooking, would you go back and remove all the people who are no longer in your life? It's not a true representation of the time, which, isn't that the point of this hobby? I agree with this. As to the "sensitive current girlfriend"...that is not really your problem; and it's bigger than scrapbooking/not scrapbooking a photo.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 12, 2016 18:23:35 GMT
justcindy you call it a therapy session? I call it eye opening advice for those of us with sons in the early years of dating and scrapping Thanks!
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 12, 2016 19:01:45 GMT
We always joke that the in-laws have to stand on the end for family photos, so we can crop them out! This is in DH's family, so I am the in-law.
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Post by Lori McMud on Oct 13, 2016 16:32:31 GMT
We always joke that the in-laws have to stand on the end for family photos, so we can crop them out! This is in DH's family, so I am the in-law. That was going to be my advice for the future - Have the stand on the edges so you can crop them out. I am the mom to 2 boys, so I may have to implement this.
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 13, 2016 16:59:19 GMT
I am currently scrapping my years in California and I am actually including my first marriage. I took out any photos that were just of my ex by himself, but if I am in them or other people I scrapped them. now my first wedding was in Las Vegas and the pics were with a point and shoot so it's not like I had a formal wedding album. But my mom, sister, brother and other relatives are in those photos and I looked good.
In my sons' books I included all their previous girlfriends and if someday they want to toss those pics or layouts they can.
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Post by grammadee on Oct 24, 2016 17:34:05 GMT
Great advice and points everyone, thank you so much for your perspective! I agree with most of it...the sticking point with this particular vacation/girl/situation is actually the CURRENT girlfriend. I have a large variety of group shots as well as scenery shots. The thing is that current girlfriend is extremely sensitive about ex girlfriend, because they did date for a couple of years and we as a family ended up getting pretty close with her. Current girlfriend has been around for a year now, and they have had a bumpy relationship from the get go. I will honor my sons wishes for not including "cuddly couple pictures" but damn man, she was our friend too. I agree with just stating facts and not doing any gushy journaling. If I go by current girlfriends thoughts, she won't be in any damn album either and I can guarantee that will be a problem for her. I know, they are my albums and I should say screw it and do what I want, but DS thinks she might be "the one" so, I have to tread carefully. Sorry this is turning into more of a therapy session than I intended....I guess the short version is I know I should just do whatever I want (within reason and respect) but but current girlfriend may be around permanently and I want to be a good mother in law in the long run, ya know? Scrap the photos you want to scrap. She WAS your friend too, and at that point she felt like part of the family. Now I wouldn't include those pages in an album you might create to display at his wedding (to whomever that might be) LOL, but for your own albums, scrap the experience of the vacation. And keep taking photos of your kids with their SO's. Some may be around for awhile. Some may be gone with time. And being married is not always permanent, so you may end up with pages about ex wives as well. Have fun. Scrap it the way you want it. Let current gf deal with her own insecurities. It's not like she can rewrite history.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 25, 2016 16:15:55 GMT
justcindy you call it a therapy session? I call it eye opening advice for those of us with sons in the early years of dating and scrapping Thanks! Right? This hasn't happened yet (we don't take many trips and my sons haven't had anyone serious enough to invite along), but I can see it coming and this definitely has brought up something it wouldn't have occurred to me to think about! That can be the benchmark when my sons ask if a SO can come on a trip: are they important enough to be included in the scrapbook? Forever.
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Post by onlywork2scrap on Oct 25, 2016 18:15:03 GMT
My friend had beach pics with the ex-husband in a couple of pics. She put a crab sticker over his head. Worked great and made him look a lot better, haha.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 26, 2016 0:03:21 GMT
my husband has a gazillion pictures of one girlfriend. It was during his photography phase and she was the usual subject. When i get back to those years i plan to put her in the albums.
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Post by smcast on Oct 28, 2016 0:26:29 GMT
I have a girlfriend that says to scrap things in the past as they were in the moment. Don't worry if those people aren't in your life now. They were important at the time.
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