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Post by kibble on Nov 9, 2016 22:58:21 GMT
I've been mulling this all day in my grief.
I think we are going to see a pretty big hit in foreign tourism at least in the first year
I also will be shocked if we don't see an uptick in radical islamist attacks in the US (really hoping I'm wrong, but I think Trump has said so many things that it will spur them) I'm also very concerned about our troops on foreign soil, worried they are going to be in even more danger now
What is everyone thinking will happen?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 9, 2016 23:07:36 GMT
I think obamacare will be repealed.
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Post by Sam on Nov 9, 2016 23:12:51 GMT
Personally, I think it's too early to tell. Much of the world did not expect this result, but if you look at at overseas media (I'll talk about ours as that's what I have been listening to), the reaction is actually more muted than I thought it could be.
In terms of tourism, that does not always correlate with politics - assuming Trump does not make The Strip in Vegas go dark or take Micky Mouse's ears away, you'll probably be fine. The greater hit, certainly in terms of UK tourists, already happened with the weakening of sterling, but I still see people saying they are going to the US for a holiday next year, so who knows.
The US has been a target for terrorists for a long time - this election might well spur them on, but the rhetoric is only the same as it was before. 'They' can use this as a rallying cry but, to be fair, they'd be basically stating the same anti-western crap as they did before. If I was going to be worried about anything at this stage, it would be about home-grown terrorism.
Personally, I think we will see a softening of the rhetoric we saw during the election speeches he made (basically because he has to). The markets were not as badly affected as some predicted or shout about. Reaction is more muted than might have been predicted.
Honestly, I think it will take a couple of days for things to calm down a little and then people can start to predict the future - there's nothing as frightening as an emotional knee jerk reaction, whether it's yours or that of someone else.
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Post by beachbum on Nov 9, 2016 23:22:16 GMT
I fear Planned Parenthood will be a thing of the past. So many people think all they do is perform abortions, but that is such a tiny percent of their services. Where will these women go? What will happen when their source of birth control is gone? Oh yes, I'm sure everyone wants to pay for those new children. They'll be lots of talk about that, I'm sure. I also worry about Roe V Wade being reversed. Keep the government out of such a difficult,personal, heart-wrenching decision between a woman and her doctor, please.
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Post by jumperhop on Nov 9, 2016 23:22:28 GMT
I am scared about not having heath insurance again. I need it because of the brain tumor. Other than that I am not really worried. But, I am concerned about his mouth around foreign leaders. Jen
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 9, 2016 23:31:05 GMT
I fear Planned Parenthood will be a thing of the past. So many people think all they do is perform abortions, but that is such a tiny percent of their services. Where will these women go? What will happen when their source of birth control is gone? Oh yes, I'm sure everyone wants to pay for those new children. They'll be lots of talk about that, I'm sure. I also worry about Roe V Wade being reversed. Keep the government out of such a difficult,personal, heart-wrenching decision between a woman and her doctor, please. It will be gone. It's on their platform to stop any and all funding to them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 9, 2016 23:32:02 GMT
I am scared about not having heath insurance again. I need it because of the brain tumor. Other than that I am not really worried. But, I am concerned about his mouth around foreign leaders. Jen His plan is your healthcare spending account, once exhausted it's all on the individual.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 23:36:50 GMT
Hopefully more personal responsibility. No war with Russia. Less taxes.
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Post by Sam on Nov 9, 2016 23:40:31 GMT
Hopefully more personal responsibility. No war with Russia. Less taxes. More personal responsibility in what sense? For what? By what sector of society? Less taxes sounds great - how will the various promises be funded? No war with Russia??
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 9, 2016 23:49:04 GMT
Well Obama was going to take all the guns away and numerous other things that didn't happen so I can only hope Trumps plans were just out there to get him elected (although he won so now my conspiracy theory that he was throwing the election so Hillary would win doesn't make sense).
Also there will now be a Trump portrait hanging in the Whitehouse. I wonder if the artist will make him look like an Oompa Loompa or tone down the orange skin.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2016 23:51:25 GMT
Much of the world did not expect this result, but if you look at at overseas media (I'll talk about ours as that's what I have been listening to), the reaction is actually more muted than I thought it could be It's definitely NOT 'muted' here. The Aussie media are definitely shocked, I think it's safe to say that very few people expected this, and they are being very vocal in their thoughts. As expected our Prime Minister is trying to play it all down and is saying our allegiance with the USA will continue as before, but if Trump gets into a trade war with China as he keeps saying and our trade is impacted, I suspect that may not remain as firm as it once was.
A former senator said last night "It's clear that America has turned it's back on responsible global leadership" ETA: that's the biggest short term impact as I see it, how America is currently viewed by the rest of the world. We are looking at you in disbelief and I think (and it may be in the short term) we've lost some respect for you.
I've also heard "A narcissist with impulse control issues"
Some expressions of concern that if Trump withdraws his support from Korea and Japan, that they may feel they need to protect themselves against Nth Korea and therefore will arm themselves with nuclear weapons...and *if* that were to play out, then we'd all be fucked.
The prevailing sentiment here is shock, we can't believe Americans really elected this man - it was all anyone was talking about at work this morning and all of it negative, lots of nervous "jokes" about world war 3 etc.
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Post by mommc23 on Nov 9, 2016 23:59:30 GMT
I think he will be like every other President I have seen elected...one who promises the world and says whatever he needs to be elected...and then do very little, if any of what he says.
His 'plan' makes no sense. There is no way he can accomplish all he says while lowering taxes. I don't believe taxes will go any lower, although they might hold. I don't think anything will happen to planned parenthood. I don't think he cares a fig about that organization or abortion and said what he did to appeal to his crowd.
I do think there will be changes in healthcare. But they won't be as far reaching as most hope. Especially when it comes to monthly costs. Insurance companies have already raised their premiums and those will get paid. No way will they ever lower them to what they were.
I basically have no faith in our politicians.
I would have said all of this about Clinton too. It's seems anymore that politicians promise the world and get us worked up and turned against each other only to completely mild down arguements and disappoint.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 10, 2016 0:08:16 GMT
I'm just a lurker here, but I don't have a lot of places to share my thoughts (friends/family are out if I want to keep the peace).
Trump was chosen because he is seen as a "disruptor." So I believe he will disrupt. I think the US President can actually alter foreign policy easier than they can domestic changes, which requires either the will of the states or Congress. Internationally the impact can simply come from using or not using the bully pulpit, which foreign leader's phone calls they take, and willingness to use or not use the US military or economic sanctions/monetary policies. Trump doesn't actually have to "do" much to affect how the world responds to the US. I'm feeling more worried about the macro than the micro.
I believe it will lead to certain foreign countries and regimes feeling emboldened, altering their foreign policies to serve their best interests including engaging in resource wars (exacerbated by the effects of climate change that other countries accept is real). Which won't be good for other foreign countries (like things like Russia invasion of Crimea and China's policies in the South China Sea). This will destabilize those regions leading to economic instability in neighboring countries. Leading to more destabilization, leading to more economic instability. Lather, rinse, repeat. (ex. Syria crisis spills over into Turkey - already happening, which spills over into Eastern Europe, which spills over into Western Europe, which spills over to us.) Won't happen overnight, but the dominoes will have been knocked over, leading to consequences that will last longer than President Trump is Constitutionally allowed to serve.
I think multi-national companies will be making decisions based on the unstable global political and economic landscape which will have trickle down affects to American jobs and American prices that US domestic policy will not be able to contain. They will be making decisions that most Americans can't even begin to wrap their brains around and didn't enter into their decision on who to elect beyond "we need to focus more on America." I think the communities that feel that globalization has left them behind, will be put at even more risk due to rising prices, higher unemployment and a loss of the social safety net they think "other people" benefit from that they don't. I think many people take the post WWII, post Cold War relative economic and political stability for granted, and due to technological progress, the US won't be able to avoid the economic impacts (supply chain disruptions) wars on other continents would have. Things that weren't a factor 100, 150 or 200 years ago because we were physically so isolated. People can't imagine it can get worse for them, but look at the rest of the world, how much things can change in a generation. The shock will lead to an even angrier US electorate who once again feels betrayed that "hope and change" didn't work out like they thought it would.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2016 0:57:25 GMT
Oh and let's not forget that you've paved the way now - at least the rest of the world won't be so shocked when you elect Kanye in 2020. First lady Kim, that one will be fun too.
BTW who will be paying for Melania's Chanel and Karl Lagerfeld gowns? The First lady clothing budget is about to be blown out of the water I think. I don't think she'll be wearing things like Michelle's sensible dresses by American designers. (ETA: I just looked it up myself, apparently there's no official budget, gowns can be 'gifted' to the FL by designers, or they can pay for their clothes themselves, or their staff can source "deep discounts" on clothes for them. So designers are expected to hand over stuff basically for free...well it beats taxpayer money paying for them at least.
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Post by lisae on Nov 10, 2016 1:04:00 GMT
He's used to running his business and really not having anyone to answer to and doing things on his own schedule. He's also used to dumping projects if they don't work out for him. He's in for a shock. While the President has significant powers, there is much of his agenda he can not accomplish unless Congress goes along. He'll get some of it - like changing the healthcare system. As I said in another thread, I think the Senate will have the sense to know you just can't dump millions of people off of health coverage. If for no other reason, the insurance lobby will have their say. I also don't think Trump has any idea of the pressure of the office. He's 70 years old and even if he is as healthy as he claims to be, it's a tough job.
Things like building the wall? Hard for me to say because I don't know what the congress and senate think about it. Trump can't do it without money and Mexico isn't going to pay for it no matter what he has claimed.
The biggest thing he can influence is the Supreme Court. It will likely be more conservative particularly as there are some justices who are as old as Scalia was. I don't wish them any ill will at all but in 4 years time, it's likely there will be more appointments.
It would be very surprising if he has much impact on the economy at all. For all the credit or blame we give Presidents for the economy, it ebbs and flows around them. His plan to force companies to bring back manufacturing jobs is so full of holes, it's hard to know where to start. It was clearly an idea tossed off the top of the head by someone who has never worked in or had any significant dealing with large scale manufacturing.
My biggest concern is his big mouth and what kind of international incident he is going to create.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Nov 10, 2016 1:18:56 GMT
He will borrow 500 million to 1 trillion through the creation of a new 30-year US treasury bond. That money will be used to rebuild our infrastructure. Many Americans will go to work because of this but it will also drive up inflation. The Donald loves to build shit.
The Donald also loves to borrow money and either re-structure the debt or not pay it at all. He will demand a haircut of perhaps 20% of all outstanding US debt. Owners of that debt - pensioners, hedge funds, teachers unions, you name it - will lose their shirts.
The largest foreign owner of US debt, and the first country after Mexico to probably get thoroughly pissed off over The Donald's rhetoric - is China. The Donald will accuse them of manipulating their currency and will tax all of their imports into the US while still demanding that they buy shit from us. China will dump all of our bonds on the open market. Kiss our stock markets goodbye and say hello to worldwide recession, if not depression.
He will tear up NAFTA and the TPP and tax the hell out of American companies that build overseas. Many multinational corporations will tank. Kiss the auto recovery goodbye.
That's all I can think of just on the economy alone.
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Post by scrapngranny on Nov 10, 2016 1:32:03 GMT
I believe there will be world wide unrest. Countries who don't see us favorably will begin to push his buttons to see if he is all talk. North Korea, Somalia, Irac, Iran, and Russia will make things very tense. My guess is Isis will target at least one or more of Trumps buildings, resorts or golf courses. He was so eager to brag about how big bad he is, they will show him what he is dealing with.
Otherwise, I think he will be fairly ineffectual. I don't think he has any idea how things work in Washington. He will repeal Obama care, but if he can come up with anything better remains to be seen. He will be able to get a much more conservative justice on the Supreme Court.
I see him bumbling through the next four years unable to deliver much of anything he promised to the middle class. Business economics and government economics are two very different things.
I dearly hope I'm wrong.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Nov 10, 2016 1:41:46 GMT
The biggest thing he can influence is the Supreme Court. It will likely be more conservative particularly as there are some justices who are as old as Scalia was. I don't wish them any ill will at all but in 4 years time, it's likely there will be more appointments. My biggest concern is his big mouth and what kind of international incident he is going to create. I believe there will be world wide unrest. Countries who don't see us favorably will begin to push his buttons to see if he is all talk. North Korea, Somalia, Irac, Iran, and Russia will make things very tense. My guess is Isis will target at least one or more of Trumps buildings, resorts or golf courses. He was so eager to brag about how big bad he is, they will show him what he is dealing with.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 10, 2016 2:04:31 GMT
My guess is that he and the Republican congress will push through tax cuts for corporations and the rich to the point that we won't be able to pay for anything. All that infrastructure he talks about building isn't going to happen because there won't be any money for it and things will crumble around us. We had a Republican governor who tried that here and the result was a major interstate highway bridge collapsed during rush hour killing 13 people and injuring countless others.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 2:09:58 GMT
The environment. Any protections will be gone because let's face it, putting Trump aside, it's not like Republicans are exactly tree huggers.
Expansion of gun rights.
Defunding of Planned Parenthood.
Repealing of Obamacare. I'm not terribly upset about this because I think it was certainly flawed. I will say that Republicans have had what 7 or 8 years so it better be one hell of a plan. I feel horrible for people with pre-existing conditions who may lose coverage. That is terribly unfair.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 10, 2016 2:13:28 GMT
He will borrow 500 million to 1 trillion through the creation of a new 30-year US treasury bond. That money will be used to rebuild our infrastructure. Many Americans will go to work because of this but it will also drive up inflation. The Donald loves to build shit. The Donald also loves to borrow money and either re-structure the debt or not pay it at all. He will demand a haircut of perhaps 20% of all outstanding US debt. Owners of that debt - pensioners, hedge funds, teachers unions, you name it - will lose their shirts. The largest foreign owner of US debt, and the first country after Mexico to probably get thoroughly pissed off over The Donald's rhetoric - is China. The Donald will accuse them of manipulating their currency and will tax all of their imports into the US while still demanding that they buy shit from us. China will dump all of our bonds on the open market. Kiss our stock markets goodbye and say hello to worldwide recession, if not depression. He will tear up NAFTA and the TPP and tax the hell out of American companies that build overseas. Many multinational corporations will tank. Kiss the auto recovery goodbye. That's all I can think of just on the economy alone. There are times when I am happy that I don't understand anything about financial markets. This is one of them, lol, cause you're freaking me out and I didn't understand half of what you said.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 10, 2016 2:21:13 GMT
I also will be shocked if we don't see an uptick in radical islamist attacks in the US This was a warning I heard (not an official warning) that was completely independent of who won and based solely on it being a moment of opportunity as the leadership changes hands. I expect people to be just as surprised at how well Trump handles the office as they were at how well he won the presidency.
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Post by tracyarts on Nov 10, 2016 2:25:41 GMT
Things like building the wall? Hard for me to say because I don't know what the congress and senate think about it. Trump can't do it without money and Mexico isn't going to pay for it no matter what he has claimed. There is little chance of ground ever being broken on "The Wall" project. It would have to be built past the flood plain of the Rio Grande and a lot of that is privately owned ranch land or national park land. Just the acquisition of the land would be tied up in the courts for years. And then there are the issues of designing and funding it. It would be a massive project that costs billions of dollars. Not to mention the fact that construction would take place in very isolated and inhospitable terrain where people die from dehydration and exposure. Just the logistics of getting workers, equipment, and materials out there would be a nightmare. Could it be done? Sure. Is it realistic? No.
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Post by mzza111 on Nov 10, 2016 2:29:18 GMT
He will borrow 500 million to 1 trillion through the creation of a new 30-year US treasury bond. That money will be used to rebuild our infrastructure. Many Americans will go to work because of this but it will also drive up inflation. The Donald loves to build shit. The Donald also loves to borrow money and either re-structure the debt or not pay it at all. He will demand a haircut of perhaps 20% of all outstanding US debt. Owners of that debt - pensioners, hedge funds, teachers unions, you name it - will lose their shirts. The largest foreign owner of US debt, and the first country after Mexico to probably get thoroughly pissed off over The Donald's rhetoric - is China. The Donald will accuse them of manipulating their currency and will tax all of their imports into the US while still demanding that they buy shit from us. China will dump all of our bonds on the open market. Kiss our stock markets goodbye and say hello to worldwide recession, if not depression. He will tear up NAFTA and the TPP and tax the hell out of American companies that build overseas. Many multinational corporations will tank. Kiss the auto recovery goodbye. That's all I can think of just on the economy alone. I can't wait for white America living in the Midwest red states to lose everything they've worked for. For me, that will be justice for them voting in this con.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 10, 2016 2:33:31 GMT
I worry about putting an oil CEO in charge of the national parks. and I worry about my disabled child will be able to continue to get good healthcare through medicaid. and ssi really needs to be raised. she won't get enough to rent a share of a room in our town.. I was hoping that hillary would make life better for the disabled. trump won't. I worry about lgbt rights and abortion rights. the plight of the poor and hunger would get worse.
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Post by lisae on Nov 10, 2016 2:39:33 GMT
Things like building the wall? Hard for me to say because I don't know what the congress and senate think about it. Trump can't do it without money and Mexico isn't going to pay for it no matter what he has claimed. There is little chance of ground ever being broken on "The Wall" project. It would have to be built past the flood plain of the Rio Grande and a lot of that is privately owned ranch land or national park land. Just the acquisition of the land would be tied up in the courts for years. And then there are the issues of designing and funding it. It would be a massive project that costs billions of dollars. Not to mention the fact that construction would take place in very isolated and inhospitable terrain where people die from dehydration and exposure. Just the logistics of getting workers, equipment, and materials out there would be a nightmare. Could it be done? Sure. Is it realistic? No. Why did our lazy media never do a story on this to show how unrealistic his plan was? I know nothing of this area of the country. I knew it would be expensive but I didn't understand why.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 10, 2016 2:41:03 GMT
there were stories on how the wall couldn't be built. maybe some channels didn't run those stories as it did not fit their narratives. part of it would have to be on tribal land..and that tribe is never giving permission.
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Post by AllieC on Nov 10, 2016 2:48:34 GMT
Much of the world did not expect this result, but if you look at at overseas media (I'll talk about ours as that's what I have been listening to), the reaction is actually more muted than I thought it could be It's definitely NOT 'muted' here. The Aussie media are definitely shocked, I think it's safe to say that very few people expected this, and they are being very vocal in their thoughts. As expected our Prime Minister is trying to play it all down and is saying our allegiance with the USA will continue as before, but if Trump gets into a trade war with China as he keeps saying and our trade is impacted, I suspect that may not remain as firm as it once was.
A former senator said last night "It's clear that America has turned it's back on responsible global leadership" ETA: that's the biggest short term impact as I see it, how America is currently viewed by the rest of the world. We are looking at you in disbelief and I think (and it may be in the short term) we've lost some respect for you.
I've also heard "A narcissist with impulse control issues"
Some expressions of concern that if Trump withdraws his support from Korea and Japan, that they may feel they need to protect themselves against Nth Korea and therefore will arm themselves with nuclear weapons...and *if* that were to play out, then we'd all be fucked.
The prevailing sentiment here is shock, we can't believe Americans really elected this man - it was all anyone was talking about at work this morning and all of it negative, lots of nervous "jokes" about world war 3 etc.
I've found it very interesting that the reaction from Australia has been bigger than any Australian election I can remember - I'm 50 so I've seen a few. People at work were glued to the results and my FB blew up in disbelief. Nothing muted here at all.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2016 2:50:20 GMT
There is little chance of ground ever being broken on "The Wall" project. It would have to be built past the flood plain of the Rio Grande and a lot of that is privately owned ranch land or national park land. Just the acquisition of the land would be tied up in the courts for years. And then there are the issues of designing and funding it. It would be a massive project that costs billions of dollars. Not to mention the fact that construction would take place in very isolated and inhospitable terrain where people die from dehydration and exposure. Just the logistics of getting workers, equipment, and materials out there would be a nightmare. Could it be done? Sure. Is it realistic? No. Why did our lazy media never do a story on this to show how unrealistic his plan was? I know nothing of this area of the country. I knew it would be expensive but I didn't understand why. I posted some pictures several months ago from our trip to Big Bend National Park (the views from which this wall would utterly ruin) to show the impossibility of just throwing up wall in this part of the world. Beside being remote, isolated and inhospitable, a good chunk of it is very mountainous. I wouldn't think this is a big secret to anyone who looks at a map?
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Post by llinin on Nov 10, 2016 3:06:49 GMT
I can't wait for white America living in the Midwest red states to lose everything they've worked for. For me, that will be justice for them voting in this con. That is partly what is wrong with America. I did not vote for Bush, but I always hoped our country would prosper under him, all of us. I did not vote for Obama, but I have never hoped bad things would happen to his supporters. Talk about being inclusive. You are part of the divisiveness. I have seen this sentiment repeatedly and it disgusts me. Unity apparently only applies when you think you are going to win, but went out the window with the quickness when you lost. Got it.
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