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Post by lovetodigi on Nov 25, 2016 17:19:02 GMT
Tax payers to pay Trump $3 million + a year to protect him
That does not even cover the cost of actually paying the salaries of the SS or any of their other expenses. It seems like, even though Trump claims that he will accept no salary, his Presidency will be one of the most expensive in history. Sickening. He has already said that there is no conflict of interest for a President, meaning, I am sure, that he will use his time in office to put into place and do whatever he can to pad the bottom line of his businesses at the expense of the lower and middle income citizens. The rich are going to get lots of tax breaks (again, padding his bottom line in his businesses) so it will come from the little guy. The next four years are going to be a real nightmare that will take us many, many years to recover from. ETA: I just noticed that the link was to a site that might be frowned upon so here is the same story Fox News Radio
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Post by Nink on Nov 25, 2016 17:38:27 GMT
Or Trump could just let the secret service have the space at no charge for since he insists on staying there.
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Post by lovetodigi on Nov 25, 2016 18:12:10 GMT
Or Trump could just let the secret service have the space at no charge for since he insists on staying there. Yeah, I don't see than happening at all. He even charged the taxpayers for the Secret Service to ride on his plane so they could protect him during his campaign to the tune of almost $3 million. It does not sound like he is going to do anything for free that he can pocket money for, even if it means taking it from taxpayers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 18:33:03 GMT
That was the plan all along. He fully admits it:
I have no doubt that soon he'll be tweeting things like "Anyone crying about my profiteering now just needs to get over it. I WON so deal with it. You knew what you were getting when you voted for me."
I really don't think that he's wishing he hadn't won. He's exactly where he wants to be: in a position to profit enormously before all the legal work (required to put a stop to his using the country as his own personal piggybank) is able to happen
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Post by lindas on Nov 25, 2016 19:10:57 GMT
Does it also bother you that our former presidents are raking in millions of taxpayer dollars a year for office space, postage, employees, etc plus the cost of the Secret Service protection they get when they are all wealthy enough to pay for those things themselves. Biden charged the secret service to rent a cottage on his Delaware property. As for the travel, the SS paid 5.4 million split almost equally between the two candidates for travel while on the campaign trail.
What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses.
The article is assuming that's what it would cost not what they will or will not pay.
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Post by peano on Nov 25, 2016 19:21:42 GMT
Or Trump could just let the secret service have the space at no charge for since he insists on staying there. The last discussion we had about this someone linked an article that said politicians aren't allowed to do this and gave examples of Joe Biden having to charge the (I think) FBI to set up a headquarters in a building on his property and Trump charging the Secret Service for seats on his plane during the campaign.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 25, 2016 19:33:33 GMT
Does it also bother you that our former presidents are raking in millions of taxpayer dollars a year for office space, postage, employees, etc plus the cost of the Secret Service protection they get when they are all wealthy enough to pay for those things themselves. Biden charged the secret service to rent a cottage on his Delaware property. As for the travel, the SS paid 5.4 million split almost equally between the two candidates for travel while on the campaign trail. What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses. The article is assuming that's what it would cost not what they will or will not pay. I really don't have an issue with Trump collecting rent from the Secret Service on a rental property. They have to live somewhere while protecting him. As long as they are paying market price and it's part of a transparent bidding process, I don't care. The issue comes with the expense of securing two residences full-time.
I also fear that he will be exploiting the taxpayers for personal gain much the same way he exploited his the Trump Foundation.
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Post by melissa on Nov 25, 2016 21:05:18 GMT
What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses. I'm sure you've seen the many articles that explain that protecting the Trump family in NYC is costing the city one million days PER DAY. Each and everyday. That's a cost that is reimbursable by the federal government. I read somewhere, perhaps even here, that the Obama's vacations cost a total of 70 million including security costs. Trump will reach that in the first 70 days, without a single vacation. Actually, that cost will be reached before inauguration! If there is the slightest interest in saving the US money, moving the heck out of mid town Manhattan, along with his child and wife, would save a small fortune. Seriously trying to avoid the most liberal media and the most conservative right now (getting tired of both). But this is plain old common sense, something that seems to be lacking at every corner when the president-elect is involved. Still waiting for him to actually read the US Constitution.
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Post by lisae on Nov 25, 2016 22:14:41 GMT
What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses. I'm sure you've seen the many articles that explain that protecting the Trump family in NYC is costing the city one million days PER DAY. Each and everyday. That's a cost that is reimbursable by the federal government. I read somewhere, perhaps even here, that the Obama's vacations cost a total of 70 million including security costs. Trump will reach that in the first 70 days, without a single vacation. Actually, that cost will be reached before inauguration! If there is the slightest interest in saving the US money, moving the heck out of mid town Manhattan, along with his child and wife, would save a small fortune. Seriously trying to avoid the most liberal media and the most conservative right now (getting tired of both). But this is plain old common sense, something that seems to be lacking at every corner when the president-elect is involved. Still waiting for him to actually read the US Constitution. You're going to be waiting awhile on that one I'm afraid. He has only taken the daily intelligence briefings twice since since the election. His predecessors used those briefings to get up to speed on foreign affairs but Trump has declined them most days. Pence sits in on the briefings.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 25, 2016 22:58:21 GMT
Does it also bother you that our former presidents are raking in millions of taxpayer dollars a year for office space, postage, employees, etc plus the cost of the Secret Service protection they get when they are all wealthy enough to pay for those things themselves. Biden charged the secret service to rent a cottage on his Delaware property. As for the travel, the SS paid 5.4 million split almost equally between the two candidates for travel while on the campaign trail. What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses. The article is assuming that's what it would cost not what they will or will not pay. Yes, and all that was complained about. But you keep defending him. We understand. He billed the RNC 4x (four times) the going rate for use of his office, property etc., once he became the last Republican standing. He has said repeatedly that he's going to make $$$ off being president. But you keep defending him. We understand.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 25, 2016 23:02:35 GMT
Does it also bother you that our former presidents are raking in millions of taxpayer dollars a year for office space, postage, employees, etc plus the cost of the Secret Service protection they get when they are all wealthy enough to pay for those things themselves. Biden charged the secret service to rent a cottage on his Delaware property. As for the travel, the SS paid 5.4 million split almost equally between the two candidates for travel while on the campaign trail. What do you think it cost when Obama vacationed in Maine and Hawaii, rent isn't cheap in those areas either plus the SS has to pay their own travel expenses. The article is assuming that's what it would cost not what they will or will not pay. I really don't have an issue with Trump collecting rent from the Secret Service on a rental property. They have to live somewhere while protecting him. As long as they are paying market price and it's part of a transparent bidding process, I don't care. The issue comes with the expense of securing two residences full-time.
I also fear that he will be exploiting the taxpayers for personal gain much the same way he exploited his the Trump Foundation.
Well, there's market price and then there is market price. Have you been in Trump Towers? It's the top of the market price. Is this for his second residence, to protect his wife? SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 23:26:50 GMT
The issue comes with the expense of securing two residences full-time.
I also fear that he will be exploiting the taxpayers for personal gain much the same way he exploited his the Trump Foundation. Exactly. Trump is doing things that no President has ever done. Ever. There is no "but he or she did this" kind of comparison that's valid. New York City (not the Secret Service or all the other fed. entities involved) is incurring costs of $1 million per day to secure Trump Tower. That's just the costs that the city will pass on the federal government. NBC News says this: There are 55 days until the inauguration. That's $110 MILLION in unnecessary, wasteful government spending. There are 186 days left until May 31, 2017 (a date close to the end of most school years). That's $372 MILLION in federal funds just to keep Trump Tower secure supposedly so that Barron Trump won't have to switch schools. What President has EVER done that? That's all in addition to any Presidential vacation or travel costs. This situation is not comparable to anything or any President that has come before. And, we. cannot. afford. it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 25, 2016 23:41:30 GMT
Really? We can't afford it? Seems to me that if we can afford all the social welfare programs, can afford to educate and provide medical care to illegals in this country, can afford grants and aid to any number of foreign countries and governments, then we can afford our President. And if we really cannot.afford.it, then let's get rid of all those other things first. You'd be amazed how much money we'd have if we weren't giving it away like drunken sailors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 0:00:11 GMT
Really? We can't afford it? Seems to me that if we can afford all the social welfare programs, can afford to educate and provide medical care to illegals in this country, can afford grants and aid to any number of foreign countries and governments, then we can afford our President. And if we really cannot.afford.it, then let's get rid of all those other things first. You'd be amazed how much money we'd have if we weren't giving it away like drunken sailors. Really. Even if we cut social welfare programs. Those might need improvements or changes, but they are not the federal budget busters. But even if we did cut them, we still can't afford the completely unnecessary vanity whims of the PEOTUS. We also have 25+BILLION in upcoming costs for the wall to budget. Where's that money going to come from?
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Nov 26, 2016 0:01:23 GMT
Really? We can't afford it? Seems to me that if we can afford all the social welfare programs, can afford to educate and provide medical care to illegals in this country, can afford grants and aid to any number of foreign countries and governments, then we can afford our President. And if we really cannot.afford.it, then let's get rid of all those other things first. You'd be amazed how much money we'd have if we weren't giving it away like drunken sailors. Yeah, i'd pick every damn one of those things over supporting a billionaire's need to have two fully secured residences funded by taxpayers when there are more than satisfactory alternatives. But then again, I just did a tour of a few of our privately funded social services agencies and was reminded once again of the incredible need from many segments of society. Children, domestic abuse survivors, veterans, kids that age out of programs, mentally ill, refugees, just to name a few. All part of the human race. Astonishing work to break the cycle of poverty, for example, so that families actually can transition into tax-paying citizens. Or I guess you'd simply prefer they all go quietly into the night so our President can continue his overwhelming conflicts of interest, line his pockets, move more burden to the middle class, and enrich his cronies. Nice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 0:27:53 GMT
Really? We can't afford it? Seems to me that if we can afford all the social welfare programs, can afford to educate and provide medical care to illegals in this country, can afford grants and aid to any number of foreign countries and governments, then we can afford our President. And if we really cannot.afford.it, then let's get rid of all those other things first. You'd be amazed how much money we'd have if we weren't giving it away like drunken sailors. I meant to ask if you're including Medicare and Social Security in the social welfare category.
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Post by amblet on Nov 26, 2016 0:32:11 GMT
I pick heath and human services a 1000x over supporting a second full time residence for any president. Mr. Trump and family should think about the expenses that they are costing us the tax payer who they said the would be making America great again for. I do not see making sure that one child can attend the same school is anywhere as important as making sure that 1000's of children can have breakfast at school and a quality education, or that health care is available to all at a reasonable price. Yes I know that Obana care is a mess but at least the CHIP plan is worth keeping and expanding.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 26, 2016 0:41:05 GMT
Lives & caring should not fall under "survival of the fittest".
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Post by melissa on Nov 26, 2016 1:15:07 GMT
This is an unnecessary expense. When you become an elected official, you are also a public servant. Notice that the world royalty is not in there. Part of public service, while paid, is a degree of sacrifice. Moving to the White House full time, along with his minor child and wife, would be what someone who was financially prudent would do.
I like to think that those who voted for him did so because of his financial acumen. They believed he was going to stop the wasteful spending, create jobs and help the economy continue on an upward trend.
This "little thing" of not moving to DC full time and keeping his kid and wife at home in midtown Manhattan is the antithesis of "stopping wasteful spending." I suppose it creates work. It also hinders the work of large numbers of people on one of the busiest thoroughfares in the country. Granted everything in and around Trump Tower is high end, but those businesses are also already complaining of a decrease in foot traffic at a time of year when it normally rises.
I am at a loss as to why he believes a president cannot have a conflict of interest. The constitution is pretty darn clear on this issue. A man who was so worried about the second amendment should also be worried about following the actual articles of the constitution as well as the first amendment rights of the press and individuals.
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Post by mallie on Nov 26, 2016 1:35:34 GMT
The only person who ever benefits from making a deal with Don the Con is Don.
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Post by melissa on Nov 26, 2016 1:36:10 GMT
So, is this the real reason he ran? To make more money and influence foreign governments and companies to work with him going forward (such as countries where hotel permits were denied)?
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Post by gardengoddess on Nov 26, 2016 2:49:46 GMT
I think Donald still thinks he's the boss and hasn't got it through this thick effing skull that HE WORKS FOR US NOW. Not the other way around.
Remember also, the Donald likes his time down there in Florida, so really, we're talking about maintaining security in THREE different residences. I highly doubt Donald will be vacationing at Camp David.
Why do I think the Hillary Clinton critics would be HOWLING "FOUL" had she won and she and family decided that since they have already lived there, they want to split their time between the WH and their home in NY and for good measure, they get a place in NYC so we can be closer to our daughter and grandchildren? and then on top of it finding out that they were going to profit it from? That there, would have had heads exploding brain matter all over computers or televisions.
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Post by darkchami on Nov 26, 2016 3:19:47 GMT
Really? We can't afford it? Seems to me that if we can afford all the social welfare programs, can afford to educate and provide medical care to illegals in this country, can afford grants and aid to any number of foreign countries and governments, then we can afford our President. And if we really cannot.afford.it, then let's get rid of all those other things first. You'd be amazed how much money we'd have if we weren't giving it away like drunken sailors. I generally stay out of political arguments. However, I just can't let this one go. The way this post reads just makes my heart sink. I read it as the desire of the PEOTUS to have a second secured residence outweighs the basic needs of the less fortunate. I know I am not unbiased when it comes to social welfare programs. Many of my students rely on these programs to survive. So when you say we can afford to pay for an extra extravagance at the expense of my students' wellbeing, I get a little angry. I'm hoping I am just reading too much into what you wrote. You don't strike me as a cold or uncaring person.
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Post by vspindler on Nov 26, 2016 3:26:12 GMT
I'm sure you've seen the many articles that explain that protecting the Trump family in NYC is costing the city one million days PER DAY. Each and everyday. That's a cost that is reimbursable by the federal government. I read somewhere, perhaps even here, that the Obama's vacations cost a total of 70 million including security costs. Trump will reach that in the first 70 days, without a single vacation. Actually, that cost will be reached before inauguration! If there is the slightest interest in saving the US money, moving the heck out of mid town Manhattan, along with his child and wife, would save a small fortune. Seriously trying to avoid the most liberal media and the most conservative right now (getting tired of both). But this is plain old common sense, something that seems to be lacking at every corner when the president-elect is involved. Still waiting for him to actually read the US Constitution. You're going to be waiting awhile on that one I'm afraid. He has only taken the daily intelligence briefings twice since since the election. His predecessors used those briefings to get up to speed on foreign affairs but Trump has declined them most days. Pence sits in on the briefings. Perhaps someone could tweet it at him, only 140 characters at a time may be enough for him to absorb.
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Post by jayfab on Nov 26, 2016 3:34:10 GMT
So, is this the real reason he ran? To make more money and influence foreign governments and companies to work with him going forward (such as countries where hotel permits were denied)? Yes, I absolutely believe this. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 3:36:12 GMT
We are going to have to get on Congress to pass laws so he doesn't scam us to death and so we never have to deal w/another President trying to scam us to death.
Law proposal #1 re: Presidential Scamming.
The secret service will secure ONE (AND ONLY ONE) FULL TIME RESIDENCE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. Temporary securing of the first family for vacations or separations of the family due to Presidential travels w/o the first family will be covered. But NO PRESIDENT will be secured if maintaining more than ONE full time residence. If they wish to secure more than ONE full time residence, they will pay for their own security or reimburse the government for Secret Service Costs.
I will be writing to my Reps on Monday. I would suggest others who feel similarly, do the same.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 26, 2016 3:38:02 GMT
So, is this the real reason he ran? To make more money and influence foreign governments and companies to work with him going forward (such as countries where hotel permits were denied)? Yes, I absolutely believe this. SaveSaveIn the last few days two stalled Trump projects in foreign countries have miraculously moved forward. I absolutely believe that Trump's influence will be used to bolster his own wealth. He doesn't give a damn about this country.
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Post by melissa on Nov 26, 2016 4:28:24 GMT
We are going to have to get on Congress to pass laws so he doesn't scam us to death and so we never have to deal w/another President trying to scam us to death. Keep in mind that the actual Constitution of the United States of America prohibits him from accepting money from foreign bodies of all sorts- countries, dignitaries, monarchs, etc. His business dealings are with actual countries,etc. For ex, he collects rent from the Bank of China, which is the bank of the Chinese government (not just in name as we have with the Bank of America, which is not the bank of the USA). That's one tiny unconstitutional example. If he does the right thing and truly divests himself of his business dealings and isn't including those actually running those businesses in government dealings (such as Ivanka being present), then it's all irrelevant. However, at this point, there is no evidence that he is preparing to being the complicated process of removing himself from his company's business dealings. In fact, there is direct evidence to the contrary aside from some lip service earlier on.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 26, 2016 4:39:46 GMT
By withholding the $55 million per year we give to Mexico in aid
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 26, 2016 4:40:43 GMT
No, I don't. The elderly paid all their lives into these "insurance" programs. They are not entitlements
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