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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 15:51:26 GMT
 So...is CNN confirming the legitimacy of the Wikileaks' most recent release of Podesta emails? Kind of sounds like it to me. It also sounds like CNN is trying to scare people off of reading Wikileaks by claiming they're "illegal to possess". Further looking into this reveals that Cuomo is full of crap. This is what the Congressional Research Service says about it: Additional information about the Congressional Research Service. Link to the Congressional Research Service memo above quote is pulled from. Seems like it might be illegal but even if it is no one's ever been prosecuted for it. Also, as far as I know these emails aren't even classified. Please correct me if I'm wrong...it seems to me the leaker is breaking the law by leaking it, those with clearances are risking the penalties associated with violating their oath they took when they obtained said clearances (which can totally include jail time), but merely viewing said documents after they have been published broadly is not against any law, and no-one has ever been convicted or even charged with a crime related to purely this. ETA: Also - Wikileaks internet connection has been severed by a "state actor"? BBC: "Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'"Interesting development.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2016 16:49:53 GMT
So...is CNN confirming the legitimacy of the Wikileaks' most recent release of Podesta emails? Kind of sounds like it to me. Further looking into this also reveals that Cuomo is full of crap. This is what the Congressional Research Service says about it: Additional information about the Congressional Research Service. Link to the Congressional Research Service memo above quote is pulled from. Seems like it might be illegal but even if it is no one's ever been prosecuted for it. Also, as far as I know these emails aren't even classified. Please correct me if I'm wrong...it seems to me the leaker is breaking the law by leaking it, those with clearances are risking the penalties associated with violating their oath they took when they obtained said clearances (which can totally include jail time), but merely viewing said documents after they have been published broadly is not against any law, and no-one has ever been convicted or even charged with a crime related to purely this. ETA: Also - Wikileaks internet connection has been severed by a "state actor"? BBC: "Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'"Interesting development. I would think the illegal part of it is how the documents were obtained. (Hacking, stealing) |
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 17, 2016 16:54:12 GMT
I don't know how CNN or Cuomo could confirm the legitimacy. I saw a story in passing this morning about some obvious alterations (something about Japan, something about the military in China) but if Podesta and the FBI aren't commenting, anything reported is at best educated speculation.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 17:17:46 GMT
I would think the illegal part of it is how the documents were obtained. (Hacking, stealing) I agree with you. Cuomo though is saying that possessing them, unless you're a media organization, is illegal. I don't know how CNN or Cuomo could confirm the legitimacy. I saw a story in passing this morning about some obvious alterations (something about Japan, something about the military in China) but if Podesta and the FBI aren't commenting, anything reported is at best educated speculation. By calling the stolen documents out as illegal. If they were falsified, what about them would be illegal? If they are legitimate, it's possible that parts are classified information and while reading them after dissemination would not be illegal, the fact that they are classified could prove their legitimacy. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 17, 2016 17:25:10 GMT
That's just what he's saying though, his own spin. Do you really think that Chris Cuomo is the first person who Podesta would call and say "yeah, they're all legit?"
I'm more interested in the intelligence operations over the weekend which resulted in RT's British accounts being frozen and Assange's email going down. Seems like MI5 had a busy weekend.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 17, 2016 17:36:17 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 17:57:54 GMT
The U.S. Intelligence community is furious and concerned about Trump denying that we were hacked by a foreign government. I think the larger question is, why is Trump lying about it? I think it's a very big deal too, but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Both are equally important IMO, but only one of them is getting big press. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 17, 2016 18:05:00 GMT
CNN is emerging as the most dishonest media outlet to me. (This is my opinion.)
If you didn't know better, Chris Cuomo sure sounds like he's trying to discourage people from searching WikiLeaks by themselves. Lot's of damaging information has emerged for the Clinton camp.
But this is just the tip of the iceberg. In the past few months CNN has also tried to alter the narrative:
1. Had to apologize for cutting off Sylville Smith's sister in mid-quote while characterizing her as "calling for peace" when in reality she was exhorting people to go elsewhere to riot.
2. They scrubbed the word "Crooked" from one of Trump's tweets that they were showing on the screen. The Tweet read "I think that both candidates, Crooked Hillary and myself, should release detailed medical records. I have no problem in doing so! Hillary?" But they showed "I think that both candidates, Hillary and myself, should release detailed medical records. I have no problem in doing so! Hillary?" (They pretended this altered version was an actual tweet image.)
3. They falsely inserted the word "racial" to Trump's statement about vetting: thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/296753-cnn-falsely-adds-racial-to-trump-vetting-comments Here's a little tip CNN: You can profile without using race, it's called "Predictive profiling" and you might want to look it up: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling Israel has been using it for years, they use it at their airports, especially. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Oct 17, 2016 18:07:05 GMT
but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Bingo. Look at the shiny object. It's a distraction to try to minimize the damaging information coming out in the leaks. Funny, how they didn't have a problem exploiting the Trump tax returns, which were also obtained illegally and then turned over to the press. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 22:04:15 GMT
So...am I correct to believe that only a couple of us here are disturbed by CNN basically saying "Don't read. Don't learn. Just hear what we say, and only what we say, or else you will be a terrorist and go to jail"?
I mean, this is about as blatantly Orwellian a message from a mainstream media outlet as I have ever seen.
Ever.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2016 22:27:37 GMT
Because he "knows more than the generals do, believe me (him)"! He does not deal in facts or truth or reality. He has shown us time and time again that he's going to lie, bully, cheat, to try to win. He gives no shits to anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 22:28:01 GMT
but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Bingo. Look at the shiny object. It's a distraction to try to minimize the damaging information coming out in the leaks. Funny, how they didn't have a problem exploiting the Trump tax returns, which were also obtained illegally and then turned over to the press. Exactly! Just as I predicted. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 17, 2016 22:29:05 GMT
The U.S. Intelligence community is furious and concerned about Trump denying that we were hacked by a foreign government. I think the larger question is, why is Trump lying about it? I think it's a very big deal too, but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Both are equally important IMO, but only one of them is getting big press. I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked regardless of who it is. Trumps taxes were not hacked, they were mailed to the NYT with a return address from Trump Tower. The hacking is SOLELY from the Democrat side. If Russia is backing the hacking that Wikileaks's is releasing, it's pretty clear that this one-sidedness is for the sole purpose of manipulating the election. There's an entire thread about media bias, to which most say it is--this issue is a just progression of that. Trump lying at the debate regarding not knowing if Russia was involved in the hacking, when he absolutely did was to ensure that the hacking charge fit his agenda, even knowing it was a big fat lie. Trump pulls the shiny object bs on a daily basis for the shit he does, it's not exclusive to Democrats. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 22:43:54 GMT
I think it's a very big deal too, but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Both are equally important IMO, but only one of them is getting big press. I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked. I do not agree with you. I bet you if the leaks contained information that flattered Clinton et al, her campaign would be shouting it from the rooftops saying, "SEE!? We told you she was PURE AWESOME SAUCE!" and The Who and Why would be drowned out by shouts of "CONTENT MATTERS!" instead of the downright deceitful rhetoric CNN is spewing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 22:49:50 GMT
I think it's a very big deal too, but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Both are equally important IMO, but only one of them is getting big press. I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked regardless of who it is. Trumps taxes were not hacked, they were mailed to the NYT with a return address from Trump Tower. The hacking is SOLELY from the Democrat side. If Russia is backing the hacking that Wikileaks's is releasing, it's pretty clear that this one-sidedness is for the sole purpose of manipulating the election. There's an entire thread about media bias, to which most say it is--this issue is a just progression of that. Trump lying at the debate regarding not knowing if Russia was involved in the hacking, when he absolutely did was to ensure that the hacking charge fit his agenda, even knowing it was a big fat lie. Trump pulls the shiny object bs on a daily basis for the shit he does, it's not exclusive to Democrats. The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 17, 2016 22:56:12 GMT
Because he "knows more than the generals do, believe me (him)"! He does not deal in facts or truth or reality. He has shown us time and time again that he's going to lie, bully, cheat, to try to win. He gives no shits to anything else. Can't argue with that. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 17, 2016 22:56:40 GMT
Actually, not if they were sent by Marla Maples as is entirely plausible given her activities the week they were mailed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 23:04:17 GMT
So...am I correct to believe that only a couple of us here are disturbed by CNN basically saying "Don't read. Don't learn. Just hear what we say, and only what we say, or else you will be a terrorist and go to jail"? I mean, this is about as blatantly Orwellian a message from a mainstream media outlet as I have ever seen. Ever. I don't think so (re: your first sentence). I don't like CNN and haven't watched them for quite a while now. If I read a story on the CNN website, it's only as initial jumping off point. Yes, I'm concerned if they're saying don't read, etc. I just don't know if that's what they're doing or not. I don't watch, so I don't know who their pundits are without googling. Looks like I need to start googling. |
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Post by terri on Oct 17, 2016 23:46:52 GMT
I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked regardless of who it is. Trumps taxes were not hacked, they were mailed to the NYT with a return address from Trump Tower. The hacking is SOLELY from the Democrat side. If Russia is backing the hacking that Wikileaks's is releasing, it's pretty clear that this one-sidedness is for the sole purpose of manipulating the election. There's an entire thread about media bias, to which most say it is--this issue is a just progression of that. Trump lying at the debate regarding not knowing if Russia was involved in the hacking, when he absolutely did was to ensure that the hacking charge fit his agenda, even knowing it was a big fat lie. Trump pulls the shiny object bs on a daily basis for the shit he does, it's not exclusive to Democrats. The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. To me the difference is my concern that Trump is being manipulated by Putin. Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. I have an issue with HRC's carelessness with emails, but in all her years as Secretary of State I never saw her be manipulated into another county's best interests, or be so easily manipulated by anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 23:55:47 GMT
The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. To me the difference is my concern that Trump is being manipulated by Putin. Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. I have an issue with HRC's carelessness with emails, but in all her years as Secretary of State I never saw her be manipulated into another county's best interests, or be so easily manipulated by anyone. To me, I'm not sure I believe Russia is behind any of this. It fits Hillary's narrative, for sure. But just because some government officials are making the claim doesn't mean I believe them. Our government also blamed the attack in Benghazi on an internet video, said that the IRS isn't targeting Republicans, and that I could keep my health insurance and doctor and save $2500 a year on my health insurance premiums. I'm not saying that their claim of Russia being behind the leaks is untrue...I don't know either way so I'm not going to make the claim either way. I just KNOW that I don't believe all of the claims that our government makes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 0:06:57 GMT
Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. Seriously?  If it's true, then I'd think even less of him if he's that easily manipulated and led into shenanigans. I have to agree. Save |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 0:32:56 GMT
Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. Seriously? If it's true, then I'd think even less of him if he's that easily manipulated and led into shenanigans. I have to agree. SaveSo it was Billy Bush telling Trump to say those things? I'm sure we will find out in the next 24 hrs, that he wasn't really on Howard Stern. Isn't it kinda funny that NBC knows deplorable, offensive behavior (by cutting Billy loose), yet it's just "boy talk" now for Trump and okay? |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Oct 18, 2016 0:37:20 GMT
The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. To me the difference is my concern that Trump is being manipulated by Putin. Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. I have an issue with HRC's carelessness with emails, but in all her years as Secretary of State I never saw her be manipulated into another county's best interests, or be so easily manipulated by anyone. If her husband is that easily manipulated, that in itself says he's not fit to run a nation... |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 18, 2016 0:39:12 GMT
The U.S. Intelligence community is furious and concerned about Trump denying that we were hacked by a foreign government. I think the larger question is, why is Trump lying about it? I think it's a very big deal too, but even moreso, why does the issue of who hacked us seem to be bigger than the content of the emails? Both are equally important IMO, but only one of them is getting big press. Because who knows what else might be hacked. This is a national security issue. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 0:40:01 GMT
I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked. I do not agree with you. I bet you if the leaks contained information that flattered Clinton et al, her campaign would be shouting it from the rooftops saying, "SEE!? We told you she was PURE AWESOME SAUCE!" and The Who and Why would be drowned out by shouts of "CONTENT MATTERS!" instead of the downright deceitful rhetoric CNN is spewing. It's okay that you don't agree, I didn't expect you to. I'm good with stating that The Who and why of someone hacking (Its illegal) is more important regardless of who it's happening to (Either party or person), because I believe that privacy matters and other countries stealing information for the sole purpose of manipulating elections is truly frightening. Take this for example--those who have been hell bent on nailing Hillary to a cross for SOS/Clinton Foundation at the same time--SHOULD be just as concerned over Russia's hacking/Trumps comments and praise for Putin. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 0:53:28 GMT
I think The Who and why they were hacked and what they are using them for outweighs the content of what is being leaked regardless of who it is. Trumps taxes were not hacked, they were mailed to the NYT with a return address from Trump Tower. The hacking is SOLELY from the Democrat side. If Russia is backing the hacking that Wikileaks's is releasing, it's pretty clear that this one-sidedness is for the sole purpose of manipulating the election. There's an entire thread about media bias, to which most say it is--this issue is a just progression of that. Trump lying at the debate regarding not knowing if Russia was involved in the hacking, when he absolutely did was to ensure that the hacking charge fit his agenda, even knowing it was a big fat lie. Trump pulls the shiny object bs on a daily basis for the shit he does, it's not exclusive to Democrats. The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. The difference is how they were obtained. NYT did not hack anyone to get them. They are not a foreign entity. A FOREIGN entity is stealing this info. As bat shit crazy as Trump has been, it would not surprise me in the least to find out he mailed them!!! We know it wasn't Russia! Or do we? Maybe he had someone do it. Maybe it was a disgruntled employee. Maybe it was Marla--or Tiffany. We don't know--neither do you. By all accounts so far, the Democrats have been hacked and by Wikileaks's founder--Assange's own admission--he's posting them to damage (and manipulate) the election. (His promises to release "damaging documents for 10 weeks" leading up to the election) Just because you refuse to believe what those who would know who is behind the hacking, does not make it any less truth. It's NOT the same and I've stated why. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 2:29:26 GMT
To me the difference is my concern that Trump is being manipulated by Putin. Melania is now saying her husband was manipulated by Billy Bush into those hot mike comments. I have an issue with HRC's carelessness with emails, but in all her years as Secretary of State I never saw her be manipulated into another county's best interests, or be so easily manipulated by anyone. If her husband is that easily manipulated, that in itself says he's not fit to run a nation... I'll raise your level of fitness to run a nation on the fact that Hillary admitted to not knowing what the C stood for on Classified documents. She is no more fit than Trump is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 2:36:37 GMT
The fact (or claim) that they were mailed from Trump tower does not mean SHIT. Those documents were stolen. Obtained illegally. Trump did not release them. No one else had consent to obtain them OR release them. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE. You don't think someone "with an agenda" leaked those few pages of Trump's tax return? It's the same thing. Your refusal to acknowledge doesn't change the fact. The difference is how they were obtained. NYT did not hack anyone to get them. They are not a foreign entity. A FOREIGN entity is stealing this info. As bat shit crazy as Trump has been, it would not surprise me in the least to find out he mailed them!!! We know it wasn't Russia! Or do we? Maybe he had someone do it. Maybe it was a disgruntled employee. Maybe it was Marla--or Tiffany. We don't know--neither do you. By all accounts so far, the Democrats have been hacked and by Wikileaks's founder--Assange's own admission--he's posting them to damage (and manipulate) the election. (His promises to release "damaging documents for 10 weeks" leading up to the election) Just because you refuse to believe what those who would know who is behind the hacking, does not make it any less truth. It's NOT the same and I've stated why. You using all caps in FOREIGN entity stealing the info does not make it true. Could it be Russia? Sure. I'm not willing to take what I'm told by our government at face value because they've already lied to the American people. We also know the NYT was "sent" Trump's tax returns. What we do not know as factual is who got them and how. They could've very well been stolen and I didn't see anyone consider that when they were released. I find the outrage over Hillary's leaked emails as ironic and hypocritical as most of what I've read regarding politics on this board for months. Feel free to disagree...but I firmly stand by that opinion. I'd love to know if Asange has any of Hillary's deleted emails. Wouldn't that be a sight to see? Sadly, it would not change the votes of any true Hillary supporters. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 2:49:04 GMT
The difference is how they were obtained. NYT did not hack anyone to get them. They are not a foreign entity. A FOREIGN entity is stealing this info. As bat shit crazy as Trump has been, it would not surprise me in the least to find out he mailed them!!! We know it wasn't Russia! Or do we? Maybe he had someone do it. Maybe it was a disgruntled employee. Maybe it was Marla--or Tiffany. We don't know--neither do you. By all accounts so far, the Democrats have been hacked and by Wikileaks's founder--Assange's own admission--he's posting them to damage (and manipulate) the election. (His promises to release "damaging documents for 10 weeks" leading up to the election) Just because you refuse to believe what those who would know who is behind the hacking, does not make it any less truth. It's NOT the same and I've stated why. You using all caps in FOREIGN entity stealing the info does not make it true. Could it be Russia? Sure. I'm not willing to take what I'm told by our government at face value because they've already lied to the American people. We also know the NYT was "sent" Trump's tax returns. What we do not know as factual is who got them and how. They could've very well been stolen and I didn't see anyone consider that when they were released. I find the outrage over Hillary's leaked emails as ironic and hypocritical as most of what I've read regarding politics on this board for months. Feel free to disagree...but I firmly stand by that opinion. I'd love to know if Asange has any of Hillary's deleted emails. Wouldn't that be a sight to see? Sadly, it would not change the votes of any true Hillary supporters. You can stop frothing any time now before your head explodes. I have more faith that the government knows where the hacking is happening, vs your opinion. I said just as much as where his tax Returns came from no one knows who sent them. My money is on Trump himself, but that's just my opinion. Me typing FOREIGN in all caps has nothing to do with it being an indicator of truth or not, I did it for emphasis since I cannot bold or italicize from my phone. My entire point was that being hacked by foreign (happy now?) entities is more concerning over what the emails contain thus far. The Investigation stated that there was no evidence that the SOS emails were hacked or compromised. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 4:41:31 GMT
One has to ask oneself if the the person, country, or whoever didn't have an agenda why didn't they hack/release the RNC and the 17 Republican candidates emails?
Who hopes to benefit by the release of these emails? Trump for sure but who else? Who would benefit from having a President Trump?
It seems to me instead of getting hung up on if the government lied or not the above questions should be the what concerns us as a country.
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If it's true, then I'd think even less of him if he's that easily manipulated and led into shenanigans.