~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:22:42 GMT
Not by cops....by other blacks.
17 people between Friday afternoon and Monday morning. Dead as a result of inner community crime. 7 of them under 20 years old.
500 people killed in inner city crime this year in Chicago. The vast majority, black on black murders.
Why doesn't BLM or our congressmen, or Obama have anything to say about this? Or rally against this?
I have a very hard time with believing these people who claim Black Lives Matter when they are silent in the face of this type of carnage against the black community.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Nov 1, 2016 20:31:55 GMT
Their strict gun control really helps, no?
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:33:16 GMT
I know, right? They have one of the strictest gun controls in the country and they are the murder capital of the country.
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oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 1, 2016 20:33:29 GMT
That is horrific. Like a war zone.
I have no idea why people aren't in the streets up in arms over this. Truly not a clue.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:35:10 GMT
As I said, it really makes you wonder about those who claim "Black Lives Matter".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 20:48:14 GMT
Yes, but looking outward before turning the mirror on yourself is hardly a Black-People issue. It's a human nature issue. We always look to blame some other force for our problems before we look closest to home. I think it's a reflection of our society, not of BLM.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 1, 2016 20:49:32 GMT
it's really bad in stl as well - per capita
here recently it's been kids...either caught in the crossfire or gang activity at 14
i'm sure it's frustrating for everyone - there doesn't seem to be an end in sight...no matter how many laws are on the books
gina
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:50:05 GMT
I understand that is a basic human tendency, but given the level of destruction of the very people they claim "matter" it's mindboggling that the movement is silent.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 1, 2016 20:50:44 GMT
Yes, but looking outward before turning the mirror on yourself is hardly a Black-People issue. It's a human nature issue. We always look to blame some other force for our problems before we look closest to home. I think it's a reflection of our society, not of BLM. absolutely - people will blame ANYTHING other than themselves or theirs i've been having issues with a family member and i've shocked myself at the things i'll accept and believe - knowing that they are false and i have to blame only that one person gina
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 20:50:58 GMT
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 1, 2016 20:51:31 GMT
this might be the case but i see mothers crying for change on the news every morning gina
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:52:28 GMT
OK, I was wrong about it being the murder capital. However, do you care to respond to the large number of black-on-black murder and the silence of the "BLM" movement; which was after all what the thread is about?
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 1, 2016 20:52:43 GMT
link not working - they are probably listed per capita people like to quote chicago because Obama came from there - and the numbers do sound staggering gina
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 1, 2016 20:53:21 GMT
The numbers *are* staggering even if they are not the highest in the country.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 20:55:59 GMT
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 1, 2016 20:57:19 GMT
Their strict gun control really helps, no? Chicago's gun laws have been loosened considerably since 2010 - right now, they're comparable to those of New York and LA. And, even the strictest gun laws are toothless if they aren't enforced.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Nov 1, 2016 20:58:16 GMT
Crime rates down, gun ownership up. Wonder if there's a correlation? ha.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 21:01:18 GMT
But let's not examine the use of deadly force because intra-racial crime occurs regularly. /again sarcasm
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Post by ametallichick on Nov 1, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
Crime rates aren't down here. Our murder rate is actually up. Save
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 21:03:17 GMT
Crime rates down, gun ownership up. Wonder if there's a correlation? ha. The crime rates where there is higher gun ownership with fewer restrictions will correlate to the higher incident of gun deaths. Ha.
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Post by secondlife on Nov 1, 2016 21:03:54 GMT
I feel like this is a post that should be made with tears in our eyes and sadness for the lost human potential, not as a gotcha.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 1, 2016 21:05:49 GMT
But let's not examine the use of deadly force because intra-racial crime occurs regularly. /again sarcasm Why not look at both.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Nov 1, 2016 21:08:29 GMT
Crime rates down, gun ownership up. Wonder if there's a correlation? ha. The crime rates where there is higher gun ownership with fewer restrictions will correlate to the higher incident of gun deaths. Ha. I thought we were talking about murders here, not someone accidentally shooting their hunting partner. Ha.
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Post by julieb on Nov 1, 2016 21:13:10 GMT
I feel like this is a post that should be made with tears in our eyes and sadness for the lost human potential, not as a gotcha. Exactly. And the gun violence that hit us wasn't black on black. My son's friend was murdered a few years ago for his cell phone. A college educated young man with a bright future, murdered by a 22 yo with 3 kids. 5 lives destroyed just like that. Chances are those 3 kids will grow up to be uneducated thugs and thus, the horrible circle continues. The news in Chicago opens pretty much every day with a murder story. I don't turn it on until 5 minutes after it starts.
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Post by elaine on Nov 1, 2016 21:19:42 GMT
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 1, 2016 21:20:36 GMT
The crime rates where there is higher gun ownership with fewer restrictions will correlate to the higher incident of gun deaths. Ha. I thought we were talking about murders here, not someone accidentally shooting their hunting partner. Ha. Accidently shooting someone isn't a crime, unless you are negligent with your weapon when the shooting occurs. Ha.
"Chicago killings" have become a dog whistle in political discussions by people who don't want to admit or examine the use of lethal force by police officers, or who refuse to look at the correlation between murder and injury by guns and our current gun laws. Ha.
We need to look at both murder and injury rates by gun.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Nov 1, 2016 21:23:49 GMT
I thought we were talking about murders here, not someone accidentally shooting their hunting partner. Ha. Accidently shooting someone isn't a crime, unless you are negligent with your weapon when the shooting occurs. Ha.
"Chicago killings" have become a dog whistle in political discussions by people who don't want to admit or examine the use of lethal force by police officers, or who refuse to look at the correlation between murder and injury by guns and our current gun laws. Ha.
We need to look at both murder and injury rates by gun.
Actually... no, we don't. ha. Lauren was talking about black on black crime in Chicago. She never mentioned guns at all - I did. So.. the topic is really blacks killing blacks and the BLM movement ignoring it. Not who shot who on a hunting trip. (Tangent room, table for 2 please)
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 1, 2016 21:29:18 GMT
I would really hope that the majority of people killed, regardless of colour or city, weren't killed by police! While murder within the general population is sadly high, I would expect that killings by police would result in a greater scrutiny given that they are the ones charged with keeping murder from happening.
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Post by J u l e e on Nov 1, 2016 21:38:03 GMT
But let's not examine the use of deadly force because intra-racial crime occurs regularly. /again sarcasm I don't understand this kind of comment when it gets tossed out. Can each topic not be discussed in its own thread? This thread wasn't about examining deadly force and I don't think anyone said it wasn't a valid topic on its own. Do you think intra-racial crime should not be discussed because of the deadly force topic? /no sarcasm 17 black people murdered in Chicago last weekend is tragic. ETA - Sorry. I also think it could be discussed without referencing BLM and why they aren't vocal about these particular black lives.
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Post by raindancer on Nov 1, 2016 21:44:43 GMT
You should consider looking at taking some public health classes, you could get a better grasp on the depth and complexity of the issue that you are trying to make very black and white.
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