julieb
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Post by julieb on Nov 18, 2016 2:35:51 GMT
We received a notification from our car rental that we (actually dh was driving) received a traffic ticket in while in Italy last month. It was the on the first day we were there, but it doesn't state what the infraction was. We were not able to pay our first toll, but we did go to the villa management company and we had them pay it online, 6 days after getting the "ticket". I just went on that website and it is showing that is is paid. I'm assuming it is for speeding. So two questions - If you have received a traffic ticket in Italy, how did you go about paying it. I'm assuming we will get the ticket in the mail since the car rental place gave them our information, for which they are charging us Euro 45,00. Looking online - a speeding ticket could be anywhere between Euro 50,00, for minimal over the limit (1-8 km over) and then it jumps to Euro 165, 00. So this could be a $250.00 ticket with the exchange rate and car rental fee. My other question is this - we were with another couple and split the cost of the car rental. We put the other male on as a driver and he never drove. Very irritating that he never wanted to drive and we paid $125 extra for him to be on the car. I'm thinking I will just casually mention the ticket to them and if they offer to pay half, I'll take them up on it. I know that if he was driving and received the ticket, we would pay half, especially if he had driven the entire time.  Would you mention it? |
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Post by Anita on Nov 18, 2016 2:38:56 GMT
If he never drove, he couldn't have caused a speeding ticket, so I wouldn't expect him to pay half. I would expect him to refund the money you spent to add him as another driver since he didn't use it, though.
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Post by Zee on Nov 18, 2016 2:41:09 GMT
No, I would not expect someone who never drove to pay half a speeding ticket.
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Post by melanell on Nov 18, 2016 2:46:15 GMT
I wouldn't expect them to pay for half the ticket. Like Anita said, if you want to bring up anything in hopes of some sort of compensation, I'd definitely go with that extra driver fee. |
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Post by FurryP on Nov 18, 2016 2:48:23 GMT
I agree. Completely unreasonable to have someone pay for half of something they did not cause.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 18, 2016 2:49:19 GMT
Nope, it's not the guys fault for the speeding ticket. You guys are just going to have to pay it.
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Post by annabella on Nov 18, 2016 2:57:25 GMT
Your husband's careless driving is not the financial obligation of the other passengers, they are only required to split the cost of the car rental. If it cost 125 for other passengers to share the ride then you split that cost evenly,
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 18, 2016 3:07:57 GMT
Where were you in Italy? It is more likely that you drove into a ZTL zone and didn't realize it. I had read about it before hand so was watching carefully, but the other couple we were touring with drove into one. They are generated automatically if you drive into a zone without the correct pass. Friends of ours were circling a block looking for a parking spot and generated 6 tickets as it automatically dings you every time you drive into the zone.
ETA it's not obvious that it's a restricted zone as the local drivers are entering as they have the correct pass.
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Post by jamielynn on Nov 18, 2016 4:04:38 GMT
Never in a million years would I accept payment from a passenger when I got a ticket. I definitely wouldn't even bring it up.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 18, 2016 4:16:42 GMT
Never in a million years would I accept payment from a passenger when I got a ticket. I definitely wouldn't even bring it up. This is the exact response I was thinking as I read the OP. |
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Post by Really Red on Nov 18, 2016 4:24:46 GMT
I disagree. This is not a normal situation. Here in the US - or anywhere where you are used to driving - I would agree with the other Peas that I would accept 100% responsibility for a ticket, but OP was in a foreign country with someone who REFUSED to drive. That would piss me off. I'd love to be a passenger, too! And not being familiar with rules/regulations of a country, I can see where you may get a ticket. OP doesn't know what it's for. If I were the passenger I'd offer to split it in these specific circumstances.
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 18, 2016 4:41:04 GMT
I wouldn't expect any payment for the ticket, but I would absolutely bring up the fee paid for him to be an extra driver. Well, depending on a few details, such as if he knew it cost extra, the reasons he didn't drive, etc.
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Post by manda on Nov 18, 2016 5:17:09 GMT
I'm sorry about the ticket but agree with others that the one driving is responsible for it. sometimes the car rental place will pay the ticket and then charge the credit card for on file. Did you ask them?
As for the additional driver fee. It's smart to have a second approved driver whether they drive or not. If you already split the rental cost, I don't think you should ask them to cover the extra driver fee in full. Consider it the overall cost of the car rental cost and let it go if it wasn't discussed up previously.
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Post by kristi on Nov 18, 2016 5:57:13 GMT
Your husband got the ticket, you pay (not the passengers ).
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Post by vjlau on Nov 18, 2016 6:55:49 GMT
Nope, the other driver shouldn't pay. The driver is always responsible for any tickets IMHO.
I do agree that paying extra for another driver is annoying. If he had previously agreed to drive, and then backed out, technically he should pay. If you just paid for him assuming he'd drive, then I'd say no.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 18, 2016 7:03:47 GMT
No, the other driver did not commit the offence so why the heck should he pay.
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Post by gar on Nov 18, 2016 8:02:45 GMT
The other 'driver' should not pay half the speeding fine, at all.
The other bit - did he ask to be on the insurance or did you just do it, assuming he'd share the driving? Did he refuse or just not offer? Was it talked about while you were there?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 9:12:24 GMT
I wouldn't expect the other driver to pay for it either, he wasn't driving so he didn't commit an offence. Was this notice sent to you from the car hire company? If so e-mail them and ask what the actual violation was and check if they've paid in on your behalf. You might find that it's already been charged to your CC. I would guess it's more likely for entering a Limited Traffic Area as per Darcy Collins post. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:19:34 GMT
You said you "assume it is for speeding". Wait until you see what the charge is. If the charge is for missing the toll and you can provide proof of payment then your rental car company will/should refund their fees. As for the Italian courts dismissing the fine - that's a shot in the dark.
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Post by malibou on Nov 18, 2016 15:38:45 GMT
I would wait to find out more details first.
If you did drive into a restricted area, and it is that easy to inadvertently do, I might in a joking way bring it up as part of the navigator's job.
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 18, 2016 15:42:40 GMT
did he refuse to drive?
or was he hesitant?
maybe he was uncomfortable driving...and i sure don't want someone driving me that is uncomfortable
who decided to pay the $125 extra driver fee
that is the only thing i'd question - if at all
i probably wouldn't mention $62.50 to a friend
just not worth quibbling over
gina
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Post by mom on Nov 18, 2016 15:51:47 GMT
Ok, I am not following why you think you should mention it.
Your DH was the driver and therefore, in control of how fast your car was going. Why should the other couple pay half?
The only instance that a non-driver should perhaps pony up the cost is if the passenger was in labor and about to have a kid in the middle of the street. And then I would be gracious about it all and just pay it myself.
So, baring no childbirth emergency, this ticket is on you and only you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 16:02:44 GMT
I disagree. This is not a normal situation. Here in the US - or anywhere where you are used to driving - I would agree with the other Peas that I would accept 100% responsibility for a ticket, but OP was in a foreign country with someone who REFUSED to drive. That would piss me off. I'd love to be a passenger, too! And not being familiar with rules/regulations of a country, I can see where you may get a ticket. OP doesn't know what it's for. If I were the passenger I'd offer to split it in these specific circumstances. You wouldn't research the rules/regulations of a country you were visiting knowing you were going to be driving there? As the driver you are in control of the car it's up to you to know what you are doing. If you're speeding that's all on you. |
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Post by julieb on Nov 18, 2016 19:53:55 GMT
I would wait to find out more details first. If you did drive into a restricted area, and it is that easy to inadvertently do, I might in a joking way bring it up as part of the navigator's job. J Not sure what ticket is for, but the other dh was in the passenger seat. Where were you in Italy? It is more likely that you drove into a ZTL zone and didn't realize it. I had read about it before hand so was watching carefully, but the other couple we were touring with drove into one. They are generated automatically if you drive into a zone without the correct pass. Friends of ours were circling a block looking for a parking spot and generated 6 tickets as it automatically dings you every time you drive into the zone. ETA it's not obvious that it's a restricted zone as the local drivers are entering as they have the correct pass. We were all over the place in Tuscany after leaving Venice Airport. We were never in a large city with the car. I'm going to look up ZTL zone.  I disagree. This is not a normal situation. Here in the US - or anywhere where you are used to driving - I would agree with the other Peas that I would accept 100% responsibility for a ticket, but OP was in a foreign country with someone who REFUSED to drive. That would piss me off. I'd love to be a passenger, too! And not being familiar with rules/regulations of a country, I can see where you may get a ticket. OP doesn't know what it's for. If I were the passenger I'd offer to split it in these specific circumstances. Other dh never offered to drive. Said he liked being a passenger/navigator and that my dh was doing such a great job driving, so he didn't need to. We already split the $125 and original car rental fee, which I didn't have a problem with until he never drove. We actually drove and dropped them off in Siena for a tour because he didn't want to drive there. I was pissed about that. I stand corrected on the fact that he never drove - I just remembered he drove 2 miles - from our villa to town. You said you "assume it is for speeding". Wait until you see what the charge is. If the charge is for missing the toll and you can provide proof of payment then your rental car company will/should refund their fees. As for the Italian courts dismissing the fine - that's a shot in the dark. I did call the car rental agency. She said to send proof that we paid the toll ticket to her and she will at least see if she can get the fee waived. She said it could take up to a year for us to see the actual ticket, so this way we will at least have the fee back from the rental car company. You wouldn't research the rules/regulations of a country you were visiting knowing you were going to be driving there? As the driver you are in control of the car it's up to you to know what you are doing. If you're speeding that's all on you. We did look up all the signs, etc. before we left and dh was very careful with his speed. It will be interesting to see what it is. I'm not sure the "police authorities" are connected in any way to the toll system, but we got the toll ticket on Oct. 8 and the "ticket" notification to the car rental was Oct. 12 and we paid it on Oct. 14. did he refuse to drive? or was he hesitant? maybe he was uncomfortable driving...and i sure don't want someone driving me that is uncomfortable who decided to pay the $125 extra driver fee that is the only thing i'd question - if at all i probably wouldn't mention $62.50 to a friend just not worth quibbling over gina He wanted to be put on and anytime we mentioned driving he just said "J is doing such a good job, blah, blah, blah". We had already decided to split extra driver when we thought he would be driving half the time. I'm okay with the $62.50, just irritated that it could have been him with the ticket if he had been driving. And I definitely would offer to pay for half, especially if my dh didn't take the risk of driving in a foreign country. But that's me. |
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Post by ginacivey on Nov 18, 2016 20:00:07 GMT
so, i think you are saying
if the friend has split the driving then maybe your husband wouldn't have gotten the ticket?
and you still don't know how much the ticket is...or what it's for
it doesn't seem like it should be difficult to find out.....
gina
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Post by melodyesch on Nov 18, 2016 20:05:12 GMT
I think your beef about him not driving is a good one. Did he agree to be a driver ahead of time and then refuse after you all retrieved the car? If that's the case, your DH should have handled it at the time, by handing him the keys and insisting. You just don't see as much when you're the driver and it wasn't fair to your DH, but if he didn't insist, then I don't think there is anything you can do about it after the fact.
I'm afraid, however, that the ticket is on your DH. When one drives the car, one assumes the responsibility for that car. UNLESS, the other DH was navigating and navigated him into a restricted zone. Then yes, it should be split. But you may actually harm the friendship over it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 18, 2016 20:10:06 GMT
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Post by julieb on Nov 19, 2016 0:45:27 GMT
so, i think you are saying if the friend has split the driving then maybe your husband wouldn't have gotten the ticket? and you still don't know how much the ticket is...or what it's for it doesn't seem like it should be difficult to find out..... gina I called car rental. They have no idea what ticket was for and she said it could take up to a year for us to get the ticket! Crazy. |
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