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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:14:34 GMT
WaPo articleopinion piece I love the analysis of political elections. No matter who wins, I find it intersting. Another article illustrating why voters turned Wisconsin red. NYT article
I think finding out why voters voted the way they did is important. Or why they chose not to vote.
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Post by scrapsotime on Nov 21, 2016 17:18:56 GMT
I think both parties are imploding for various reason, some of them not dissimilar. The pendulum has sung to far on both sides and needs to return to center.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 21, 2016 17:19:44 GMT
I was surprised Trump won. After the election, and *some* of the responses from the left I understood why he won.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:23:15 GMT
I think both parties are imploding for various reason, some of them not dissimilar. The pendulum has sung to far on both sides and needs to return to center. I couldn't agree more. It's dangerous for anyone to try and blame one side and listening to pundits who do that is really unwise. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:27:17 GMT
WaPo articleI love the analysis of political elections. No matter who wins, I find it intersting. Another article illustrating why voters turned Wisconsin red. NYT article
I think finding out why voters voted the way they did is important. Or why they chose not to vote. The WaPo link is an opinion piece. That's a very different thing than an article. The piece linked from msn makes some valid points. Save |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:27:25 GMT
Could be. But I think it's interesting how far off the polls were - not until the exit polls started coming out did we "hear" that the outcome may not be as expected. Leading me to believe that the political leaders are out of touch with their constituents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:29:37 GMT
I am fully aware it's an opinion piece. We are still allowed to discuss those, right?  oh, mea culpa, I will change the link title so as not to offend or mislead. |
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Post by cade387 on Nov 21, 2016 17:30:56 GMT
I am fully aware it's an opinion piece. We are still allowed to discuss those, right? Yes, but I think the point is that you called it an article in your post.... it is technically not an article - it is an Op Ed Piece. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 21, 2016 17:34:54 GMT
Could be. But I think it's interesting how far off the polls were - not until the exit polls started coming out did we "hear" that the outcome may not be as expected. Leading me to believe that the political leaders are out of touch with their constituents. Of course they are out of touch. While I identified with one side more, neither one truly spoke to vast swath of middle of the road electorate that trends toward fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. The middle got totally left out by political leaders swinging too far one way. Then again, this could just be my perception and no one really believes there is a middle moderate anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:37:00 GMT
Could be. But I think it's interesting how far off the polls were - not until the exit polls started coming out did we "hear" that the outcome may not be as expected. Leading me to believe that the political leaders are out of touch with their constituents.I do think the media (and especially televised media) has been completely irresponsible with their reliance on polls. They're always so damned anxious to call something or be the first to report something-anything, that they're just completely worthless at this point. WRT to the part I bolded, I completely agree with you. Both parties have some serious cleaning up to do since so much of America was unhappy with both choices. Power corrupts. In elected positions and in political parties. That's why I'll always support term limits. If they're ok for the Presidency, they're ok for Congress. I think our only hope is to get more involved, and use our votes to demand accountability from our elected representatives and the political parties. If all of us little people keep pushing back, they've got listen at some point. Save |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 17:38:10 GMT
I am fully aware it's an opinion piece. We are still allowed to discuss those, right? oh, mea culpa, I will change the link title so as not to offend or mislead. No need for the snark. Accuracy is important. I actually agreed with many of the things you've said in this thread. Save |
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Post by melissa on Nov 22, 2016 16:32:02 GMT
The pendulum has sung to far on both sides and needs to return to center. I agree 10000000000000x over. I have been saying the same thing long before this election. The primaries made this so crystal clear with pretty much every Republican candidate and then with Bernie Sanders on the Democratic side. Hillary Clinton is not as far left as Bernie Sanders, but still left of what I think mainstream America prefers. While I identified with one side more, neither one truly spoke to vast swath of middle of the road electorate that trends toward fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. The middle got totally left out by political leaders swinging too far one way. This! The moderate middle is completely left out of politics on the national level. So much so that I think we need a true third party for us! I have said in the past that I didn't know whether I was a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican which is why I've never registered with a political party. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 22, 2016 18:16:24 GMT
You know, I live in a perma-red county at the tip of Appalachia and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of being told (by coastal elites writing election analysis op-eds nonetheless) that I'm less American or out of touch with "real" America because of things like that I listen to musical theater or believe in science or don't spend my Friday nights at the Lions' demo derby in town. The cultural condescension seems to cut both ways these days. I'm also increasingly puzzled by the seeming infantilization of "middle America" in these post-election analysis pieces, on both sides, as though the every man is just some poor soul lacking self-determination, without access to education or factual information who just needs to be understood and validated and given dignity by those smart alecks living in the big city.
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Post by ahiller on Nov 22, 2016 19:17:38 GMT
You know, I live in a perma-red county at the tip of Appalachia and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of being told (by coastal elites writing election analysis op-eds nonetheless) that I'm less American or out of touch with "real" America because of things like that I listen to musical theater or believe in science or don't spend my Friday nights at the Lions' demo derby in town. The cultural condescension seems to cut both ways these days. I'm also increasingly puzzled by the seeming infantilization of "middle America" in these post-election analysis pieces, on both sides, as though the every man is just some poor soul lacking self-determination, without access to education or factual information who just needs to be understood and validated and given dignity by those smart alecks living in the big city. Preach, girl, preach! I live in the Midwest. I am neither coastal nor elite. I am getting sick and damn tired of being told that believing in climate change, education and rights for everyone makes me a snob. I don't think every Republican is a redneck hillbilly any more than I think every Democrat is BMW driving, Starbucks guzzling brat. Both sides are being pitted against each other for ratings and it sucks. |
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Post by tincin on Nov 22, 2016 19:24:23 GMT
Could be. But I think it's interesting how far off the polls were - not until the exit polls started coming out did we "hear" that the outcome may not be as expected. Leading me to believe that the political leaders are out of touch with their constituents. I believe the polls were so far off because so many of his supporters were ashamed to admit they were voting for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 19:28:17 GMT
Could be. But I think it's interesting how far off the polls were - not until the exit polls started coming out did we "hear" that the outcome may not be as expected. Leading me to believe that the political leaders are out of touch with their constituents. I believe the polls were so far off because so many of his supporters were ashamed to admit they were voting for him. And I think it was because middle america was ignored. Many have also stated here they would not publicly support DT as they would be verbally attacked. Same in the real world. |
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Post by tincin on Nov 22, 2016 19:32:27 GMT
I believe the polls were so far off because so many of his supporters were ashamed to admit they were voting for him. And I think it was because middle america was ignored. Many have also stated here they would not publicly support DT as they would be verbally attacked. Same in the real world. And yet they were fine with his attacking women (both physically and verbally), people of color, LBGTQ people, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. Kind of ironic. |
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Post by jenis40 on Nov 22, 2016 19:33:37 GMT
My husband and I are both liberal and could be described as the middle America demographic. I am college educated but my husband is not. He is a truck driver. We were both raised in rural Montana on farms and ranches. We don't go to the theater, symphony or drive luxury vehicles. We have have hunted and fished and all our relatives do too. Three of DH's brothers are LEO. My brother and father work in the timber industry.
Although probably half of our family members voted for Trump or Johnson, the other half are liberals who voted for Hillary. I feel we are pretty representative of the middle class. Just like Trump ran a dog whistle campaign the pundits are doing the same thing by constantly implying Trump voters are stupid.
I don't understand when education became a bad thing in this country either. Time to stop labeling and start listening.
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