lionsimba
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Post by lionsimba on Oct 17, 2016 14:20:34 GMT
do you automatically believe it / disbelieve it based on how you feel about the candidate?
In other words, if you heard a news story that claimed HRC did or said something incredibly disturbing, would you automatically discredit it because you like HRC? And the same for Trump?
Every time I see a news piece that is damaging towards either party, the candidate's supporters immediately make excuses and try to prove the story untrue. This is more true for Clinton supporters that I know as almost every Trump supporter I know sees him as unsavory in regards to personality. I can't get a single Clinton supporting friend to admit that there is even a shred of truth to any of the questionable issues that have come to light that would have a negative impact on her.
So are we as a people so blinded by party lines or our support for a particular candidate that we refuse to see that person's ill-doings?
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Post by *KAS* on Oct 17, 2016 14:26:49 GMT
do you automatically believe it / disbelieve it based on how you feel about the candidate? In other words, if you heard a news story that claimed HRC did or said something incredibly disturbing, would you automatically discredit it because you like HRC? And the same for Trump? Every time I see a news piece that is damaging towards either party, the candidate's supporters immediately make excuses and try to prove the story untrue. This is more true for Clinton supporters that I know as almost every Trump supporter I know sees him as unsavory in regards to personality. I can't get a single Clinton supporting friend to admit that there is even a shred of truth to any of the questionable issues that have come to light that would have a negative impact on her. So are we as a people so blinded by party lines or our support for a particular candidate that we refuse to see that person's ill-doings? Me? No. A large majority of people? Absolutely. "If it's on the internet it MUST be true" definitely comes into play when it comes to politics, as far as I can tell. Including from my own otherwise intelligent family members.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 14:31:44 GMT
No, no and no. I believe most of us try to decipher the truth behind the reality-TV style news flappings and work from there.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Oct 17, 2016 14:36:02 GMT
I tend to think the crap out there for both candidates is massively over stated. I pretty much dismiss all of it. If one candidate is talking about the other instead of talking about their own agenda, I knock points off of my opinion of the candidate. Both are like negative 7 billion in my book right now based on my, "Tell me about yourself, not about the other candidate" policy.
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Post by beachbum on Oct 17, 2016 14:51:38 GMT
I don't pay much attention to what any media reports as a story. I listen to what the candidates say or have said, that shows me who they are.
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Post by lindas on Oct 17, 2016 15:04:08 GMT
No because there are two sides to every story then there's the truth somewhere in the middle.
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Post by jenjie on Oct 17, 2016 15:20:08 GMT
I'm beginning to disbelieve everything I see. Especially if it's on facebook. So many headlines and pictures look like they belong on the cover of The National Enquirer, yet so many smart people continue to repost it.
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Post by happymomma on Oct 17, 2016 15:27:04 GMT
At this point nothing surprises me. They're both scumbags in my opinion and I wouldn't be shocked about anything that comes out. At this point I don't even care. Just looking forward to the next election.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 17, 2016 15:27:08 GMT
No, no and no. I believe most of us try to decipher the truth behind the reality-TV style news flappings and work from there. We have a really tight congressional race and the incumbent has never had to fight for his seat. His personal attack ads could have an impact because the challenger is unknown. I hope no one automatically accepts them as true and people will take the time to research and find the half truth behind them. As far as the presidential race, I don't think there is too much that isn't out there already and while I don't automatically believe or dismiss everything I hear, I just don't think there is anything new.
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Post by Really Red on Oct 17, 2016 15:37:19 GMT
If I hear it out of their own mouth, then absolutely, yes. If I read about it in the NYT or the Washington Post, pretty much. They don't print things without fact checking and being sure. While they may be wrong now and again, I think both their long histories of seeking the truth make me believe it. If I hear about it on the news without substantiating information, then I wait to have it confirmed. If I hear about it on FB or IRL pretty much never unless it is independently confirmed in one of the two first choices above. lionsimba I am not doubting your experience, but I do think where we live and the friends we have tilt our visions quite a bit. I live in a conservative area and I am surprised at how much bad stuff the conservatives believe about Hillary. Clearly, there is enough out there that is true, but some of the crazy stuff, like anyone who gets close to the Clintons is mysteriously found dead (I have heard this over and over!!!), has no basis in truth.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 17, 2016 17:17:47 GMT
I tend to think the crap out there for both candidates is massively over stated. I pretty much dismiss all of it. If one candidate is talking about the other instead of talking about their own agenda, I knock points off of my opinion of the candidate. Both are like negative 7 billion in my book right now based on my, "Tell me about yourself, not about the other candidate" policy. Yep, the media loves to make any/every story bigger.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 17:21:15 GMT
When Trump shows me he's an racist, bigoted, misogynistic asshole prick, I believe him. When the awful things that he says comes out of his OWN mouth, I believe him.
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Post by dillydally on Oct 17, 2016 17:31:52 GMT
I don't think I do, but i guess it is possible and I don't realize it.
I'm pretty skeptical of the media after knowing the full story and seeing what was published in a few instances. It was frustrating to see an article that I knew did not have all the information and was clearly being skewed but at least it reminded me to think twice about a situation.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 17, 2016 17:35:19 GMT
I look at the history and pattern of behavior from that candidate in order to evaluate the true credibility of the story. now if there was solid eyewitness account and/or solid documentary evidence to back it up, I would probably believe it. what I do with that info and how it would affect my decision is another thing.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Oct 17, 2016 17:45:33 GMT
We've gone from trusting people to skeptical people. I simply roll my eyes because just about anything that can be taken out of context to suit an opponent will be.
The whole 'you didn't build that' quote from Obama used last election was ridiculous. It was part of a statement about businesses needing to pay taxes for infrastructure already set in place that helps their business. Said business (let's use trucking/shipping as an example) might have done everything themselves, but they didn't build the roads that allow them to be able to transport their goods. Obama was saying that they didn't build the infrastructure that allows them to do business, but 'you didn't build that' was pushed as being a statement of self employed business people not having built their own business.
As such, everything said is something taken with a grain of salt. I would like smear campaigning to be illegal. Keep those for confrontations where the accuser and accused can hash it out in front of the viewers to allow both sides to play out. Too often, the accusation is the only thing heard, not that it was debunked or that it was taken out of context. Elections are nothing more than marketing...it isn't about how the problems we are facing will be solved any longer...those things are now afterthoughts.
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 17, 2016 18:04:55 GMT
do you automatically believe it / disbelieve it based on how you feel about the candidate? In other words, if you heard a news story that claimed HRC did or said something incredibly disturbing, would you automatically discredit it because you like HRC? And the same for Trump? Every time I see a news piece that is damaging towards either party, the candidate's supporters immediately make excuses and try to prove the story untrue. This is more true for Clinton supporters that I know as almost every Trump supporter I know sees him as unsavory in regards to personality. I can't get a single Clinton supporting friend to admit that there is even a shred of truth to any of the questionable issues that have come to light that would have a negative impact on her. So are we as a people so blinded by party lines or our support for a particular candidate that we refuse to see that person's ill-doings? I don't mean this in a mean way, because we all have bias, but I think your bias is showing. I know IRL way more Trump supporters than Clinton because of where I live. Some of the Trump supporters will believe ANYTHING bad about Clinton anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 18:17:33 GMT
When I see someone claiming Trump did this or that, I look for proof. Same when someone claims Clinton did something - good or bad. When the news report it, I consider their source. Is it a story that is actually "someone's cousin who knows the actual person but has no authority to actually speak on the subject"? Or did they simply air a video clip from somewhere that hundreds of other people have seen?
I don't like Trump and he's making it easy for the news to report a lot of negative things simply because he's constantly tweeting hateful, mean, nasty stuff. Clinton has enough experience to know how to be the diplomat in many situations. The email leaks are not exactly putting her or any of her people in a good light. At the same time, I believe emails like that have been going on in both parties since email was a standard communication form. They don't shock me. They just make me lose more faith in politicians even more.
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Post by terri on Oct 17, 2016 19:51:27 GMT
If I hear it out of their own mouth, then absolutely, yes. If I read about it in the NYT or the Washington Post, pretty much. They don't print things without fact checking and being sure. While they may be wrong now and again, I think both their long histories of seeking the truth make me believe it. If I hear about it on the news without substantiating information, then I wait to have it confirmed. If I hear about it on FB or IRL pretty much never unless it is independently confirmed in one of the two first choices above. lionsimba I am not doubting your experience, but I do think where we live and the friends we have tilt our visions quite a bit. I live in a conservative area and I am surprised at how much bad stuff the conservatives believe about Hillary. Clearly, there is enough out there that is true, but some of the crazy stuff, like anyone who gets close to the Clintons is mysteriously found dead (I have heard this over and over!!!), has no basis in truth. This is me though I would probably replace Washington Post with BBC.
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lionsimba
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Post by lionsimba on Oct 17, 2016 20:20:26 GMT
do you automatically believe it / disbelieve it based on how you feel about the candidate? In other words, if you heard a news story that claimed HRC did or said something incredibly disturbing, would you automatically discredit it because you like HRC? And the same for Trump? Every time I see a news piece that is damaging towards either party, the candidate's supporters immediately make excuses and try to prove the story untrue. This is more true for Clinton supporters that I know as almost every Trump supporter I know sees him as unsavory in regards to personality. I can't get a single Clinton supporting friend to admit that there is even a shred of truth to any of the questionable issues that have come to light that would have a negative impact on her. So are we as a people so blinded by party lines or our support for a particular candidate that we refuse to see that person's ill-doings? I don't mean this in a mean way, because we all have bias, but I think your bias is showing. I know IRL way more Trump supporters than Clinton because of where I live. Some of the Trump supporters will believe ANYTHING bad about Clinton anything. I actually don't like either candidate. It's not a bias on my part, but rather an observation. I posted in one of my fb conversations asking my friends if they could concede if there was ANYTHING suspicious about HRC's email scandal, Benghazi, or any of the other scandals she's been involved in. Even a tiny little thing that they found a bit unsettling about how she conducted herself. NO ONE would admit to that. Not one person. So it's my observation, not bias, that the Clinton supporters I know are far more unwilling to acknowledge the negative stories surrounding their candidate than Trump supporters are. I have lots of friends who no longer plan to vote for Trump because of his comments towards women. To me, they are far more admirable for their honesty and willingness to believe a candidate - even their own candidate - has considerable flaws than those who live in denial just to remain loyal to their candidate of choice.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2016 20:25:24 GMT
Nope. I seek out facts.
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 17, 2016 20:49:52 GMT
I don't mean this in a mean way, because we all have bias, but I think your bias is showing. I know IRL way more Trump supporters than Clinton because of where I live. Some of the Trump supporters will believe ANYTHING bad about Clinton anything. I actually don't like either candidate. It's not a bias on my part, but rather an observation. I posted in one of my fb conversations asking my friends if they could concede if there was ANYTHING suspicious about HRC's email scandal, Benghazi, or any of the other scandals she's been involved in. Even a tiny little thing that they found a bit unsettling about how she conducted herself. NO ONE would admit to that. Not one person. So it's my observation, not bias, that the Clinton supporters I know are far more unwilling to acknowledge the negative stories surrounding their candidate than Trump supporters are. I have lots of friends who no longer plan to vote for Trump because of his comments towards women. To me, they are far more admirable for their honesty and willingness to believe a candidate - even their own candidate - has considerable flaws than those who live in denial just to remain loyal to their candidate of choice. Well that makes no sense all humans are flawed. She should not have used the private server. I think most supporters will concede that. I think your friends who are no longer voting for Trump are not his supporters. Did you ask your friends that are Trump supporters to do the same? I love your language.... insinuation that Clinton has considerable flaws and your Clinton supporter friends are in denial if they don't believe that. It's your opinion and your friends may not share that opinion. Does not mean they are in denial.
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lionsimba
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Post by lionsimba on Oct 17, 2016 20:54:18 GMT
I actually don't like either candidate. It's not a bias on my part, but rather an observation. I posted in one of my fb conversations asking my friends if they could concede if there was ANYTHING suspicious about HRC's email scandal, Benghazi, or any of the other scandals she's been involved in. Even a tiny little thing that they found a bit unsettling about how she conducted herself. NO ONE would admit to that. Not one person. So it's my observation, not bias, that the Clinton supporters I know are far more unwilling to acknowledge the negative stories surrounding their candidate than Trump supporters are. I have lots of friends who no longer plan to vote for Trump because of his comments towards women. To me, they are far more admirable for their honesty and willingness to believe a candidate - even their own candidate - has considerable flaws than those who live in denial just to remain loyal to their candidate of choice. Well that makes no sense all humans are flawed. She should not have used the private server. I think most supporters will concede that. I think your friends who are no longer voting for Trump are not his supporters. Did you ask your friends that are Trump supporters to do the same? I love your language.... insinuation that Clinton has considerable flaws and your Clinton supporter friends are in denial if they don't believe that. It's your opinion and your friends may not share that opinion. Does not mean they are in denial. Yes, my friends who were previously Trump supporters and now are not were willing to admit that he has serious flaws. I have other friends who acknowledge his flaws yet are voting for him anyway. Anyone who doesn't believe there is anything at all suspicious about how many scandals HRC has been involved in and denies that she did anything wrong is just being plain stubborn. There is too much evidence out there. Even some liberal leaning reporters have questioned her actions. It isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of denial of facts.
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 17, 2016 20:57:42 GMT
Well that makes no sense all humans are flawed. She should not have used the private server. I think most supporters will concede that. I think your friends who are no longer voting for Trump are not his supporters. Did you ask your friends that are Trump supporters to do the same? I love your language.... insinuation that Clinton has considerable flaws and your Clinton supporter friends are in denial if they don't believe that. It's your opinion and your friends may not share that opinion. Does not mean they are in denial. Yes, my friends who were previously Trump supporters and now are not were willing to admit that he has serious flaws. I have other friends who acknowledge his flaws yet are voting for him anyway. Anyone who doesn't believe there is anything at all suspicious about how many scandals HRC has been involved in and denies that she did anything wrong is just being plain stubborn. There is too much evidence out there. Even some liberal leaning reporters have questioned her actions. It isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of denial of facts.Ok now I got it. I'm a little slow I guess. You just wanted to bash your friends who are Clinton supporter. I'm out.
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Post by lionsimba on Oct 17, 2016 21:10:38 GMT
Yes, my friends who were previously Trump supporters and now are not were willing to admit that he has serious flaws. I have other friends who acknowledge his flaws yet are voting for him anyway. Anyone who doesn't believe there is anything at all suspicious about how many scandals HRC has been involved in and denies that she did anything wrong is just being plain stubborn. There is too much evidence out there. Even some liberal leaning reporters have questioned her actions. It isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of denial of facts.Ok now I got it. I'm a little slow I guess. You just wanted to bash your friends who are Clinton supporter. I'm out. I'm actually trying to figure out WHY they are in denial. If I wanted to bash them (which I don't) I wouldn't come here to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 21:37:10 GMT
Ok now I got it. I'm a little slow I guess. You just wanted to bash your friends who are Clinton supporter. I'm out. I'm actually trying to figure out WHY they are in denial. If I wanted to bash them (which I don't) I wouldn't come here to do it. Probably for the same reasons that you are.
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Post by laureljean on Oct 17, 2016 21:39:50 GMT
Nope. As far as I'm concerned, the "real" story is somewhere between the accusation and the denial.
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Post by purplebee on Oct 17, 2016 21:46:46 GMT
There is very little I believe given the fact that on my FB feed and on this board, the far right/far left seem to post the most outrageous stuff, so I find myself saying "consider the source" and discounting most of it. Same for the biased news coverage on TV.
I dislike both of the candidates intensely, and still don't know what I will do on election day. It is just awful.....
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Post by disneypal on Oct 18, 2016 0:00:11 GMT
I don't automatically believe or disbelieve - if it is troublesome. I will try to research the facts
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Post by lionsimba on Oct 18, 2016 0:04:19 GMT
I'm actually trying to figure out WHY they are in denial. If I wanted to bash them (which I don't) I wouldn't come here to do it. Probably for the same reasons that you are. OK. Thanks, that is helpful. I didn't realize I was in denial. What am I in denial about? Both sides post crap, both sides defend their candidate no matter what, but what I have seen from my pool of fb friends is that most Trump supporters acknowledge his flaws while no Clinton supporters have done the same. Again, this is an observation of mine, not my opinion on who is right and who is wrong. But thanks for the not-so-kind comment.
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Post by peasapie on Oct 18, 2016 0:13:14 GMT
This question reminds me of something called "confirmation bias." You may have heard of it. Wikipedia defines it as: "the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities."
The bottom line is people who support one candidate or the other will tend to seek out information to confirm that bias. They become overconfident in their own beliefs and make poor decisions because of this. I'm seeing it on both extremes in this voting seasons.
But honestly - it's hard to seek out truth when there is so much misinformation out there by so-called news organizations.
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