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Post by jumperhop on Oct 22, 2016 0:30:35 GMT
Is anyone watching the Ross Harris Trial. I have been following it a little by listening to the podcast Breakdown. I would love to know what sources you have been using to follow the trial and your thoughts.
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Post by momx1 on Oct 22, 2016 2:50:40 GMT
Not very closely, just what's in the general daily news here. He and his wife are originally from my town and I believe she has actually moved back here.
Such a horrible situation. I sincerely hope it was an accident, I can't imagine planning such a horrendous thing. Even if it's an accident, I feel it now makes people suspicious of the deaths that were obviously accidents.
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Post by jumperhop on Oct 22, 2016 3:33:18 GMT
The podcast I am listening to is interesting. It mentioned that no one believes that this could ever happen to them and that they could never forget their child in a car. But it does happen. Statistically 37 deaths a year. The tip they mentioned to help prevent this is to leave your purse or briefcase in the back seat next to the child.
I sympathize for anyone who makes this horrific mistake. I am interested to hear new evidence the prosecutions presents. For now I am leaning towards guilty.
Jen
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Post by cherrie on Oct 22, 2016 4:24:50 GMT
I watch on 11alive.com I believe he is guilty, hope the jury thinks the way I do.
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Post by katlaw on Oct 22, 2016 4:28:29 GMT
I have no doubt that he is guilty. I have been following this on CNN. The reason I feel he is guilty is because at 12:45 pm he went to his car to put away some lightbulbs he had purchased and says he did not notice his son. To put it bluntly...the odor of a dead body in a hot vehicle would have alerted him something was wrong. When he opened his car door to put the lightbulbs inside he would have smelled something.
He then got into the car, drove for 7 minutes away from his work parking lot before he pulled over to "discover" the child's body. Again, the odor would have alerted him much sooner.
Anyone who has ever smelled that smell would never have not searched for the source.
He had made online searches in the days before his son's death related directly to babies in hot cars, and one search for "how to survive prison."
He murdered his child. It was premeditated according to the online searches he made.
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Post by KelleeM on Oct 22, 2016 5:04:54 GMT
I've been listening to Breakdown also. I find the case very interesting.
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Post by julieb on Oct 22, 2016 12:46:39 GMT
I have no doubt that he is guilty. I have been following this on CNN. The reason I feel he is guilty is because at 12:45 pm he went to his car to put away some lightbulbs he had purchased and says he did not notice his son. To put it bluntly...the odor of a dead body in a hot vehicle would have alerted him something was wrong. When he opened his car door to put the lightbulbs inside he would have smelled something. He then got into the car, drove for 7 minutes away from his work parking lot before he pulled over to "discover" the child's body. Again, the odor would have alerted him much sooner. Anyone who has ever smelled that smell would never have not searched for the source. He had made online searches in the days before his son's death related directly to babies in hot cars, and one search for "how to survive prison." He murdered his child. It was premeditated according to the online searches he made. I know virtually nothing about this case, but the internet searches would lean me towards guilty. How horrible. Going to google. |
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Post by nepean on Oct 22, 2016 13:18:21 GMT
I think the vast majority of hot car infant deaths are a tragic and horrific accidents. However, in this case I believe Ross Harris is guilty. katlaw already outlined some of the major reasons why I believe this to be so. I would like to add the following: Not 5 minutes before arriving at work and parking his car, he had visited Chick fil A for breakfast, and not via the drive through. He took his sweet baby into the restaurant and they ate together. So he conveniently "forgot" his baby 5 minutes later! I don't think so. As katlaw stated, Mr. Harris went back to his car at 12:45, the stench must have been obvious. If nothing else I imagine there would have been a strong poopy and wet diaper smell. But I agree, how could he have missed that odor of death? I assume he had to reverse his car out of its parking spot as he left work that afternoon, surely he saw the child in the rear vision mirror, or over his shoulder as he reversed. According to one article I just read, and from some of the photos, it looks as though he did not have to reverse out of the spot. He was not driving a giant 3 row SUV, in fact it was a small silver colored hatchback style. I don't even know why the media are calling it a SUV. But claims he did not realize for a further 7 minutes. He is either one VERY clueless man, or very guilty. I believe the sweet little boy was a little over 22 months old, so I wonder if he was in a forward facing car seat, or a rear facing seat. It was a rear facing car seat. Then of course factor in the internet searches, and that just solidifies it for me. ETA: I just read an article which addressed some of my assumptions. So made appropriate changed to the text. |
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Post by happymomma on Oct 22, 2016 13:19:40 GMT
I have no doubt that he is guilty. I have been following this on CNN. The reason I feel he is guilty is because at 12:45 pm he went to his car to put away some lightbulbs he had purchased and says he did not notice his son. To put it bluntly...the odor of a dead body in a hot vehicle would have alerted him something was wrong. When he opened his car door to put the lightbulbs inside he would have smelled something. He then got into the car, drove for 7 minutes away from his work parking lot before he pulled over to "discover" the child's body. Again, the odor would have alerted him much sooner. Anyone who has ever smelled that smell would never have not searched for the source. He had made online searches in the days before his son's death related directly to babies in hot cars, and one search for "how to survive prison." He murdered his child. It was premeditated according to the online searches he made. I thought that about the odor as well. However, I've been listening to the Breakdown podcast, and they had experts explain that the decomp odor wouldn't have been there yet. Even some of the officials that were at the scene didn't smell it. Not that I think that he's innocent, but I couldn't find him guilty for that reason only. |
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Post by katlaw on Oct 22, 2016 13:29:50 GMT
I thought that about the odor as well. However, I've been listening to the Breakdown podcast, and they had experts explain that the decomp odor wouldn't have been there yet. Even some of the officials that were at the scene didn't smell it. Not that I think that he's innocent, but I couldn't find him guilty for that reason only. If there was only the odor and nothing else I might have more doubt. The odor combined with the internet searches is what makes me believe him guilty of murder and not simply forgetful |
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Post by happymomma on Oct 22, 2016 13:38:52 GMT
I thought that about the odor as well. However, I've been listening to the Breakdown podcast, and they had experts explain that the decomp odor wouldn't have been there yet. Even some of the officials that were at the scene didn't smell it. Not that I think that he's innocent, but I couldn't find him guilty for that reason only. If there was only the odor and nothing else I might have more doubt. The odor combined with the internet searches is what makes me believe him guilty of murder and not simply forgetful I think he did it on purpose too. |
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Post by Zee on Oct 22, 2016 13:49:15 GMT
I don't know anything about this case, but is the question that the father didn't notice an odor within a few hours? It takes longer than that for a body to smell.
Those internet searches...omg
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Post by julieb on Oct 22, 2016 14:19:22 GMT
Ugh. I just watched the video of the "girlfriend" testifying. Who kills a child to get out of a marriage? It is so incredibly sad. That poor baby. He was probably awake and watched his dad just walk away from him.
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Post by jumperhop on Oct 22, 2016 15:04:48 GMT
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 22, 2016 16:00:09 GMT
Ugh. I just watched the video of the "girlfriend" testifying. Who kills a child to get out of a marriage? It is so incredibly sad. That poor baby. He was probably awake and watched his dad just walk away from him. I know your question was rhetorical, but Susan Smith is the first person that I think about when the question comes up. I haven't followed the trial but remember when the story broke and was aware that they had to move the trial because of problems finding an impartial jury. That poor baby. For what it's worth, I do know someone peripherally (friend's sister's friend) who left his baby in the car. Not excusing anything, but it wasn't his normal routine to drop off their son. He was walking back to his office after lunch and saw something going on in the parking lot near his car. It was the campus police breaking in to get the baby who didn't survive.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 16:05:35 GMT
Ugh. I just watched the video of the "girlfriend" testifying. Who kills a child to get out of a marriage? It is so incredibly sad. That poor baby. He was probably awake and watched his dad just walk away from him. I know your question was rhetorical, but Susan Smith is the first person that I think about when the question comes up. I haven't followed the trial but remember when the story broke and was aware that they had to move the trial because of problems finding an impartial jury. That poor baby. For what it's worth, I do know someone peripherally (friend's sister's friend) who left his baby in the car. Not excusing anything, but it wasn't his normal routine to drop off their son. He was walking back to his office after lunch and saw something going on in the parking lot near his car. It was the campus police breaking in to get the baby who didn't survive. I've been watching the trial in bits and pieces. The only thing, so far, that has given me pause is that they had a new car seat - front facing - that he had been using for a few weeks, but had just changed back to the rear facing one because his wife wanted to the front facing one in her car. It's conceivable to me that he had gotten used to the front facing car seat. The internet searches and website visits certainly are incriminating. Wasn't there a Pea several years back whose child died when she left him in the car? She was grocery shopping and went in, put the groceries away, and then took a nap. I can't remember if she was actually a Pea or someone who was known in the mommy blogger or scrapbooking blog community, but I think she was a Pea. I do recall she had a blog because I think that the night before she had blogged about being up all night reading a book or something like that. |
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 22, 2016 16:33:30 GMT
I know your question was rhetorical, but Susan Smith is the first person that I think about when the question comes up. I haven't followed the trial but remember when the story broke and was aware that they had to move the trial because of problems finding an impartial jury. That poor baby. For what it's worth, I do know someone peripherally (friend's sister's friend) who left his baby in the car. Not excusing anything, but it wasn't his normal routine to drop off their son. He was walking back to his office after lunch and saw something going on in the parking lot near his car. It was the campus police breaking in to get the baby who didn't survive. I've been watching the trial in bits and pieces. The only thing, so far, that has given me pause is that they had a new car seat - front facing - that he had been using for a few weeks, but had just changed back to the rear facing one because his wife wanted to the front facing one in her car. It's conceivable to me that he had gotten used to the front facing car seat. The internet searches and website visits certainly are incriminating. Wasn't there a Pea several years back whose child died when she left him in the car? She was grocery shopping and went in, put the groceries away, and then took a nap. I can't remember if she was actually a Pea or someone who was known in the mommy blogger or scrapbooking blog community, but I think she was a Pea. I do recall she had a blog because I think that the night before she had blogged about being up all night reading a book or something like that. It is definitely the internet searches that make this case different and him look guilty IMHO. I remember hot car deaths being discussed before, but not that a Pea was ever involved, although I could easily have missed that. In the case I mentioned sleep deprivation was part of the story, too, although it wasn't staying up to read a book. |
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Post by katlaw on Oct 23, 2016 0:04:31 GMT
I don't know anything about this case, but is the question that the father didn't notice an odor within a few hours? It takes longer than that for a body to smell. The moment the heart stopped pumping blood the body begins to decomp. Especially with this being in a hot car I believe it is likely there was a noticeable odor. 2 of the police officers who arrived on scene initially said there was an odor in the car when they arrived on scene. |
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Post by jumperhop on Oct 23, 2016 1:10:04 GMT
I know your question was rhetorical, but Susan Smith is the first person that I think about when the question comes up. I haven't followed the trial but remember when the story broke and was aware that they had to move the trial because of problems finding an impartial jury. That poor baby. For what it's worth, I do know someone peripherally (friend's sister's friend) who left his baby in the car. Not excusing anything, but it wasn't his normal routine to drop off their son. He was walking back to his office after lunch and saw something going on in the parking lot near his car. It was the campus police breaking in to get the baby who didn't survive. I've been watching the trial in bits and pieces. The only thing, so far, that has given me pause is that they had a new car seat - front facing - that he had been using for a few weeks, but had just changed back to the rear facing one because his wife wanted to the front facing one in her car. It's conceivable to me that he had gotten used to the front facing car seat. The internet searches and website visits certainly are incriminating. Wasn't there a Pea several years back whose child died when she left him in the car? She was grocery shopping and went in, put the groceries away, and then took a nap. I can't remember if she was actually a Pea or someone who was known in the mommy blogger or scrapbooking blog community, but I think she was a Pea. I do recall she had a blog because I think that the night before she had blogged about being up all night reading a book or something like that. I do remember this story. It was a Pea from Salt Lake. She was a general scrapbook board pea who wasn't around much. Jen |
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Post by disneypal on Oct 23, 2016 1:46:18 GMT
I have been following it closely - main sources are 11alive.com and following Vinnie Politan on Periscope. The more I hear, the more I truly believe he is guilty and deliberately left his son in the car to die  |
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Post by jumperhop on Nov 9, 2016 18:23:22 GMT
Bumping to top. Now that the jury is deliberating what are your thoughts? I think the Jury might have enough for reasonable doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 20:46:28 GMT
I've been listening to Breakdown as well.
I'm glad I'm not on that jury. I don't think he did it on purpose, he is just a dick.
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Post by scrapsuzy on Nov 11, 2016 0:10:58 GMT
I follow it on the local news, as I live in the Atlanta area. And I do think he is guilty as hell. Those that quote how many times forgotten children/hot car deaths have happened... I believe he was/is relying on those statistics to help clear him.
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Post by mom on Nov 11, 2016 0:25:44 GMT
I think he is guilty as hell, and a sorry excuse as a person.
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