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Post by gar on Dec 1, 2016 18:37:46 GMT
just reminding people.. autism is not a disease.. to be "cured".. autism is a developmental disability.. a difference in the brain. and other things. Just curious who you think needed reminding?
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Post by Really Red on Dec 1, 2016 18:39:39 GMT
There are NO valid reasons to discuss autism in other people's kids. NONE. It enrages me that this poor kid is caught in the middle. He is going to have a tough enough life just being the President's son.
Hate Trump all you like (and I do), but his underage child is completely off limits.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 1, 2016 18:40:28 GMT
This ranks as reliable as the "Hillary has Parkinson's" rumors.
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Post by Jili on Dec 1, 2016 18:47:08 GMT
However I do wonder if the speculation is true, if this is the real reason why Melania doesn't want to take him out of school mid-year? Personally, and this is total speculation on my part, I wonder if it's an excuse. I have the hunch that Melania is going to spend most of her time holed up in the Trump Tower and that the public will see her only rarely. I wouldn't be surprised if Ivanka will be handling most of the FLOTUS duties. But I have no idea, obviously.
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Post by Linda on Dec 1, 2016 18:49:46 GMT
Not a fan of President-elect Trump but Barron is TEN - he has NO say in who his parents are or what they choose to do. I have a ten year old - and I cringe at the fact that adults, who should know better, are discussing this CHILD and attempting to diagnose him based on very limited public appearances. That's just wrong.
Whether he has special needs or not, he's a CHILD and entitled to be left alone by the press and the internet at large. It's really no one's business if he does or doesn't have autism except his parents, doctors, and teachers.
And as for making him a poster-child for autism if he is affected by it? I don't think that's right either - if an adult wants to be a poster-child/spokesperson for a condition or disease that they have, more power to them but a child deserves privacy, not to have their medical history splashed across the media regardless of what the medical condition is.
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 1, 2016 18:56:09 GMT
This ranks as reliable as the "Hillary has Parkinson's" rumors. I agree. I have intentional tremors, & have been asked more than once if I have Parkinson's. If someone were to see video of me when it's really bad I'd be publicly "diagnosed" too.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 1, 2016 19:05:17 GMT
I think she was way out of line with her speculation of Trumps kid. If he does have it, how is that info any business of the worlds?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 1, 2016 19:07:15 GMT
I get that he was a complete and utter shithead to her but there are some lines you don't cross.
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Post by kernriver on Dec 1, 2016 19:09:53 GMT
I like Rosie, hate Trump but for petes sake, it was 3 a.m. when the video was taken that shes basing her opinion on. The kid was trying not to fall asleep while standing on the stage. Rocking, blinking...anything to keep from falling over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 19:10:18 GMT
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Post by destined2bmom on Dec 1, 2016 19:16:09 GMT
When I saw that Rosie was making assumptions about Barron, I was really embarrassed for her. And I was ticked thinking of all of the Trump family; she went after the 10 year old, who can't defend himself.
I have no no idea about the footage that some guy made that she commented on.
I saw the footage of Barron standing behind the Donald at his acceptance speech around 3 am in the morning. I thought that poor kid being up this late, he looked exhausted. He's only 10 and that was probably a long day and night. Never would I make the leap from watching it, that he is on the spectrum.
And I can tell you from experience, that I would have never moved in the middle of the school year and have my kids start a new school. It's hard enough moving to a new state in the summer and starting a new school at the beginning of the school year. I think whoever in the family made this decision; it is the best decision for Barron.
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Post by houston249 on Dec 1, 2016 19:16:16 GMT
If O'Donnell had permission from Barron Trumps guardians to discuss his medical condition I apoligize for the following.
O'Donnell used a child for gain. She USED him! He is a CHILD, a MINOR! No compensation for his troubles, his image, or his future troubles that could arise from her actions.
Think about it, replace the word autistic with any medical condition would it still be ok? How about a religion, a race, a skin color or a sexual preference. Don't those problems need awareness for their cause?
He is a child. I also want to add that just because someone else did it first doesnt make it ok in anyway shape, form or fashion for her to do this.
I have no respect for her. I find this behavior of using a child, without permission, to further a cause, any cause...repugnant.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Dec 1, 2016 19:32:45 GMT
Ugh, don't like this at all. She was using a kid to get back at Trump and that is wrong. And I'm not a fan of medical speculation, particularly when it is not done with good intent.
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Post by JBeans on Dec 1, 2016 20:03:42 GMT
She isn't the first or only person to write that speculation. It was a pretty popular theory/rumor before she repeated it. ^^^ that. The video she posted was made by someone else, not by her. She said what she did so that if it was true, it might be a great opportunity to raise awareness and to tie in with Melania's anti-bullying campaign to help stop bullying of kids with autism just for being 'different.' (if I recall the article I saw correctly.)
it's not like she was commenting on how ugly he was, or that he looked stupid, or anything like that- while I agree that a candidate's family shouldn't be raked over the coals for stuff like that, this wasn't like that. (And if people didn't write speculation, then no one would read US magazine, or any number of other magazines on the rack at the supermarket.)
It may not have been in 'good taste' for her to say it, but again, she wasn't the first one to do it. And last I looked, we're still free to say what we think, aren't we? (with notable exceptions prohibited by law, of course.)
Oh, give me a break. Given her and Trump's history, bullshit she was being "helpful". Throwing a personal insult as a thinly veiled offer to be helpful is a classic pea tactic. You should be able to call that crap out from a mile away. That is, unless you are pulling the other old pea moves of being disingenuous
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Post by RosieKat on Dec 1, 2016 20:15:08 GMT
I did hear this rumor before, from other sources. I think it's crappy. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but it's not our business unless he and/or his parents choose to make it ours. If he does happen to be on that spectrum, I hope he is getting whatever help he needs. I can understand wanting to leave any kid in school for the remainder of the school year if that's an option - let's face it, Daddy will (hopefully for the nation) be very extra busy those first few months anyway. And Rosie might be fooling herself that this is an altruistic move, but I personally am not convinced.
The kid lives in a museum and lives in a world many of us can't begin to fathom. That world is about to get even more elite and unimaginable. Let's not try to diagnose him from afar with our armchair MDs. (Not saying we are here, but "we" in a bigger sense.)
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Post by littlemama on Dec 1, 2016 20:33:21 GMT
Her comments are unnecessary, but I have seen plenty of threads on this board with someone talking about a behavioral or learning issue their child has and loads of moms with autistic kids chime in that it sounds like autism. The only difference is that she did it publicly about another public figure's child. I am not condoning it, but if she shouldn't do it, no one should!
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 1, 2016 20:53:53 GMT
She shouldn't have done it.
I had actually heard the speculation that Barron might be on the spectrum from a number of people before, however, primarily Trump supporters who speculated in his defense that this might be the reason that the family wasn't moving to DC. I thought that I had seen such speculation here as well, but I may be wrong about that.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Dec 1, 2016 20:56:23 GMT
She isn't the first or only person to write that speculation. It was a pretty popular theory/rumor before she repeated it. It's still wrong. I agree, and I bet myshelly does, too, but it doesn't make her statement any less true. And, yes, it's still wrong to put out there. The idea *has* been bandied about for quite a while. Save
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Post by Mystie on Dec 1, 2016 20:59:24 GMT
Good Lord. I'm not sure which of the two I dislike the most (RO or DT). She had no business commenting on the mental status of anyone else's child. Given her past issues with trump, it comes across every bit as petty and vindictive as everything that comes out of the his foul mouth. I thought they both behaved like children years ago during their first spat and it appears nothing has changed. Frankly, I think they're exactly alike (loud, crass, attention-seeking, self-serving, egotistical, obnoxious, etc.) - that's why they can't stand each other. 100% this.
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Post by maryland on Dec 1, 2016 21:02:36 GMT
I am not a Trump fan at all, and probably agree with Rosie on a lot of issues, but am I am sorry, I really dislike her.
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Post by pb on Dec 1, 2016 21:30:10 GMT
I have heard speculation about this before Rosie's twitter. The child should be completely off limits and Rosie has no class in going this direction.
I am not a Trump supporter but there is one thing I admire about his wife. She seems to me to be a fiercely devoted mother.
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Post by peasapie on Dec 1, 2016 21:33:08 GMT
I'm sad this little boy is being discussed at all. Yesterday there was a video on TMZ about this, and frankly it made me queasy that someone would make such a video. I clicked off pretty quickly. Somewhere I read that Rosie was simply giving a context for what was already being discussed and suggesting people shouldn't make fun of a child with a disability, but whether that is true or not I have no idea. In any case, the best thing for her to have done would have been to say nothing about any child, including her own. She talks too much about things that should remain private.
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 1, 2016 21:40:38 GMT
Her comments are unnecessary, but I have seen plenty of threads on this board with someone talking about a behavioral or learning issue their child has and loads of moms with autistic kids chime in that it sounds like autism. The only difference is that she did it publicly about another public figure's child. I am not condoning it, but if she shouldn't do it, no one should! If/when Melania comes to the board and talks about/asks for advice about Barron's issues, I have no problem with us discussing it with her.
Until then, he should be off limits.
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Post by pierkiss on Dec 1, 2016 21:48:55 GMT
Her comments are unnecessary, but I have seen plenty of threads on this board with someone talking about a behavioral or learning issue their child has and loads of moms with autistic kids chime in that it sounds like autism. The only difference is that she did it publicly about another public figure's child. I am not condoning it, but if she shouldn't do it, no one should! Except the difference is the mom who posts here is asking a group of other moms a question about *her own* kid. Not the kid of another public figure. There is a huge difference.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 1, 2016 21:58:59 GMT
There is no context, no fine line.
There is only one very wide line and she had to take a running leap to get over it.
Even if crazy Donald Trump tweeted that autism is caused by being born to liberal parents, Rosie O'Donnell would still be "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" to do this.
Unbelievably, the fact that she isn't remotely qualified to make this diagnosis is the least of the problems.
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Post by maurchclt on Dec 1, 2016 22:11:22 GMT
I saw this a few days ago and was horrified that Rosie would go there. Kids are off limits. Period.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 1, 2016 22:54:12 GMT
When I saw that Rosie was making assumptions about Barron, I was really embarrassed for her. And I was ticked thinking of all of the Trump family; she went after the 10 year old, who can't defend himself. I have no no idea about the footage that some guy made that she commented on. I saw the footage of Barron standing behind the Donald at his acceptance speech around 3 am in the morning. I thought that poor kid being up this late, he looked exhausted. He's only 10 and that was probably a long day and night. Never would I make the leap from watching it, that he is on the spectrum. And I can tell you from experience, that I would have never moved in the middle of the school year and have my kids start a new school. It's hard enough moving to a new state in the summer and starting a new school at the beginning of the school year. I think whoever in the family made this decision; it is the best decision for Barron. I agree with everyone else who says leave the kid alone. Autistic or not, that is none of my business unless the parents want to make it my business. And I also think it is quite a reach to suggest he has autism based on his behavior/appearance on the campaign trail. However, I have to disagree with the bolded part, and I'm not sure the OP really means that as an absolute statement. Would you (general you, not destined2bmom!) not move your child if it meant going tens of thousands of dollars in debt to stay behind during a move so s/he could finish the school year in order to maintain two residences while your spouse was working elsewhere? Would you forgo a sales contract on your home at full-price just so you could stay in the same location for the next four or five months, or accept the offer and then pay the high cost of temporary housing to remain? Families do this all the time, and to act like it is some extreme hardship to have your kid switch schools is ridiculous when you have to weigh it against the high cost of remaining in place for an extended time while maintaining two households. The length of time and the cost of the move vs. the hardship on the parents and the cost of staying behind have to be weighed against each other. The shorter the time period, the less expensive it is and the more likely that I would make the choice to stay with my kid. I've been in a situation where my husband was transferred and needed to start his new job in January. We chose to move our daughter mid-year in fourth grade because (a) we had a near-full-price offer on our house, (2) temporary housing was going to be ridiculously expensive, and we could not find a reasonable lease for the 5 months we needed for her to finish the school year, and (3) we felt that she would have an easier time making the transition and friends during the school year when she was getting attention from her peers as the "new kid" than she would have if she moved at the beginning of summer after sports team practices had already started and when there were few other organized activities to meet other kids in our neighborhood. It worked well for us. Our most recent move was at the end of a school year, and our kids only needed about 3 weeks to finish the school year plus another 3 weeks of summer to finish up sports activities. We had a contract on our house, but we were able to finish all the school/sport stuff before we had to move. I had no problem staying behind while DH lived in our new house (we put in an offer and were able to rent it before the purchase was final). Looking at the cost/benefit analysis for Barron Trump, it's not going to cost the Trumps much to keep him in school because the $1-2 million per day that it is expected to cost to maintain a residence in NY is being paid primarily by the taxpayers. I guess it is a no-brainer for them to keep him there. It is a pretty crappy and entitled attitude, though, to expect the taxpayers to pick up the cost. I wonder if they would have been so willing to do it if they had to pay the full price of the decision.
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Post by PaperAngel on Dec 1, 2016 23:11:21 GMT
[Warning: attempted humor] Healthcare in this country is worse than I thought if the über wealthy are receiving medical care from a tv personality/comedian.
Making an unsubstantiated observation of a minor's health/disability & posting it on social media knowing it will reach thousands appears malicious, especially from a person with an adversarial relationship with the parent. While only the poster knows her intent, it was clearly a poor decision.
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Post by Linda on Dec 1, 2016 23:14:49 GMT
Her comments are unnecessary, but I have seen plenty of threads on this board with someone talking about a behavioral or learning issue their child has and loads of moms with autistic kids chime in that it sounds like autism. The only difference is that she did it publicly about another public figure's child. I am not condoning it, but if she shouldn't do it, no one should! If/when Melania comes to the board and talks about/asks for advice about Barron's issues, I have no problem with us discussing it with her.
Until then, he should be off limits.
exactly - I think there's a clear difference between a parent discussing/asking for advise and other parents chiming in and a public figure PUBLICLY discussing someone else's child without permission
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Post by frenchie on Dec 1, 2016 23:15:06 GMT
I do understand about taking the opportunity to raise awareness. But again...that is for the Trumps to decide to do if it turns out Barron indeed has autism. Not for anyone else to use Barron as the poster child. ITA with this! Why didn't Rosie use her own child to raise awareness? Why bring a child she doesn't even know personally into it? Her lame excuse about concern and awareness are unacceptable. Exactly!!!!
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