casii
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Post by casii on Nov 22, 2016 19:44:44 GMT
And which media outlets that were previously respected need to have their feet held to the fire of truth?
Despite all the talk about click-bait journalism, it seems like most on my social media feeds continue to share questionable news source links and cite them as fact.
I want to financially support the ones who are doing the homework.
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melissa
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Post by melissa on Nov 22, 2016 19:53:25 GMT
Good question.
I'm thinking anything from PBS is reliable.
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Post by scrappyesq on Nov 22, 2016 20:15:14 GMT
I would love to hear this answer. For me it used to be "The New York Times" but they were so wrong this time that I can't trust them.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 22, 2016 20:18:44 GMT
PBS and BBC.. and New York times...
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 22, 2016 20:21:27 GMT
I personally like NPR public radio... they do stories in-depth, and not just 10-30 second sound bites.
I particularly like the 30-min shows Marketplace, about the day's business news, and the BBC World News from England, because I like hearing coverage of world events (including those here in the US) from the perspective of OUTSIDE the US.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Nov 22, 2016 20:24:11 GMT
NPR, PBS, BBC
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 22, 2016 22:22:12 GMT
Christian Science Monitor, The Guardian, The Independent (both UK papers) BBC
I feel like I get a somewhat balanced view if I read the NYTime and the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal..
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Post by peagia13 on Nov 22, 2016 22:31:56 GMT
D) None of the above.
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Post by craftykitten on Nov 22, 2016 22:54:53 GMT
They all have a 'spin', even the BBC. Try and get news from several sources.
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Post by colleen on Nov 22, 2016 22:55:07 GMT
Copied and pasted for your information: False, Misleading, Clickbait-y, and/or Satirical “News” Sources Some of contents of this educational resource/google document, specifically the list of potential false, misleading, clickbait-y, and/or satirical news sources, have been removed in order for it to be transferred to and expanded on in a more permanent, dynamic, and collaborative home. This page will reflect updates as they become available. Tips for analyzing news sources: Avoid websites that end in “lo” ex: Newslo. These sites take pieces of accurate information and then packaging that information with other false or misleading “facts” (sometimes for the purposes of satire or comedy). Watch out for websites that end in “.com.co” as they are often fake versions of real news sources Watch out if known/reputable news sites are not also reporting on the story. Sometimes lack of coverage is the result of corporate media bias and other factors, but there should typically be more than one source reporting on a topic or event. Odd domain names generally equal odd and rarely truthful news. Lack of author attribution may, but not always, signify that the news story is suspect and requires verification. Some news organizations are also letting bloggers post under the banner of particular news brands; however, many of these posts do not go through the same editing process (ex: BuzzFeed Community Posts, Kinja blogs, Forbes blogs). Check the “About Us” tab on websites or look up the website on Snopes or Wikipedia for more information about the source. Bad web design and use of ALL CAPS can also be a sign that the source you’re looking at should be verified and/or read in conjunction with other sources. If the story makes you REALLY ANGRY it’s probably a good idea to keep reading about the topic via other sources to make sure the story you read wasn’t purposefully trying to make you angry (with potentially misleading or false information) in order to generate shares and ad revenue. If the website you’re reading encourages you to DOX individuals, it’s unlikely to be a legitimate source of news. It’s always best to read multiple sources of information to get a variety of viewpoints and media frames. Some sources not yet included in this list (although their practices at times may qualify them for addition), such as The Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, and Fox News, vacillate between providing important, legitimate, problematic, and/or hyperbolic news coverage, requiring readers and viewers to verify and contextualize information with other sources. Bio: I am an assistant professor of communication & media, and this list started as a resource for my students, who are learning about journalism/social media/media literacy. Update 1: I’ve received hundreds of emails with suggestions, very few of which are duplicates, so it will take me a while to sift through and verify them. I will add them as appropriate. (EDIT 11/15/2016 @ 3:42 EST: I have a list of sources, suggested by all of you, that will take me a long time to get through) Update 2: Yes, I am considering further coding/categorizing these sources for clarity and creating a more durable/dynamic database. This is likely just step 1. Update 3: Some people are asking which news sources I trust, and all I can say is that I read/watch/listen very widely, from mainstream, corporate owned sources (The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes) as well as The Atlantic, National Public Radio, and various local and alternative sources with different political perspectives, some of which are included on this list. The problem: Even typically reliable sources, whether mainstream or alternative, corporate or nonprofit, rely on particular media frames to report stories and select stories based on different notions of newsworthiness. The best thing to do in our contemporary media environment is to read/watch/listen widely and often, and to be critical of the sources we share and engage with on social media. Update 4: A group of AWESOME librarians will be working with this list to provide more detail, examples of the news articles in question, etc. I will post what they make here when it is complete. Update 5: It should be noted I’m not the first person to call out some of these websites. When I first started compiling this specific large list on Monday, some friends alerted me to many websites doing similar and great work, such as Ed Brayton’s recent post at Patheos (I included many of the websites on his list after checking them myself if I was unfamiliar). I plan on providing more links to outside resources in the near future. © 2016 by Melissa Zimdars. The work 'False, Misleading, Clickbait-y, and Satirical “News” Sources' is made available under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. To view a copy of this license, visit creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:07:55 GMT
From MediaBias/FactCheck site: Some of these are new to me and some I don't agree with (ex: Wikipedia, mainly because they can't fact check as fast as people can edit/change the pages) I know that people will take issue with some of the sites on this list, but sites that rank bias and fact-checking are hard to find, so if someone's got a better source, please share it Reuters and AP are my top trusted for US news. I moderately to mostly trust the NYT and WaPo even though they rank as slightly left-leaning. The sites I have the biggest problems with are the ones that rank far/extreme on one side or the other, and an awful lot of people out there are taking the word of bullshit sites like Breitbart, InfoWars, and so many others. I'm sure there are extreme left leaning sites out there, but I don't know what they are. All I can say is that I hope people who are relying on all these pundit driven media sources wake up ASAP and learn to start fact checking and critically evaluating ANY media source.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:09:37 GMT
Oh, I forgot to say that I think CNN qualifies as a formerly respected source that needs to have their feet held to a raging and huge fire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:10:33 GMT
Like her update #3! "The best thing to do in our contemporary media environment is to read/watch/listen widely and often, and to be critical of the sources we share and engage with on social media. "
I know after the last election that FoxNews was very skewed (they were absolutely convinced of a Romney win such that I had much the same disbelief when he didn't win!) Too many people aren't thinking for themselves, just sharing articles that someone else has written....
Honestly for the last 4-6 weeks I turned off much of the "news". Even if true, the constant barrage was just too much for me to personally handle. I just had to go "dry". We dropped DirecTV and most news stations. I have been so much happier/more content. I am pretty much still avoiding most "news"....
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Post by grammadee on Nov 22, 2016 23:11:09 GMT
I would love to hear this answer. For me it used to be "The New York Times" but they were so wrong this time that I can't trust them. Wondering what you mean by this? There is a difference between predictions of what MIGHT happen (like polls) and reporting on what HAS happened. They got the polls wrong. Do you have examples of how they got the news reporting wrong? I agree with craftykitten that all media outlets have a "spin", and that is why it is important to get information from more than one source. It's also important to look at what is being presented as "fact" and what is being presented as opinion. The reputable networks and newspapers are very clear on which is which. Many of the on-line-only sites don't seem to distinguish between the two.
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Post by scrappyesq on Nov 23, 2016 2:06:43 GMT
I would love to hear this answer. For me it used to be "The New York Times" but they were so wrong this time that I can't trust them. Wondering what you mean by this? There is a difference between predictions of what MIGHT happen (like polls) and reporting on what HAS happened. They got the polls wrong. Do you have examples of how they got the news reporting wrong? I agree with craftykitten that all media outlets have a "spin", and that is why it is important to get information from more than one source. It's also important to look at what is being presented as "fact" and what is being presented as opinion. The reputable networks and newspapers are very clear on which is which. Many of the on-line-only sites don't seem to distinguish between the two. I should have been specific since I didn't differentiate in my OP. They were wrong about the polls, never said they were wrong about the news. Sorry if I was vague. Their spin and outlook during the entire election season was annoying at the least and completely wrong by the end. I want a news source that is strictly news without editorializing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 2:23:29 GMT
I was really disappointed in fivethirtyeight getting it so wrong, but it's looking more and more like people were not giving true answers to pollsters.
I think as a nation, we've gotten way too reliant on polls, and been way too trusting in how accurate polls are in the first place. IMO, the media as a whole has been irresponsible with the obsession on polling numbers. It's time to move away from all the speculative and first to report or call attitude, and focus more coverage on facts and actual issues.
disclaimer-I'm not saying never use or mention polls. Just use them as one thing to report and stop all the obsessive coverage of poll numbers.
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Post by txdancermom on Nov 23, 2016 2:25:25 GMT
I think that more "traditional" news sources - NY Times, Washington Post, PBS, BBC are more trustworthy in my mind. If I see something that sounds outlandish, I will check multiple sources to see what is going on.
Do I think those sources get it all right - no - that is why I choose to get my news from multiple sources.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 23, 2016 2:33:10 GMT
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 23, 2016 2:37:03 GMT
I was really disappointed in fivethirtyeight getting it so wrong, but it's looking more and more like people were not giving true answers to pollsters. I think as a nation, we've gotten way too reliant on polls, and been way too trusting in how accurate polls are in the first place. IMO, the media as a whole has been irresponsible with the obsession on polling numbers. It's time to move away from all the speculative and first to report or call attitude, and focus more coverage on facts and actual issues. disclaimer-I'm not saying never use or mention polls. Just use them as one thing to report and stop all the obsessive coverage of poll numbers. How did so many polls get it so wrong, including the exit polls??
I have read a few data analysts who are questioning the results in a couple of the swing state. The margin of victory is exactly the same in each swing state. It is very interesting. That isn't how data works and some of the analysts would like to audit the results.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 2:43:04 GMT
I was really disappointed in fivethirtyeight getting it so wrong, but it's looking more and more like people were not giving true answers to pollsters. I think as a nation, we've gotten way too reliant on polls, and been way too trusting in how accurate polls are in the first place. IMO, the media as a whole has been irresponsible with the obsession on polling numbers. It's time to move away from all the speculative and first to report or call attitude, and focus more coverage on facts and actual issues. disclaimer-I'm not saying never use or mention polls. Just use them as one thing to report and stop all the obsessive coverage of poll numbers. How did so many polls get it so wrong, including the exit polls??
I have read a few data analysts who are questioning the results in a couple of the swing state. The margin of victory is exactly the same in each swing state. It is very interesting. That isn't how data works and some of the analysts would like to audit the results.
I think this is a very valid concern. I've heard that calls for a complete audit have started from multiple groups or sides or whatever. A thorough audit seems like a good idea at this point. Accuracy and truthfulness are always important, especially with elections like this one. I agree that this isn't how data usually works. I thought 538 had the best way of compiling lots of varied polling data, and was surprised that so many polls and poll watchers got it so wrong. Save
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 23, 2016 3:06:42 GMT
I like when there is some discussion from several viewpoints on news shows, but I think it has gotten to be a little much. You can't have a true discussion because one one or more of the people have a clear agenda (trump surrogates, I'm looking at you). On CNN the democratic pundits seem to vary quite a bit but they have the same trump supporters every time and their spin is just too much. They can never say a critical word about him and appear to be paid directly by Trump.
Overall, I would like more real news from Around the world and within the US and less commentary and opinion.
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Post by megop on Nov 23, 2016 3:09:24 GMT
I had to work with NPR regarding a story in 2015 and 16. I'll never believe their "unbiased" persona ever, ever again based on that experience. It was quite disappointing and the political agenda was quite, quite clear from the get go.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Nov 23, 2016 3:14:38 GMT
My dad a news junkie likes the National Post and The Globe and Mail. He reads as many newspapers in a day that one possible could.
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