azredhead
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Post by azredhead on Oct 12, 2016 1:04:51 GMT
Poor Duke has been to the vet. Right now they are saying the pain is arthritis. And no muscle in one of his hips. He was walking on it with pressure but gingerly. They ruled out Valley Fever and anything being broken or sprained.He had no fever period. Eats fine and every other way seems normal. He had started on the Melocoxicam and Glucosamine and now we've added the Tramadol. We're doing two just to get the pain under control. They even gave him a pain shot because he was really hurting when they were checking him over. That helped take the edge off and they could check his nails and everything without sedation. Thought for sure they were going to so they could figure it out. But since we've been to his last visit (which was Monday) his legs seems to have gotten worse. He does not get up unless we bribe him. That scares me. We're also altering between heat packs or ice packs. He seems to like the ice better. Do I take him back in and go the next step for more blood work? Or wait and see if the meds work? They said it can take up to two weeks before the meds really start to help. Today his pains better but his walking is not. His poor leg just gives out on him. You can tell it frustrates him. Dh has had to try to help him up once or twice but he wants to do it on his own. He's 5 almost 6. It seems awfully young for hip issues already. He does get up on our small sofa just fine but has some trouble getting down. I try not to let him if I can catch him. I haven't figured out how to block it totally off. He also did a poop when he stepped on the scale at the vet. They were relieved that he poops ok. lol and it was normal. What have you tried that works if you've been through this with your furry ones? Can I ask the age of your pet if they started getting issues? Our friends dog got it a lot later. He was a black lab too. Should I wait and see how he mends or get a sec opinion even? Dh asked that last night? I am hoping once the pain is under control we can work on the muscles. Doc said to have him walk up and down the hall when he can. Not doing walks just yet. **SmUpdate 10/13 Duke is doing a little better today. He has a good appetite and has been drinking like a fish since we took him off the tramadol. It was rough night though for all of us because he didn't know what was going on. He did try to drag himself down the hall so he could come to bed with us, he would not let us help him. I even slept on the floor for some of the night with him so he wouldn't try to come down. But he wanted to be in by his bed. And that just wears him out. I talked to the vet we're going to switch out the melixicam for prednisone and and other muscle relaxer. (I can't remember the name) He says its good he's responsive and alert he just didn't tolerate the tramadol well.So we're hoping he does better with the two new ones. He's still doing the supplements as well. I alter between heat and ice and massaging his back and legs. That helps a lot. Vet said it was also good he's responding to the massages.And has his senses. I hope we can control this . And thank you for sharing your experience! It really does help! **NEW UPDATE 10/17 We finally have his pain under control. He's on muscle relaxers and one-three tramadol depending on how he does. Friday and Sat were rough so we took him in Sat morning. I thought something was very wrong. He was not responding at all. We had to lift him in a sheet to get him in and out of the car. It took three people to help us get him out of the car. We tested him for Lyme disease. We don't normally get the ticks here but Dh had been camping and and we had been out of state but it had been a while. However we had a cousin who had also been and he was the one who stayed with them them when we went out of state. It was when we got back we noticed the decline. I got the call about an hour the test was very positive for Lyme disease. Even the vet was relieved and shocked as us. Our other concern was that he had a spine issue. IVDD. On Sat we started him on the antibiotics. He still had a rough day yesterday but today he seems to be doing much better. He actually stretched out his back legs this morning. Dr said we hopefully caught it early enough and can treat it. It's about a four-six week recovery. He'll see him again in 10days when he runs out of antibiotics and see if we need to up them them or keep him on them and the pain meds and reevaluate him then.
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Post by mom on Oct 12, 2016 1:10:35 GMT
I would call my vet and ask them what they want you to do. His symptoms are really concerning for me (and you as well).
We have mini dachshunds and our vet usually tells us we can expect to see some improvement within 2-3 days. But if I want completely ok with how our dogs were acting, I know they would want me to call.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 12, 2016 1:51:03 GMT
Has he had a recent Lyme vaccine? It sounds very similar to our golden lab, at the exact same age.
I would call the vet. The increasing weakness would concern me. A lot. Hopefully it's just a pulled ligament, which takes a long while to heal.
Lyme tests can have a false negative. A course of antibiotics may not hurt.
Our golden lab was on glucosamine, then Rimadyl (which she didn't tolerate long term), Duramax, then Tramadol, then monthly Adequan injections. By the end she was getting the Adequan injections every 3 days. Rough on the kidneys and liver, but we didn't have s lot of choice by then. But she lived here vet 7 more years after the initial symptoms. We lost her at 13 1/2 years to cancer, so she had a good long life.
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Post by buddysmom on Oct 12, 2016 2:06:57 GMT
Five seems really young for this to happen. Our Golden Retriever, Buddy, started having problems, limping, etc when he was about nine months old. We took him to our vet who recommended an ortho surgeon who recommended that we take him to our state's "premier" hospital that had a canine affiliate who recommended a bilateral hip replacement. We were considering changing to a new vet, took him there. This vet (who is still our vet 15+ years later) said he would outgrow it but it would come back when he was old. He was completely correct. He outgrew it and was a great, great dog, about 125 lbs at his peak. He was about 11 1/2 when it came back and we had to put him down
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Post by FurryP on Oct 12, 2016 2:13:40 GMT
Whatever it is, I hope you find something that works to alleviate his pain. Poor puppy.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Oct 12, 2016 13:28:25 GMT
Www.helpemup.comWe have a yellow lab, who is 11. He has arthritis and inflammation. We have just started him on Tramadol and he seems to responding well. He has also had two sessions of acupuncture. We aren't sure that has helped, but we aren't sure it hasn't. I have placed the url, the acupuncture vet gave us, to get Max a harness. He has a hard time getting up. Specifically, his back legs. We haven't ordered yet, but I plan to as I believe it will help. We do not let him jump into the car. We always lift him. But, he is 100 pounds and a couple weeks ago, I couldn't get him out of the car. DH had to come home to help me. If he had the harness, I would have been ok. Max has had issues for 3 or 4 years or so, but his spirit is so willing. This dog loves life and the vet said, as long as he wants to go on walks, take him. He goes at least a mile a day. (Between morning and evening walks) I'm sorry to hear about your Duke, he is so young. So, acupuncture is an idea to try. Also, adequan is another drug that may help. The acupuncture vet said Tramadol is the first thing to try, but there are other options too, as dogs, like humans, react differently to different drugs. She was wanting us to know, that we still have options, so that is what I'm trying to convey to you. Please keep us updated, and I hope Duke is doing better!
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Post by teacherlisa on Oct 12, 2016 13:35:30 GMT
look into turmeric. There are some FB groups as well as a ton of info online. It works for people too
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Post by MsKnit on Oct 12, 2016 14:00:24 GMT
We have a yellow lab. Her hip issues didn't start until around 8 years old, maybe 7. She has also torn her ACLs. One of them was repaired. I so wish we had done both as the vet suggested. We decided against doing both because the first operation and recovery seemed to take its toll. A little over a year after the surgery, it became apparent the operation helped her tremendously.
We give her glucosamine (sp?) and something else.
We just found out that she has Lyme disease last week. So, she's being treated for that.
She's 10 1/2. She worries me.
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Post by azredhead on Oct 12, 2016 23:10:45 GMT
He's s not getting up at all today. He got a tramadol this morning about 5. He did go out last night with lots of struggle. But after we gave the dose this morning he did not want to get up at all. He slept most of the morning. He is a little more alert now and he's eaten and everything else but he did have an accident in the house because he can't get up. He's too drugged up. I talked ot the vet this morning as well we're not going to give him his pm tramadol. I don't know that we could even get him up to take him in right now. So we're going to give it 24hrs with no meds to see if we can get him up. We even tried his leash and his harness. Which normal he gets really excited. He ate fine he acts fine otherwise just doesn't want to move. He even acted like him same self when Amazon dropped off his omega 3 vitamins LOL. Did his normal bark and hey someone's here. waggin his tail. I hope there is other options to manage his pain. teacherlisa I will ask about the tumeric. I saw it online when I was getting the Omega3 stuff.
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Post by bigbundt on Oct 12, 2016 23:28:02 GMT
Our golden had similar issues. He was on medication and glucosimine chews and it did help. The vet also suggested accupuncture, walking, and weekly physical hydrotherapy would help but we opted out of everything but the walking. He lasted a couple more years ramping up medicine until we hit the point where the vet said that is all we can do. Eventually he would just stay in one place all day and just poop where he was laying. We put him down this afternoon.
But six seems awfully young, our dog was almost 16. I would call back and see about more aggressive options or call another one. We actually did switch vets in the middle of all of this because we felt his new one was a better fit with our pet parenting philosophy and gave us more options and ideas.
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Post by azredhead on Oct 12, 2016 23:36:32 GMT
bigbundt I'm so sorry!! I know how hard that is!! We had little ones before this that lived 15yrs. Lost one to cancer and one just old age. They are all we have. I am totally intrested in the hydro therapy. He loves the water now. He hated it till we got his sister. He loves to just sit on the top steps. I think that would be lot easier on him too. I'm going to ask about that as well and see what they offer. The ony other vet they've seen is the one where they got their shots. Otherwise it's just the one we've been seeing.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Oct 12, 2016 23:53:10 GMT
One of my boys takes a low dose daily steroid Temaril-P for inflammation. Party from his cocker ears and partly for arthritis in his hips. He has been on it for 1.5 years and it has done wonders. He use to go in about ever 2 weeks for laser treatment at our vets till he started this. Now he almost never needs the laser therapy. He has not had ny adverse affects from the med at this point.
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Post by jesq on Oct 13, 2016 0:14:17 GMT
I hope you can find something that helps him. It's no fun to see your baby in pain.
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azredhead
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Post by azredhead on Oct 14, 2016 1:29:38 GMT
btt update in the op..
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Post by originalvanillabean on Oct 14, 2016 3:20:21 GMT
Glad to see your update and to know he is feeling a bit better!
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Post by gailoh on Oct 14, 2016 10:11:55 GMT
Hope all gets figured out...prednisone be careful with...it also can weaken bone if used long term I believe...
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Post by scrappintoee on Oct 14, 2016 11:15:53 GMT
awww......poor Duke!!! I hope he gets better!!! It's so hard to see our babies suffering! Our very elderly guy has arthritis and limps most of the time; but not always. We started him on glucosamine/ chondroitin chews about 3 months ago, but we honestly can't tell if they've helped. I massage him almost every night, and of course he relaxes and I think it helpshim sleep better, but I don't know if it helps his limping. Thanks for mentioning Temaril-P, @polargreen....I'm going to ask our vet aboutthat. Our 5 1/2 year old girl has been on Adequan injections, as otherpeople mentioned. Although she's not on it for the same reasons asDuke's issues, I've heard nothing but good things about it. I wonderif that might help him? (she's on it for minor arthritis in her hips,and she also has a subluxating patella; i.e. "floating" kneecap). The vet also has her on Previcox daily, and although it's helpedher, I hate that it has side effects; but then, most things do! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------bigbundt .....So very sorry about your baby!!! ((( hugs )))
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Post by PepsiGal on Oct 14, 2016 14:46:33 GMT
We took our almost 100 pound Golden to the vet on Wednesday for dry skin and his hind legs giving way. We were told he has hip dysplasia and arthritis of the spine. Pepper was given prednisone and we have been on it for three days - he is better but not normal. When we left the vet, he was okay but when we got home and he jumped out of the SUV, his hind legs would not work. We gradually got him into the house by dragging him on a rug. After 5 long hours of not moving off the rug, he was able to walk outside which was a relief. Pepper will be 13 next month. Our thoughts go out to you, Duke and your family - we know some of what you are experiencing .
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Post by gryroagain on Oct 14, 2016 14:56:14 GMT
5 does seem young, to me. I'd ask for a test for Lyme- it mimics arthritis symptoms in joints.
Rymadyl is the gold standard for arthritis (if that is what it is), it help with inflammation and pain. Tramadol is only pain, and it loses effectiveness over time. I had a lab with arthritis on rymadyl for 6 years (9 when she started) and Tramadol was only the last 2 years when the pain got too bad for rymadyl to handle, rymadyl is an anti-inflammatory and helps in ways Tramadol cannot. Then I had a 10 year old Pyrenees with really horrible arthritis and he also got rymadyl- it made such a huge difference I can't describe! my lab had x rays that showed the arthritis in her shoulders and back, so it was obviously that. Have x rays been done?
I feel like this is a) not arthritis or b) not the correct treatment for arthritis if rymadyl has not been mentioned.
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Post by azredhead on Oct 14, 2016 17:31:14 GMT
PepsiGal - ahh that breaks my heart for you! We put him on a sheet and are able to move him that way! Picked up the Prednisolone and Methocabamol (a muscle relaxer/antiflammatory for the spine) so hopefully this will lessen some of the spasms. I hadn't heard of the 2nd one. Doc is gonna check in on him tomorrow. We're keepng him here for now since it's too hard to move him. Otherwise they would just moniter him for 24hrs. He did actually wag his tail last night which he hasn't done in two day! We were thrilled! gryroagain we'll do the xrays next if we don't see some improvement with the meds. He's off the tramadol all together(since that didn't work) and just on the two new ones. p.s. I'll ask about the rymadyl I forgot this morning.
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Post by PepsiGal on Oct 14, 2016 18:51:02 GMT
PepsiGal - ahh that breaks my heart for you! We put him on a sheet and are able to move him that way! Picked up the Prednisolone and Methocabamol (a muscle relaxer/antiflammatory for the spine) so hopefully this will lessen some of the spasms. I hadn't heard of the 2nd one. Doc is gonna check in on him tomorrow. We're keepng him here for now since it's too hard to move him. Otherwise they would just moniter him for 24hrs. He did actually wag his tail last night which he hasn't done in two day! We were thrilled! gryroagain we'll do the xrays next if we don't see some improvement with the meds. He's off the tramadol all together(since that didn't work) and just on the two new ones. p.s. I'll ask about the rymadyl I forgot this morning. It's remarkable what a wagging tail can do for you. Pepper normally sleeps with me but we don't want him jumping off the bed so now we are all 'camping' in the great room (which is also close to the patio door). The prednisone will increase Duke's appetite and his urination - but I'm sure your vet told you that. We were outside doing our business at 12:30 a.m. and this is a dog that can hold his for 12 hours at least. Still sending you and your family all the prayers and positive thoughts during this time.
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Post by azredhead on Oct 17, 2016 23:55:16 GMT
BTT update 10/17
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Post by originalvanillabean on Oct 18, 2016 0:05:25 GMT
Although not excited about Lyme, I am glad to know that you got an official diagnosis. Sending good vibes and a speedy recovery to Duke!
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Post by scrappintoee on Oct 18, 2016 9:11:13 GMT
Sooo happy to read that his pain is under control now; but sorry about the Lyme!! Hoping the treatment will go well !! ((( hugs )))
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 18, 2016 12:01:08 GMT
Wow, first time i'm reading this...poor baby, poor parents! It's not easy when your baby is sick.
One thing I have a solution for, for anyone with a pup they don't want jumping on/off the couch (my shih Tzu had back issues last winter and needed 6-8 weeks of "rest".) Toddler bedrails work on couches, lol. I bought them for mine and just slip them under the cushion. Found an extra long version that does my couch only leaving a gap where I place her stairs. She's forced to use the stairs instead of jumping.
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Post by Patter on Oct 18, 2016 12:35:16 GMT
Glad they figured it out and that he is better this morning. Praying each day is better! Hugs!
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Post by sphmaz on Oct 18, 2016 13:57:27 GMT
**NEW UPDATE 10/17 We finally have his pain under control. He's on muscle relaxers and one-three tramadol depending on how he does. Friday and Sat were rough so we took him in Sat morning. I thought something was very wrong. He was not responding at all. We had to lift him in a sheet to get him in and out of the car. It took three people to help us get him out of the car. We tested him for Lyme disease. We don't normally get the ticks here but Dh had been camping and and we had been out of state but it had been a while. However we had a cousin who had also been and he was the one who stayed with them them when we went out of state. It was when we got back we noticed the decline. I got the call about an hour the test was very positive for Lyme disease. Even the vet was relieved and shocked as us. Our other concern was that he had a spine issue. IVDD. On Sat we started him on the antibiotics. He still had a rough day yesterday but today he seems to be doing much better. He actually stretched out his back legs this morning. Dr said we hopefully caught it early enough and can treat it. It's about a four-six week recovery. He'll see him again in 10days when he runs out of antibiotics and see if we need to up them them or keep him on them and the pain meds and reevaluate him then. Our Rottie was diagnosed with Lyme about 6-7 years ago. We brought him in because he suddenly wouldn't use his back leg. First test was Lyme and he came back off the charts positive (in the vets words!). Immediately started a 30 day supply of antibiotics and after a few days he was doing SO much better. We ended up doing two rounds of antibiotics then he had to go back for testing every few months. All in all, he had 4 courses of antibiotics over a 1 year period and then was tested yearly after that for about 3 years. He's been fine ever since. He's almost 12 now. Good luck to you Duke and hope he makes a 100% recovery!
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azredhead
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Post by azredhead on Oct 18, 2016 16:36:22 GMT
sphmaz when I talked to the vet yesterday he said he was off the charts as well and was actually quite shocked. We were not expecting it to be Lyme disease since he's had trouble with his hips in the past. He was floored that the numbers came back so high. Duke actually crawled into my lap yesterday. when I gave him his afternoon meds. He hasn't done that all week. So it's good to know he's being responsive again. I'm soo glad your guy came out ok!!
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Post by peano on Oct 18, 2016 16:55:40 GMT
Just saw your update and hopefully your Duke will feel better after he's been on antibiotics. I hate those ticks and their nasty diseases.
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