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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 18:55:29 GMT
When I was in J-school, I had a very old mentor (old meaning he was around when television news was in its infancy, which I realize makes me old now, too) who gave me one startling piece of advice: Don't vote. Yah, it's your civic duty, an American right, and so forth, but he said it was best if we never officially expressed our political preference.
Because once you vote, you have a dog in the hunt. It's more powerful than an opinion.
And he's right. I didn't vote for years. And when I finally started pulling the lever, I found myself mentally arguing with sources on issues like education, healthcare, insurance ... every business topic I covered fell back to someone's politics.
These days, my journalism colleagues are working the phones for Hillary Clinton. Previously, they did it for Barack Obama and didn't see anything wrong with that decision when I called them out on it.
So yah, I personally believe they are biased because it's how human beings work.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 16, 2016 19:05:58 GMT
I can't remember which kid it was, but they had an assignment that required them to pick three national news stories and watch the coverage/read the coverage by the major news outlets (CNN, FOX, BBC) and report on the similarities and the divergences. It was pretty interesting really, there was some fairly pronounced differences in the languages that was used to report the news stories. One news agency trended more toward biased language, one didn't at all, one tended to be a little more balanced than what is generally thought.
My personal opinion is that we can't help but have some bias just based on our own experiences. I tend to take a Venn Diagram kind of approach to the news and look at the intersections for what is closer to the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 19:41:15 GMT
Equal media time doesn't mean unbiased. Yes, our media IS biased and always has been. It can be as simple as what to cover, or not cover. Word choice can also play into an unconscious bias. Even our "main stream" media is biased. If you want the full story look for alternate news sources from a variety of positions. Has it never bothered you, or maybe never occurred to you, that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC all report nearly identical news stories with identical photos/film footage? I listen to more news than I watch (radio vs. TV) and there is one show that strings together the phrase du jour from all the media outlets and plays them back to back. Without fail, every single news outlet regardless of its political bent, uses the exact same phrasing for any particular news story. It's funny and disheartening all at the same time. I also notice by listening to news, that the tone in a reporter's voice can convey a lot. They may be using neutral words, but the tone can be anything but neutral. Save
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 21:14:10 GMT
I wanted to add that I do think that recently the media seems to be doing a pile-on to Trump. But again, it brings ratings in. As it did when Hilary was under fire for the emails and Benghazi. She just knows how to play the shush game better.
I think Hilary's advisers are telling her to lay low while Trump spews off his mouth making it worse for him, which in turn brings more negative media attention to him.
And I believe Hilary is crooked because, well, she's a politician.
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Post by Sam on Oct 16, 2016 21:23:43 GMT
I wanted to add that I do think that recently the media seems to be doing a pile-on to Trump. But again, it brings ratings in. As it did when Hilary was under fire for the emails and Benghazi. She just knows how to play the shush game better. I think Hilary's advisers are telling her to lay low while Trump spews off his mouth making it worse for him, which in turn brings more negative media attention to him. And I believe Hilary is crooked because, well, she's a politician. BUT we already know all about Benghazi, Clinton's issues with the women he (let's say 'allegedly' ) had affairs with and the investigation into her inability to use IT. that's almost 'old news' now as it's been done to death and, in the absence of new developments, has been done to death. In some respects, certain comments about Donald Trump 'would have been' old news as well - it's not the first time comments have been made about him or his proclivities. It just happens that every time an accusation is made against him, he chooses to act more like a child than a man, which fuels the fire of the media. Hilary is crooked because she's a politician and Trump is bent because of the business man he is. Good luck with the vote, folks, because I don't see many comments here about the PARTY people are voting for.
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Post by paget on Oct 16, 2016 21:48:48 GMT
The mainstream media is absolutely biased. I agree with what Lauren's said- that's it's just as much what they leave out as what they do report. Also, I put a lot of "blame" on them for giving us trump in the first place - they cove covered him more because it was better for ratings and didn't give equal Time to the other republican candidates during the primaries. I don't believe the election is rigged. I think some people working for each party are doing some shady things and/or some cheating- but rigged election? No.
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Post by verdepea on Oct 16, 2016 21:55:27 GMT
Equal media time doesn't mean unbiased. Yes, our media IS biased and always has been. It can be as simple as what to cover, or not cover. Word choice can also play into an unconscious bias. Even our "main stream" media is biased. If you want the full story look for alternate news sources from a variety of positions. Has it never bothered you, or maybe never occurred to you, that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC all report nearly identical news stories with identical photos/film footage? I think this a valid point and agree the media is biased as it has gatekeepers who decide what is news worthy and the influence of advertising dollars, ect. I rarely watch TV news. I listen to a publically funded radio in the morning, read internet websites from a variety of places, and learn from 2peas. Trump is educated and has a vast experience on how the media works and its biases. He had his own reality show, he's done countess interviews, he has hired advertise agencies to promote his numerous businesses, and he knows how quickly public perception can change overnight with language related to sex and race. He is his own worst enemy and refuses to acknowledge his part in this. He's not able to control things not going his way and is lashing out. I am worried about the undercurrent of racism and hate that is coming out of the shadows.
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Post by rickmer on Oct 16, 2016 22:01:11 GMT
i haven't read the replies but as an outsider looking in, i can absolutely see certain american media outlets lean (blatantly) left or right. we have it here too - i am aware of the bias going in so of course i read their editorials and news coverage understanding that. what surprised me recently is this disclaimer at the end of every article posted on huffington post referencing trump in this election: Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar,rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S. i was like ...whoa... haven't seen that before!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 22:02:29 GMT
Yes, they are all biased.
I watch two shows on MSNBC....Tamron Hall's show in the morning and I tape Rachel Maddow's in the evening, both on MSNBC unless some BIG world event has happened, then I usually switch between channels just to see how different the coverage of the event is on those channels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 22:05:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 22:08:49 GMT
I keep seeing this "warned Clinton" bullshit re: NYT and other news outlets. You know that's part of journalism, right? Contacting the subject of an article for comment? They contact Trump too, his campaign just doesn't bother commenting.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 17, 2016 1:42:19 GMT
I see the biggest difference is evidence vs opinion. Sure many people believe that.. but there is not the evidence to back it up. Well, hey-Newt Gingrich did say at the convention that opinion=evidence Oh damn... I forgot
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 17, 2016 1:47:27 GMT
and your sources??? Don't waste your time linking to them, because as in the past you base your opinions on sources that are routinely discredited.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 17, 2016 2:13:39 GMT
I've been watching this from a sort of neutral standpoint. I have friends that are staunch Republicans and firm Democrats. I don't care about politics and I don't care what side my friends are on. I am just fascinated with the psychology of how this is all playing out. My take on it is this: Hilary is crooked and knows how to work the system. She has deep, deep connections. Even in the media. Trump does not and it pisses him off. So he lashes out and points fingers at anything and anyone. Trump is the biggest Narcissist that we've ever seen and many people are unaware of how this type of person works. Including the media. He is used to getting his way no matter what it takes. Bullying, distraction, pointing fingers, grandiose lies and never ending accusations. The media gives him a lot of attention by reporting what he says. I think the media is typically democratic in it's thinking even though it says it's unbiased. I think they smell what's the biggest story and zone in on it and explode it wide open. Just like Trump does. He sees what triggers his followers and runs with it. But when the tables are turned Trump doesn't like that and so he lashes out and accuses everyone and comes up with conspiracy theories. So I think he is getting his fair share of media attention but he just doesn't like the way it's going for him. I agree with this, though I don't believe HC is crooked. I believe she has made errors in judgement, and has paid the price for listening to advisors when it may have beven prudent to wait, but I don't believe she's crooked
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 17, 2016 2:25:13 GMT
I bleed blue, I am liberal and damn proud of it. I also am well educated, follow US politics closely, have lived abroad and have a world view, I do not have American Univision. I was thinking about how we got here. How did we end up with Trump as the Republican candidate? He has done 10 or 12 things that would have forced any other candidate to drop out of the race. He is outrageous. I don't think anyone can argue with that. Then my thoughts turned towards Hillary. I like her. I think the whole Bengazi issue is complete BS. ( I know no surprise there) Without Bengazi we would have never ended up on the emails. I think in a 'Typical" election cycle Hillary's email issues would have forced her to drop out of the race. So we have two candidates who in a typical cycle would never have made it to the nomination. How did we get here? I think a lot of it has to do with the media and the lack of impartial journalism. I do not think the media in general wants to push one candidate ahead of another I think they want to sell the best story. So they sold Trump, they gave him more coverage than he might have garnered if he was some other billionaire running with no experience. I think they also pushed the Bengazi/email stories. Because it enraged the public, on both sides of the aisle... more viewers! They took the position viewers are outraged they will watch more.... Because these things are news??? On hell no. They are not news organizations they are Entertainment. They are ratings driven, they are focusing on what will appeal to the average TV watcher. I have stopped watching televised news not because I think it is biased against or for a candidate but because they are trying to sell the story they think most Americans want to hear.. they don't care about the truth. I dont even think truth is a consideration any more for a lot of them in the media. The are a lot of journalists with their own agendas. The networks care about ratings, period.
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 17, 2016 2:40:02 GMT
I definitely see slants one way or another at times. I ran across a tlk radio station the other day that was VERY pro-Trump and it very eye-opening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 2:52:01 GMT
and your sources??? Don't waste your time linking to them, because as in the past you base your opinions on sources that are routinely discredited. You didn't want to know the sources you just wanted to make a dig. As in the past, ANYONE that sources anything with the "wrong" fact/opinion, their sources are routinely "discredited". Here's a hint, if the thing has actually happened, the source doesn't matter. My sources are CNN, CBS, NYTimes, among others. Are those bad now too?
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Post by amom23 on Oct 17, 2016 3:28:26 GMT
and your sources??? Don't waste your time linking to them, because as in the past you base your opinions on sources that are routinely discredited. You didn't want to know the sources you just wanted to make a dig. As in the past, ANYONE that sources anything with the "wrong" fact/opinion, their sources are routinely "discredited". Here's a hint, if the thing has actually happened, the source doesn't matter. My sources are CNN, CBS, NYTimes, among others. Are those bad now too? Good god woman give it a rest already!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 5:53:24 GMT
Yes. I believe that the media is biased, all of it.
The mainstream media* leans left, and Fox leans right.
As an aside, I have been watching the trending topics on FB, and I have never seen (not once) a negative item "trending" about HRC. Negative items trending about Trump are there daily, sometimes more than once daily. I find it hard to believe that no one is saying anything negative about HRC being that there are millions of conservatives on FB.
*I am not talking about non-major news sources. I basically only pay attention to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I have found that some of the other sources have non-vetted incorrect information a little too frequently.
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Post by threegirls on Oct 17, 2016 12:28:30 GMT
I believe the media is biased.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 17, 2016 12:32:08 GMT
Yes. I believe that the media is biased, all of it. The mainstream media* leans left, and Fox leans right. As an aside, I have been watching the trending topics on FB, and I have never seen (not once) a negative item "trending" about HRC. Negative items trending about Trump are there daily, sometimes more than once daily. I find it hard to believe that no one is saying anything negative about HRC being that there are millions of conservatives on FB. *I am not talking about non-major news sources. I basically only pay attention to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I have found that some of the other sources have non-vetted incorrect information a little too frequently. IMO, this is because Trump continues to say/do things at least daily that keep him in the forefront. Hillary is laying low because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:17:11 GMT
There were some pretty big headlines that pertained to Hillary with all of the Wikileaks stuff going on and more emails being released.
Not sure that I buy that.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2016 13:52:50 GMT
and your sources??? Don't waste your time linking to them, because as in the past you base your opinions on sources that are routinely discredited. Not only are the sources often not reliable or right wing, but Gia has a huge issue of not telling the entire truth or facts because they don't fit her agenda. Gia's guilty of doing exactly what the thread title suggests-bias. She'll conveniently leave out facts, or words to fit her stance.
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Post by lbp on Oct 17, 2016 14:00:14 GMT
In my area, yes they are. A couple of the TV stations are incredibly biased against Trump, another local station you can tell is very pro Trump. Our newspaper leans to the left and they are extremely biased when it comes to college football!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 17, 2016 14:04:43 GMT
Yes. I believe that the media is biased, all of it. The mainstream media* leans left, and Fox leans right. As an aside, I have been watching the trending topics on FB, and I have never seen (not once) a negative item "trending" about HRC. Negative items trending about Trump are there daily, sometimes more than once daily. I find it hard to believe that no one is saying anything negative about HRC being that there are millions of conservatives on FB. *I am not talking about non-major news sources. I basically only pay attention to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I have found that some of the other sources have non-vetted incorrect information a little too frequently. Trending Topics on Facebook is different for every person. Trending topics take into account your likes, what pages you engage with, etc. You can even customize the Trending Topics to suit what you want to see. So in this case it is not a good indicator of media bias.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 17, 2016 14:21:47 GMT
Yes. I believe that the media is biased, all of it. The mainstream media* leans left, and Fox leans right. As an aside, I have been watching the trending topics on FB, and I have never seen (not once) a negative item "trending" about HRC. Negative items trending about Trump are there daily, sometimes more than once daily. I find it hard to believe that no one is saying anything negative about HRC being that there are millions of conservatives on FB. *I am not talking about non-major news sources. I basically only pay attention to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I have found that some of the other sources have non-vetted incorrect information a little too frequently. Trending Topics on Facebook is different for every person. Trending topics take into account your likes, what pages you engage with, etc. You can even customize the Trending Topics to suit what you want to see. So in this case it is not a good indicator of media bias. While that's true, there was also a Facebook employee several months back that spoke specifically about Facebook modifying the algorithm to filter out negative stories about Democrats - let me see if I can find it - it's been a while.... this was the first article that popped up in my search - I don't read gizmodo so no clue what if any bias it has - gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006
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Post by debmast on Oct 17, 2016 14:29:45 GMT
Yes. I believe that the media is biased, all of it. The mainstream media* leans left, and Fox leans right. As an aside, I have been watching the trending topics on FB, and I have never seen (not once) a negative item "trending" about HRC. Negative items trending about Trump are there daily, sometimes more than once daily. I find it hard to believe that no one is saying anything negative about HRC being that there are millions of conservatives on FB. *I am not talking about non-major news sources. I basically only pay attention to Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I have found that some of the other sources have non-vetted incorrect information a little too frequently. IMO, this is because Trump continues to say/do things at least daily that keep him in the forefront. Hillary is laying low because of that. I think this is true. They appear to be taking the "let him hang himself" approach. And I believe he's claiming bias because when he loses, he's going to blame that rather than shoulder the blame himself. (Also, I'm not "pro Clinton". Not thrilled with either candidate, but continued to be amazed by the things that come out of Trump's mouth that he seems to think are okay, but then later denies saying).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 15:57:47 GMT
I believe they are biased. At the beginning of the campaign season, all I read or heard about was Donald Trump. Every now and again, there'd be something about one of the other candidates, but mostly all about Trump. I am a Bernie supporter, and barely anything was reported about his campaign. It was very frustrating.
Now, because Trump has basically imploded upon himself, there are a ton of news stories about all that. Clinton on the other hand, has been a good little campaigner, just doing what she has to do. So, not much has been reported on her, with the exception of her odd facial expressions, her coughing or becoming faint and stumbling.
There is just a lot more to report on Donald.
November 8th can't come soon enough.
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Post by stampinfraulein on Oct 17, 2016 16:12:28 GMT
The one thing I don't like about the equal time rule is it really only applies to the two major parties. Independent parties don't get the same type of coverage. I would like to see a viable 3rd party that is fiscally conservative yet socially liberal. It's going to be hard to create it without de-regulating or reorganization of the media and political system to help level the playing field. I don't know enough about politics to know what that is, but as an independent, my hope is it would promote more engaging thoughts and ideas. Yes. there is a particular 3rd party candidate I am very interested in this year and i have not heard one single mention of his name on any major network news. Save
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 16:27:32 GMT
Is the media really biased?
Chris Cuomo: "We couldn't help her anymore than we have, you know what I mean? She's gotten just a free ride so far from the media, we're the biggest ones promoting her campaign so far."
In a word - yes.
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