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Post by Rhondito on Oct 25, 2016 16:10:41 GMT
If you are talking about Chris Stevens he was not tortured. He died of smoke inhalation in the first 20-25 minutes during the first attack at the mission. Where did you get the idea that a US ambassador was tortured? Are you talking about someone other then the US Ambassador to Lybia Chris Stevens? From many anti Hillary meme and articles on the internet I would imagine!! All sickening and especially so to use the death of your ambassador to spread their lies...that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.As in the case of Rhondito there are people out there that believe these lies.Google "US ambassador tortured in Benghazi" and you'll see how sickening this really is. So Snopes says the story is "undetermined" - I pray to God it isn't true because it has haunted me since I saw the picture a few weeks ago. Sad thing is, whether it is him or not, someone was being brutally tortured in the photograph. Save
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 16:29:25 GMT
From many anti Hillary meme and articles on the internet I would imagine!! All sickening and especially so to use the death of your ambassador to spread their lies...that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.As in the case of Rhondito there are people out there that believe these lies.Google "US ambassador tortured in Benghazi" and you'll see how sickening this really is. So Snopes says the story is "undetermined" - I pray to God it isn't true because it has haunted me since I saw the picture a few weeks ago. Sad thing is, whether it is him or not, someone was being brutally tortured in the photograph. SaveI don't know which photos you've seen but the one that is prevalent at the present time and attached to many anti Hillary posts is a very old photo taken from a 2004 investigation by the democratic government of Argentina into the alleged torture carried out in the army camps in 1986 when Argentina was under military rule.
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Post by Rhondito on Oct 25, 2016 16:37:46 GMT
So Snopes says the story is "undetermined" - I pray to God it isn't true because it has haunted me since I saw the picture a few weeks ago. Sad thing is, whether it is him or not, someone was being brutally tortured in the photograph. SaveI don't know which photos you've seen but the one that is prevalent at the present time and attached to many anti Hillary posts is a very old photo taken from a 2004 investigation by the democratic government of Argentina into the alleged torture carried out in the army camps in 1986 when Argentina was under military rule. Thank you. It probably is the photo you're referring to, and it's sickening. Save
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 16:39:16 GMT
From many anti Hillary meme and articles on the internet I would imagine!! All sickening and especially so to use the death of your ambassador to spread their lies...that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.As in the case of Rhondito there are people out there that believe these lies.Google "US ambassador tortured in Benghazi" and you'll see how sickening this really is. So Snopes says the story is "undetermined" - I pray to God it isn't true because it has haunted me since I saw the picture a few weeks ago. Sad thing is, whether it is him or not, someone was being brutally tortured in the photograph. SaveChris Stevens died in hospital soon after he was taken there by official Libyan military who rescued him. There are plenty of witnesses and reports confirming this. The snopes " undetermined" report hasn't been updated since April 2012 and was written prior to the investigations into Chris Stevens death.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 18:23:24 GMT
That is a very interesting point you make and it caught my attention. I think when people discuss deleting emails, handling classified material and how Benghazi was dealt with, etc. they believe those ARE issues to be discussed, not something meant to shut down conversation. It's interesting that you (and possibly others) see them differently and could be where the disconnect is in some of these discussions. When I think of shutting down conversation I think of the personal attacks meant to shame people into either silence or agreement. Such as... Trump voters being called "brain dead" and "f'ing morons", etc. gun rights advocates being called "mentally ill", "living in fear" etc. people worried about the refugee vetting process being called xenophobes, etc. objecting to said personal attacks and the bs rationalization of them gets labeled as "whiners" To me those ARE meant to diminish differing viewpoints and demean those who hold them, which actually DOES shut down conversation. Talking about how a candidate has handled the experience they bring to the table is not meant to do that. I'm going to assume your are being obtuse sarcastically here.
The reality of you downplaying all of Trump business dealings, scandals, accusations because of Hilary's emails IS sad. And you are a chief offender in this case.
Show me where you have had any interest in discussing Trump's financial plans for the country. Show me where you have had any interest in discussing what the candidates are saying for plans on social security, foreign affairs, etc.
Any future discussions in the threads these days all go back to former actions, and while they can add insight, we should be considering what they actually are saying they want to do once in office.
That is even more frightening to me than sexual assault and that should say something.
If you saw me downplaying anything Trump did or said, maybe it's because that's what you wanted to see, because that isn't what happened. Just because there's something negative to discuss about Hillary doesn't mean I support Trump. Maybe it's because you didn't like anything negative pointed out about her, I don't know. But in the 85,000 threads started to complain about something Trump said, did, or will do and there's a comparable with Hillary, it's fair game to talk about too, because the entire purpose of the campaign is to compare the candidates. As far as talking about the issues, I have talked about the issues. Just a couple of days ago someone else brought up Hillary's plans for gun control and then complained THAT someone responded to it. That's a very strange way to have discussion. Then you have the trolling lunatic that follows me around with personal attacks anytime she disagrees with me since her other targets pretty much just don't participate much any more. And of course responses like yours when I'm trying to bridge the communication gap... well your response says it all. You don't seem to want to at all. So if you're not on the I'm With Her bandwagon, it's very hard to contribute here. Those that haven't just given up, try very hard, but the message is very clear, you (general you) don't really want discussion, you want an echo chamber.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 25, 2016 18:23:42 GMT
This brings up a point I feel I've been making a lot recently, esp. on Facebook. If the places where you get your information are regularly giving you blatantly false, inflammatory information, you should ask yourself why that is. Who gains by spreading this misinformation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:37:11 GMT
I think one of the reasons conservatives on this board are silent is because they have nothing to crow about. Their party nominee is Donald J Trump. And he makes it so easy to see he is a dangerous joke everytime he opens his mouth or tweets at 3am. Nothing is subjective when it comes to Trump. There are some who try amd make the case that Hillary is just as bad as Trump. And then Trump opens is mouth again and you know just know there is no way that Hillary is as bad as Trump. It's just a feeble last gasp attempt by a few to make one think so. As for the mean liberals picking on the poor little conservatives. Yes here is the remark one is waiting for. Drum roll. The liberals on this board got slapped around pretty good in the "President Obama is bad threads" especially if we mentioned Bush in the same sentence as President Obama. The interesting thing about those who were so against President Obama, the joke may be on them. He is sitting with an approval rating of 55-57%. This puts him right up there with past popular presidents at this point in their presidency. History just might show him as one of our greatest presidents.
I remember the board eight years ago and it wasn't pretty, so I can't feel too sorry for any conservative peas that don't want to contribute because a whole lot of them could certainly dish it out during that time, and it's too bad they can't take it now. Other than my remark about some of Trump's female supporters appearing to not have a lot of self-respect, I've made sure to reserve my distain for their nominee just like I've read plenty of distain and hatred toward my nominee.
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Post by mzza111 on Oct 25, 2016 20:11:56 GMT
I think one of the reasons conservatives on this board are silent is because they have nothing to crow about. Their party nominee is Donald J Trump. And he makes it so easy to see he is a dangerous joke everytime he opens his mouth or tweets at 3am. Nothing is subjective when it comes to Trump. There are some who try amd make the case that Hillary is just as bad as Trump. And then Trump opens is mouth again and you know just know there is no way that Hillary is as bad as Trump. It's just a feeble last gasp attempt by a few to make one think so. As for the mean liberals picking on the poor little conservatives. Yes here is the remark one is waiting for. Drum roll. The liberals on this board got slapped around pretty good in the "President Obama is bad threads" especially if we mentioned Bush in the same sentence as President Obama. The interesting thing about those who were so against President Obama, the joke may be on them. He is sitting with an approval rating of 55-57%. This puts him right up there with past popular presidents at this point in their presidency. History just might show him as one of our greatest presidents.
I remember the board eight years ago and it wasn't pretty, so I can't feel too sorry for any conservative peas that don't want to contribute because a whole lot of them could certainly dish it out during that time, and it's too bad they can't take it now.
I also stand by everything I've said about Trump supporters!
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Post by cycworker on Oct 25, 2016 20:53:35 GMT
You probably would have gotten better results with a blind poll. Over time, more and more of Mr. Trump's supporters have stopped responding to the political threads due to some fairly vigorous discussions. I read something somewhere yesterday about how part of the question of how accurate the polls are has to do with how many of Mr. Trump's (and Sect. Clinton's) supporters won't admit who they are going to vote for because of public perception. I would guess a flat out question here would garner the same results... I'll have to disagree with your assessment of "vigorous discussions". It's ugly here. It's uglier than it even was in 2004, 2008, or 2012. I don't like or support either candidate. AT THIS TIME, I will not cast a vote for either Trump or Clinton. As much as I wish I could cast my vote for Johnson, I just cannot. I understand that the left hates Trump. I can almost understand their vitriol towards him. (face it, he brings much of it on himself) But the words and attitude I've seen directed at people who are or may vote for him sickens me. If Americans can treat one another so poorly, over which candidate we will support and vote for, not only are we in complete distress regardless of which candidate wins because neither are qualified or can be trusted to be Presidential, but we Americans cannot even support or respect one another. Whomever wins on Nov 8th doesn't matter. We're completely fucked either way. The nation will be in distress. Americans will still be as divided and disrespectful of anyone who believes differently than they do. It's so disheartening to see people treat one another like this. It isn't about left or right in this case for some of us. It's about a despotic dictator wannabe. Truly it is most devastating to me that ANYONE would give that man a vote. It's bad enough he got the votes to secure the nomination. Obviously it won't happen, but if Americans were acting in their own best interests Donald Trump would get literally ZERO votes for president. I don't mean he should win zero states/electoral college votes/points. I mean every single citizen who fills out a ballot should vote for ANYONE BUT Trump. I don't care if it's Clinton (though I'd prefer if it were). But the ideal situation would be one where he was the first person to suffer the embarrassment of getting NO votes. Well, he'd vote for himself. So I guess he'd have to have one. But I'd love him to experience the humiliation of having even his kids & 'friends' and employees all vote for someone else. The monster deserves that fate.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 25, 2016 20:54:57 GMT
I kind of think there are just a lot of "brain-dead idiots" around in general, on all sides of the equation. I am completely anti-Trump, but I do have plenty of friends that support him. I do not consider (most of ) my friends to be brain-dead idiots. I do disagree with them on a lot of issues, but the interesting thing is that we would generally consider ourselves to be similar-minded on values. I guess we're just disagreeing on how to achieve them. I have certain issues with Trump that I believe put him below the level of common decency, and they have other, similar issues with Hillary. As one friend of mine said today, "I don't care who you're voting for, unless you tell me that you are 100% behind your candidate. I don't think any of them deserve that." I do strongly suspect this will be a very close race, at least in terms of popular vote.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 25, 2016 20:57:24 GMT
I don't think there is anything good about a country that is evenly split if the word "compromise" is not part of their collective vocabulary. And that one word seems to be missing these days. This can't be stated enough. It's always a problem - on both sides of the aisle - but it seems to have really gotten worse over the last few years.
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Post by runner5 on Nov 11, 2016 12:53:01 GMT
I found this thread after someone mentioned it in the last thread izzyscraps started. I haven't been here much and it was interesting to read post election.
I was torn. Ben Carson was my guy and I couldn't see an alternative. In other elections, I could still get behind the conservative candidate.
The bullying got to me. If Trump supporters had been out beating up Hillary supporters, that would have been on cable news feed 24/7. But it was the other way around. When someone starts bullying me into a position*, I'm going the other way. I felt like I was being shamed and intimidated into having to be against Trump. I posted on Two Peas that if I read one more incident of a Trump supporter being assaulted, I was going to vote for him. It didn't even take two days.
It's like the Clinton supporters DID the things they were afraid the other side was going to do.
*ETA - especially when it comes to my freedom to vote and freedom to speak respectfully about who runs our government
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Post by pastlifepea on Nov 11, 2016 13:46:38 GMT
I found this thread after someone mentioned it in the last thread izzyscraps started. I haven't been here much and it was interesting to read post election. I was torn. Ben Carson was my guy and I couldn't see an alternative. In other elections, I could still get behind the conservative candidate. The bullying got to me. If Trump supporters had been out beating up Hillary supporters, that would have been on cable news feed 24/7. But it was the other way around. When someone starts bullying me into a position, I'm going the other way. I felt like I was being shamed and intimidated into having to be against Trump. I posted on Two Peas that if I read one more incident of a Trump supporter being assaulted, I was going to vote for him. It didn't even take two days. It's like the Clinton supporters DID the things they were afraid the other side was going to do. Interesting that this thread shows up front page again. After reading through it, I'm fairly convinced that this board represents what happened all over America and part of why so many, including me, were shocked that Trump won. I think most people here (not all!) were and still are very unkind to anyone who said they would vote for Trump. Yes, there were some nasty Trump supporters too but the worse name calling seemed to be directed at those who supported Trump. As a result, many of them just shut up or never spoke out to begin with. Then they all quietly went and voted. I believe this pretty much happened on a much larger scale throughout the country and voila! President Trump. For the record, I supported neither of these candidates but my parents voted for Trump. When I imagine people saying the things said here about Trump supporters in regards to my parents, it makes me hurt and angry. They are not uneducated, racist, bigots, rape supporters, etc. I called them the morning after election and asked if they were happy with the results. They said, no, but they were less unhappy than they would have been.
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