flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 21, 2016 20:05:53 GMT
I've really hesitated to start this post, but I feel like it's important to highlight some things about this guy, especially since he's admitted to doing the very things that Clinton has been raked over the coals for - and he did it ON PURPOSE. Of course, there are other things about him that are somewhat concerning, as well.
Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 21, 2016 21:37:21 GMT
Flynn says he had permission to share the classified information. In both cases, sources say the retired general was informally reprimanded but never charged with wrongdoing. That's pretty much all I need to know about his mishandling of classified information right there. He was investigated, no charges were brought.
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 21, 2016 22:10:03 GMT
Flynn says he had permission to share the classified information. In both cases, sources say the retired general was informally reprimanded but never charged with wrongdoing. That's pretty much all I need to know about his mishandling of classified information right there. He was investigated, no charges were brought. Fair point, but he speaks very sternly about Mrs. Clinton and her e-mails (first couple of sentences of the quoted part of the article). No charges were brought against her, either. The fact that he received a reprimand in both cases makes me question his claim that he had permission to share the information. In my mind, there's a difference between being careless with technology, and intentionally sharing classified information with other countries.
Seems hypocritical to me, is all.
Just to clarify - I didn't post the topic because I was looking for a fight. I posted it because I felt it was relevant, just as others have posted about other subjects that have come up since the election. The political threads here lately have been quite a bit calmer, hopefully that can continue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 22:13:15 GMT
It seems to me this one part of the article should raise all kind of red flags....
" In separate incident the two officials with whom CNN spoke said Flynn did not follow established security procedures when he shared classified intelligence with allies."
"The investigation on me was for sharing intelligences with the Brits and Australians in combat and I'm proud of that one, Flynn told the paper, that was substantiated because I actually did it".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 22:13:48 GMT
He concerns me. And he's a hypocrite, for sure. At this point, I have to pace myself and pick my hills. Sessions and Bannon concern me more, along with Trump's unethical behaviors WRT to his business interests, and the nepotism that has already run rampant through both his elected role and business role.
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 21, 2016 22:19:08 GMT
It seems to me this one part of the article should raise all kind of red flags.... " In separate incident the two officials with whom CNN spoke said Flynn did not follow established security procedures when he shared classified intelligence with allies." "The investigation on me was for sharing intelligences with the Brits and Australians in combat and I'm proud of that one, Flynn told the paper, that was substantiated because I actually did it". This is what bothered me, as well. He not only did it intentionally, he's proud of it. Proud of not following established security procedures. And he's going to be our National Security Advisor. What's he going to advise?
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 21, 2016 22:26:39 GMT
Fair point, but he speaks very sternly about Mrs. Clinton and her e-mails (first couple of sentences of the quoted part of the article). No charges were brought against her, either. With great respect, the difference between what this general did and what Hillary is apples and oranges. I would contend that charges should have been brought against Hillary (no surprise there, I'm sure, lol). I don't know enough about this general's two situations that warranted a reprimand instead of charges but I would guess that it wasn't as bad or problematic as the media attempted to make out. The fact that he received a reprimand in both cases makes me question his claim that he had permission to share the information. In my mind, there's a difference between being careless with technology, and intentionally sharing classified information with other countries. Hillary was far more than "careless". Her email set up was purposefully constructed for personal convenience, without permission from the State Department and 100% against policy at that time. I wonder what the conditions were that this general thought it was a good idea to share classified info with another country. Your source states "he shared classified information with Pakistan on terror networks responsible for killing American troops" which he seems to have vigorously denied, whereas he admitted to sharing classified information with our trusted Allies (Brits and Aussies). In my mind, that is a FAR lessor breach than Hillary's email system - we still have yet to see the full ramifications of her actions there.
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 21, 2016 22:31:52 GMT
Fair point, but he speaks very sternly about Mrs. Clinton and her e-mails (first couple of sentences of the quoted part of the article). No charges were brought against her, either. With great respect, the difference between what this general did and what Hillary is apples and oranges. I would contend that charges should have been brought against Hillary (no surprise there, I'm sure, lol). I don't know enough about this general's two situations that warranted a reprimand instead of charges but I would guess that it wasn't as bad or problematic as the media attempted to make out. The fact that he received a reprimand in both cases makes me question his claim that he had permission to share the information. In my mind, there's a difference between being careless with technology, and intentionally sharing classified information with other countries. Hillary was far more than "careless". Her email set up was purposefully constructed for personal convenience, without permission from the State Department and 100% against policy at that time. I wonder what the conditions were that this general thought it was a good idea to share classified info with another country. Your source states "he shared classified information with Pakistan on terror networks responsible for killing American troops" which he seems to have vigorously denied, whereas he admittedly admitted to sharing classified information with our trusted Allies (Brits and Aussies). In my mind, that is a FAR lessor breach than Hillary's email system - we still have yet to see the full ramifications of her actions there. We will have to agree to having differing opinions (I feel just as strongly in mine as you do in yours), and I'm ok with/respect that. I suppose we'll never really know the ramifications of either one. And probably never know the true story of them both, either.
I don't drink but will share a virtual one with you
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 21, 2016 23:03:12 GMT
We will have to agree to having differing opinions (I feel just as strongly in mine as you do in yours), and I'm ok with/respect that. I suppose we'll never really know the ramifications of either one. And probably never know the true story of them both, either.
I don't drink but will share a virtual one with you Having different opinions is the spice of life and it makes everything a lot more textured and colorful. I love it. Cheers, friend!
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 22, 2016 5:52:43 GMT
We will have to agree to having differing opinions (I feel just as strongly in mine as you do in yours), and I'm ok with/respect that. I suppose we'll never really know the ramifications of either one. And probably never know the true story of them both, either.
I don't drink but will share a virtual one with you Having different opinions is the spice of life and it makes everything a lot more textured and colorful. I love it. Cheers, friend! WHOA!! Literally a breath of fresh air, the way you two handled a disagreement between you. Or maybe more than a breath, can we dare hope for the winds of change?
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Post by gryroagain on Nov 22, 2016 8:50:23 GMT
DH is not a fan, having worked for him when he was head of an agency. He feels Gen Flynn was too hyper focused on the middle east to the exclusion of intelligence priorities in the rest of the world. He also feels he is too politically motivated for a military officer or head of an intelligence agency.
I had no idea about any classified material mishandlings, DH never mentioned that as a reason to not want him in the job. Probably because he doesn't feel it's relevant, just as he thought Secretary Clinton's were not.
Myself I have no thoughts, but I trust DHs opinion as the expert in the house.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Nov 22, 2016 8:58:50 GMT
DH is not a fan, having worked for him when he was head of an agency. He feels Gen Flynn was too hyper focused on the middle east to the exclusion of intelligence priorities in the rest of the world. He also feels he is too politically motivated for a military officer or head of an intelligence agency. I had no idea about any classified material mishandlings, DH never mentioned that as a reason to not want him in the job. Probably because he doesn't feel it's relevant, just as he thought Secretary Clinton's were not. Myself I have no thoughts, but I trust DHs opinion as the expert in the house. Thanks for chiming in- I always prefer info from a trusted source like a fellow Pea to the media, for example. Particularly in the current political cycle.
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 22, 2016 12:45:03 GMT
DH is not a fan, having worked for him when he was head of an agency. He feels Gen Flynn was too hyper focused on the middle east to the exclusion of intelligence priorities in the rest of the world. He also feels he is too politically motivated for a military officer or head of an intelligence agency. I had no idea about any classified material mishandlings, DH never mentioned that as a reason to not want him in the job. Probably because he doesn't feel it's relevant, just as he thought Secretary Clinton's were not. Myself I have no thoughts, but I trust DHs opinion as the expert in the house. Thanks for chiming in- I always prefer info from a trusted source like a fellow Pea to the media, for example. Particularly in the current political cycle. I agree. Thank you for the insight.
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Post by peano on Nov 22, 2016 16:02:10 GMT
Oh, FFS! I never remember seeing this article bandied about here, but I think it is revealing about what has and probably still is going on at the State Department.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 22, 2016 19:15:15 GMT
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Post by gardengoddess on Nov 22, 2016 19:21:56 GMT
He's a disgusting short sighted war monger and there is nothing about this man that isn't scary, besides the fact that he's a little too cozy with Putin for my taste.
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Post by Kymberlee on Nov 23, 2016 8:16:32 GMT
Disgusting? Why disgusting and why shortsighted? I like the choice. My DH has also worked with the man and thinks very highly of him and his abilities as does quite a few of his colleagues in the MI community. His area of expertise is the Middle East so I guess that would explain the hyper focus on ME issues.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 23, 2016 11:40:47 GMT
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